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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 25 OCT

10-25-2017   Intel Guru Frank26   Article:  "A new project to provide electronic payment services to local banks"  Quote:  "...while confirming the company portal of Iraq Electronic Financial Services, it is certified according to international standards and instructions of the Central Bank of Iraq, and sets the best global financial practices"   ...logic says that the banks of Iraq are not just connected to the American banks but they are now connected to every bank on this planet earth!!! AMAZING!!!...LOL...guess what's next!!!

10-25-2017   Intel Guru Bruce  
 In Iraq Prime Minister Abadi had made an announcement on Sunday or Saturday...The language in it was very positive about economic reforms moving forward....The idea of the restoration of Iraq.  The belief was that it was what was needed to be said by Prime Minister Abadi to move Iraq forward and release everything in terms of the blessing.   Everything we have heard is very positive where we are right now with all the currencies coming together, and with all countries coming to together in agreement.  With the timing of this coming very close... I can just tell you we really thought we were there even last night. Things happened that didn’t allow it. Those things have been handled and it is moving forward. We are in a great place...

10-25-2017  Guest Guru BobTheTaxMan  Cash in up front only what you need.  Remember, when you cash in your dinar you’ve created a taxable event. So only cash in what you need.  So what do you need?  Well you have debts you’re going to want to pay off…you’re going to have certain expenses…Legal and accounting expenses that are going to be coming up in the future.  Some plans that are going to require some money…so all of those things need to be taken care of.  Only cash in enough to take care of that to meet your immediate needs.  Next, get your house taken care of.  Pay off your mortgage…your cars.  All the debts you have hanging on your shoulders, pay them off.  Is there going to be a taxable event?  Of course there is obviously and you’re going to calculate whatever your taxes are…this is where you also have a conversation with your tax professional.  Because when it comes to fruition they ARE going to listen to you.  Because money always talks…so take care of those things first.​
[NOTE: The above should NOT be considered tax or investment advice.  It is purely informational and the views of this guru.  Speak to your own tax and investment professional at the appropriate time.]

10-25-2017   Intel/Newshound Guru payray   Article Quote:  "Iraq and Saudi Arabia are two major economic powers in the world to acquire the wealth of the two sides, which require a large volume of work that requires the efforts of the private sector in both countries and the region, as well as the evolving global effort to invest in wealth in a way that changes the shape of the economies of the region for the better."   In other words they are saying, "There is money to be made guys... Lets get to it."... 

10-25-2017   Newshound Guru mike   Article:  "Abadi defends role of Iranian-backed paramiltaries at meeting with Tillerson"  Quote:  "In his opening remarks at the meeting with Tillerson, Abadi said Popular Mobilisation "is part of the Iraqi institutions," rejecting accusations that it is acting as an Iranian proxy."    These articles are the reality of Iraq right now, it ain't pretty but it's the facts. Abadi's reluctance to remove the Iranians from Iraq is a huge indicator for who's really in control of Iraq. Tillerson told them to go and Abadi told him to go pound sand. This article is an illustration for why we're still sitting here waiting for Iraq to move towards an open market economy, it's because they do what Iran tells them to do, not the US or EU. Hopefully Iran will allow the Iraqi people to move towards an open market economy and things will change for the dinar, but in the meantime, articles like this help answer the question; "What the hell are these guys waiting for?"

THE BIG CALL NOTES, 25 OCT


THE BIG CALL WITH BRUCE TUESDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2017, INTEL ONLY

TRANSCRIBED BY PINKROSES


Bruce: Welcome Everybody to the Big Call tonight. We are at a point where I have been told to lay low and be quiet. We have heard the language been put to me we are in a highly sensitive area right now. How do we take that? I try to give you what I am getting with no added fluff. I tell you the truth. I never exaggerate I am getting. Tonight is no exception.

Bruce: In Iraq Prime Minister Abadi had made an announcement on Sunday or Saturday that was picked up and recorded. People read about his speech. The language in it was very positive about economic reforms moving forward. The idea of the restoration of Iraq. The belief was that it was what was needed to be said by Prime Minister Abadi to move Iraq forward and release everything in terms of the blessing. That was done.

Bruce: They are still in the midst of their Baghdad International Conference celebration. That started Saturday at 10am Baghdad time with parading of their huge flag. It took 468 people to carry it. It weighed just over a ton. It was taken to a side of the building and two cranes took it, lifted it up and installed it to be on the side of the building. It would fill up most of a football field. That was installed on Saturday. That International aspect of that conference is continuing. They sold booth space to people that wanted to exhibit and sell things. They had tables and provided a phone line, an internet connection, and electricity for 75 dinar. That doesn’t sound a lot until you realize when it compares to the new in country rate of the dinar that we cannot talk about. It turned into real money. It was a reasonable price to pay but it wasn’t cheap to get that.

Bruce: Everything we have heard is very positive where we are right now with all the currencies coming together, and with all countries coming to together in agreement. With the timing of this coming very close and rather sensitive, I am going to really pretty much leave it at that.

Bruce: I am supposed to get a toll free number and be honored to do that. When I do receive it, I will be able to put that number on our websites: thebigcall.net and bigcalluniverse.com. Also I am going to email anybody who wants the toll free number who emailed to them from bigcalluniverse.com. If you haven’t registered, feel free to do that, and we will forward you that number to you in an email blast. We can’t capture that on our website thebigcall.net, but you can go there and see the toll free number on the landing page and get it that way as well. Then you call, set your appointment and ready to go either way.

Bruce: Other than that, I can just tell you we really thought we were there even last night. Things happened that didn’t allow it. Those things have been handled and it is moving forward. We are in a great place for our blessing to come through. Stat tune and see what it is going to look like. The big call is going to take a month or so time off to get some things done. We will get our pod cast together and see how we want to do that and be in touch with you with our new website:bigcalluniverse.com. We have a couple of other sites held to do our Veteran Retreat Network and Rebuild America concept, as well as some other projects. Those are the two big projects though that we were going to do. If you want to help us with them, stay tune to thebigcall.net and at some point that site will go away and then you will have our website: bicalluniverse.com. There we will tell you how to stay in touch with us.

Bruce: Enjoy your experience of your exchange using the Redemption Centers. You do have the PNRs or the Private Negotiable Rates that you can get for about 10 to11 days. Look for the fact we could be getting a lot of interesting pre-disclosures of information coming out even this week. Beware you are in a situation information is going to start coming forward. I think more truth coming forward, and we will get further disclosures about technology, about space travel, etc. that we have wondered about probably start coming out. Be ready for that new paradigm as we move into that.

Bruce: Everybody enjoy the experience of the exchange. Take some time to enjoy it. Don’t rush through it where you don’t appreciate it. Enjoy the time. Be sober minded. Don’t over celebrate things and get crazy. This is serious: keep all your information private to yourself. Don’t start bragging and buying everybody drinks in the bar. This is serious stuff. Keep quiet whether you sign an NDA or not, just realize this is nobody’s business but yours or yours and your family’s. If you have kids or grandkids, keep it as private as you can because you don’t need things leaking out to put you or your family in any jeopardy. Make your changes subtle like buying a new car or moving, etc. just be careful how you do things. Don’t draw attention to yourself. We will have more information with our pod casts about that. We will do interviews and other cool stuff in the future.

Bruce: Enjoy a great night’s sleep, and I am to cut the call. Thank you Big Call Universe for tuning in, and all the bank personnel for your help. Thank you to my team Sue, Bob, Pastor Steven and Kent. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Good night Everybody.

THANK YOU BIG CALL AND BRUCE, HUGSSS

7 DAYS LEFT. THE MAGICAL NUMBER + INTEL

IQD CHAT, 25 OCT

chattels: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 Security In Iraq Oct 15-21, 2017 http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2017/10/security-in-iraq-oct-15-21-2017.html

chattels: As part of Prime Minister Haidar Abadi’s attempt to re-assert federal authority over Kirkuk a large firefight broke out between the Iraqi forces and Peshmerga. That occurred in Altun Kubri when the federal forces advanced and the Kurds were afraid they were marching on Irbil.

 The day’s worth of fighting left 126 dead, 1 civilian, 2 soldiers, 6 Peshmerga, and 118 Hashd, and 157 wounded, 2 journalists, 5 soldiers, and 150 Hashd. Another 111 Peshmerga were killed and 162 wounded in clashes the week before when the government first moved into southern Kirkuk. A Turkmen Front office was also burned in Altun Kubri because of the tensions there. The two sides are still standing off as the Kurds are apprehensive of any moves towards their border.
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chattels: There were clashes between the Kurds and government forces in Ninewa as well. When the Iraqi forces moved to reclaim the Mosul Dam from the Peshmerga there was a short firefight that left 1 Peshmerga and 8 Hashd dead and 4 Kurds injured.

chattels: Turkish operations against the PKK led to two incidents in northern Kurdistan. First, 2 IEDs killed 5 Turkish soldiers. Then a Turkish air strike killed 5 PKK fighters. Ankara is bombing PKK areas nearly every week, but casualties are rarely reported. Turkey also has troops stationed in Kurdistan, but this was a rare incident where some of them were attacked.

Spectra: And the real unfortunate thing is we cannot do a thing to change it .War and disagreements always a sad outcome .

chattels: Significant interview if one has not read it. After the referendum: What next for the Kurdish Region? October 24, 2017 | Q&A with Kirk Sowell

​https://www.iraqincontext.com/single-post/2017/10/24/After-the-referendum-What-next-for-the-Kurdish-Region

larrykn: but in Iraq they have always had tribal problems in fightings between other groups, don't think that will ever change

chattels: Iraqi courts accused of becoming tool to persecute political opponents By Nehro Muhammad http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/25102017

chattels: On Thursday, October 19, 2017, judge Abdulstar Bairaqdar, spokesperson for Iraq’s Judicial High Council said that the Rusafa Investigation Court issued, in accordance with article 226 of Iraq’s penal code, an arrest warrant to Kosrat Rasul Ali for branding Iraqi forces in Kirkuk province as ‘invaders.’

chattels: Article 226 law says that any person who disrespects the national council, government courts, armed forces or any other department of the government, will be sentenced by imprisonment for no more than 7 years or by fining.

chattels: “Kosrat Rasul Ali faces charges of insulting the state.
chattels: So much for free or critical speech in Iraq.

chattels: UNfortunately I have cast my lot with some real scumbags.

Clay: @chattels sounds like another Maliki shia

chattels: @Clay Laban is State of LAw Coalition ( Maliki )

Clay: @chattels found out yesterday my daughter passed the NY Bar on her 1st try so proud of her

chattels: @Clay Congratulations or condolences are in order then :)

Spectra: Iraq may have just turned the corner from chaos to stability theiqdteam.com/1/post/2017/10…

Clay: @chattels lol thanks

Clay: @Spectra We can only hope

Spectra: @Clay blessings to her and your family

Clay: @Spectra ty

chattels: @Spectra Posted that article yesterday if memory serves.

Spectra: @Clay as far as Iraq is concerned I'm not going to let their politics effect me .I have a life aside from them

Clay: @Spectra me too just hopium for the RV

Spectra: @Clay lol if you know what it's out my hands

Clay: @Spectra yep

chattels: OPINION Iraq may have just turned the corner from chaos to stability by Michael Rubin | Oct 24, 2017, 12:01 AM http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iraq-may-have-just-turned-the-corner-from-chaos-to-stability/article/2638367

Spectra: In the words of President Kennedy ..,Mankind must put a end to war before war puts a end to mankind..,

chattels: Replacing ISIS with Shiite militia only means more bloodshed for Iraq By HEVIDAR AHMED http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/25102017

chattels: Leader of Iraqi Kurds Faces Backlash Over Referendum : Last month’s vote on independence for the region led to a rift with Baghdad https://www.wsj.com/articles/leader-of-iraqi-kurds-faces-backlash-over-referendum-1508924454

chattels: To his most-faithful adherents, Mr. Barzani’s insistence on holding the vote was a noble endeavor thwarted by forces that would eventually have moved against the Kurds anyway.

chattels: To critics, however, Mr. Barzani’s decision was a reckless gamble with the fate of his own people.

chattels: Former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq James Jeffrey said the referendum was characteristic of a man with a tendency to roll the dice. “He doesn’t understand that politics is, in the end, the art of compromise and he doesn’t measure the forces against him,” Mr. Jeffrey said.
Tebow: there will always be war

chattels: @Tebow War and rumours of war until the end of time the scripture tells us, eh ?
chattels: Time to work - laterz all.

Hennessy: I barely saw the video of that CNN guy saying the whole Russian thing is bs about 2 days ago, whats going to happen to them now?

Hennessy: Haven't had the chance to follow up on that yet

Spectra: :)

Hennessy: Published on: October 25, 2017 - The Canadian military is reviewing its plan to provide the Kurds with weapons as fighting continues between Kurdish and Iraqi forces. - Canadian special forces have provided training to Kurdish troops and a plan has been developed to supplying them with weapons.

The Department of National Defence has stated that work on the weapons shipment is still proceeding. But sources say the Canadian Forces and the DND are now quietly reviewing whether to proceed with that arms shipment given the situation on the ground. It is also becoming increasingly unlikely that the Iraqis will give approval for Canada to supply the Kurds with weapons, other sources added.

The Canadian government has insisted that the arms shipment – part of a program to support the war against the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, would only be done with approval from the central government in Bagdad. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-military-reviewing-whether-to-provide-weapons-to-kurds

Hennessy: Wed 25 October 2017 - 19:57 - Turkey, Iraq to cooperate in anti-terror fight: TEHRAN, Oct. 25 (MNA) – President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan applauded the Iraqi central government for almost clearing the ISIL from the country, vowing that Turkey is ready for a joint struggle against “all terrorist groups,” including the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

In a statement to the media on Oct. 25 after meeting Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, Erdoğan said Ankara is ready to cooperate with Baghdad in the fight against PKK elements in the Qandil Mountains and the Sinjar region of Iraq, reported Hurriyet Daily. He also said Turkey is ready to give all support to Baghdad as it seeks to reopen a crude oil pipeline from the Kirkuk oilfields to Turkey, through which Iraq stopped sending oil in 2014.

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/128958/Turkey-Iraq-to-cooperate-in-anti-terror-fight

Hennessy: By Tamer El-Ghobashy October 25 at 11:13 AM - BAGHDAD — As Iraqi forces reclaim the last stretches of territory held by the Islamic State, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said he would not allow his country to become an arena for the United States, Iran and Sunni powers to fight out their rivalries.

 “We would like to work with you, both of you,” Abadi said of the United States and Iran. “But please don’t bring your trouble inside Iraq. You can sort it anywhere else.”

Hennessy: To that end, Abadi has traveled to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey in recent days to deliver a message that Iraq is open for business. He is expected to visit Iran later this week. “Iraq is getting stronger, getting unified,” Abadi said during the late Tuesday interview, which took place inside the city’s fortified Green Zone. “I think others, or the interference of others in the affairs of Iraq will become less and less. This is a new-built confidence among Iraqis, the Iraqi national feeling, which our aim is to increase — people’s attachment to their own country.”

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/abadi-iraq-is-not-the-place-for-us-and-iran-to-fight-out-their-rivalry/2017/10/25/72ff9252-b8ca-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.619a7c563fdb

Hennessy: by Joel Gehrke | Oct 25, 2017, 12:20 PM - Lawmakers: US military might need to prevent a 'massacre' of allies in Iraq: Lawmakers: US military might need to prevent a 'massacre' of allies in Iraq. "I think we need to intervene," House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., told the Washington Examiner. "I would want to go in there and do something because we don't want to see a massacre." A senior Democratic lawmaker acknowledged that might be necessary.

 "I agree that we should do something to help the Kurds," New York Rep. Eliot Engel, the top Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, told the Washington Examiner. "We should make sure there is no massacre and I think that if the last resort would be to send troops or safeguards, I think we should consider it."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lawmakers-us-military-might-need-to-prevent-a-massacre-of-allies-in-iraq/article/2638581

Hennessy: "This is spiraling out of control," Rep. Nunes said. "They're [the Kurds] our longest ally there, so I have serious concerns about the stability of the Kurdish area."

Hennessy: October, 25, 2017 - 16:52 - Outgoing Barzani Not to Run for Kurdistan Presidential Elections: Report : In remarks released on Wednesday, MP from KDP Ashwaq al-Jaf said the presidency of Masoud Barzani would end on November 1, the Arabic-language al-Alam news network reported. Barzani has clearly declared that he would not accept another term in office, the Kurdish parliamentarian added.

Barzani has also announced that neither he nor any of his family members will be nominated for the presidential post, he noted. The election of a new president of the Kurdistan Region is under the authority of the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament, Jaf said.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2017/10/25/1556150/outgoing-barzani-not-to-run-for-kurdistan-presidential-elections-report

Duke77: @Hennessy this is a good sign of imminent change in other areas as well. November 1, December 1, or January 1... Who knows? Maybe we will an RV in November 1

Duke77: @Hennessy Outgoing Barzani Not to Run for Kurdistan Presidential Elections: Report : In remarks released on Wednesday, MP from KDP Ashwaq al-Jaf said the presidency of Masoud Barzani would end on November 1
Duke77: At this point, the Kurds shoe throwing in parliament, refusing to show up to vote, Barzani stealing the oil, and refusing to step down at the end of his term... This change is needed. At this point the deadlocked HCL and article 140 may actually move forward now...

Duke77: And hopefully an RV will happen soon

Hennessy: @Duke77 i sure hope so

Doug_W: fingers crossed

blackgold: i'd like to chime in here---Barzani can't steal oil on his own---just saying

Tebow: he's the president sure he can

blackgold: wasn't Saadam the president, look what happen to him, obviously being president doesn't carry much weight

blackgold: unless you have a few crooked nations backing you
Tebow: didn't Saddam steal billions! No one was backing him

blackgold: Maybe but it is his country and it is nothi g compared to the trillions missing in the US
blackgold: that will never be accounted for

Tebow: what trillions missing in the US

blackgold: 911 the biggest gold hiest in the world not to mention Ukrane where a lot of gold is missing
blackgold: Federal reserve

Tebow: facts?

blackgold: illiagal Corp, scimming trillions from US citizens

Tebow: didn't think so

blackgold: google it

blackgold: youtube it, it all there
Tebow: never heard of illiagal corp no such company Google it

blackgold: I live an hour from NY ,I remember the Armoured cars leaving, they even had it on Youtube, funny you can't find them now

blackgold: Federal Reserve

Tebow: armoured cars drive around all over the place daily SO! that's your proof? Funny how you make this **** up!

blackgold: maybe because i can't spell lol

Hennessy: saddam stole billions, alot of the money still havent been recovered, GOI still investigating and finding secreat stashs and bank accounts with saddam's money even today

blackgold: not 24 of them in a row leaving 911
blackgold: @Hennessy what about all the money we were holding that disappeared
blackgold: Held by who??? Surprise the Federal reserve

blackgold: again if Saadam stole anything,none of our business, we can't even run our own country
blackgold: we don't run our own country, we don't even know who is incharge

blackgold: You don't believe me, ask two of the Kennedys
blackgold: throught a medium

Hennessy: @blackgold im not gonna give an opinion on the whole 911 thing and who stole gold and what not in US, because all of it is considered "conspiracy theory", with somewhat sketchy "facts and proofs", im not discrediting anything you say, its just that i dont know enough about it to give any creditable comments or opinions
Clay: @Hennessy Well trump is gonna open the Kennedy assassination files publicly
Clay: @Hennessy should be interesting

Spectra: Black gold your right .
Spectra: Tebow make a like a arrow and ...Fly you don't k ow it all .
Spectra: :)

Hennessy: @Clay yea ive been waiting for them files to be realeased

Spectra: Yes and if you listen to Roger Stone on no wars .Like I did today people will be very surprised when they learn the Truth .Ps ...Roger Stone Worked directly For President Trump on his campaign ...

Spectra: Info wars
Spectra: My cell phone lol
Spectra: Alex jones

Clay: @Hennessy for many years

Spectra: This s going to blow he lid off everything ?

Spectra: One by ne the Dominos are falling
Spectra: And I love it ....
Spectra: Bullseye ...

Hennessy: this is old but some people might like the read - 23 FEB 2016 BY VOLUBRJOTR - Iraqi Dinar For U.S. Citizens Granted By Presidents Bush Obama E.O. 13303 & Iraq’s Coalition Provisional Authority Order 39: Back in 2004, President George W. Bush put a law into effect allowing anyone to invest in the Iraqi currency, known as Dinars.

When the US went to war with Iraq, the Iraqi Dinar, their currency was taken off the World Monetary Exchange until their sovereignty would be given back to the Iraqi’s. - Presidential Order 13303: Allows US Citizens to invest in the new Iraq. Under E.O. 13303 COUPLED WITH The Coalition Provisional Authority Order 39, a US Citizen has the same rights to investments as an Iraqi citizen.

Hennessy: The U.S. Government is the Largest Holder of Iraqi Dinar Outside of Iraq The U.S. Treasury does not officially list the Iraqi dinar as part of the country’s forex reserves. Exactly how many dinars were traded is not mentioned, but it does make reference to “billions of U.S. dollars” traded to Iraq.

Experts speculate the U.S. government received nearly 4 trillion Iraqi dinars at an exchange rate of 4,000 dinar to 1 USD. If this is even close to true — and the UN allows Iraq to revalue their currency up to 1 USD: one Iraqi dinar — the U.S. government would stand to profit in trillions… as would anyone else who speculated on the dinar over the years.

(1) Remember Iraq does NOT have to pump its oil out of the ground to receive “present day” wealth for it. They can simply leave the oil in the ground and write promissory notes aka; ‘derivatives’ against the un-pumped asset.

 Like The U.S., they need only to crank up the digital fractional printing press which is irrespective of the physical ‘supply’ M0 of the IQD. Remember The Bush Administrations Statement About “the war will pay for itself”? It came from Paul Wolfowitz.

https://politicalvelcraft.org/2016/02/23/iraqi-dinar-for-u-s-citizens-granted-by-presidents-bush-obama-e-o-13303-iraqs-coalition-provisional-authority-order-39/
Hennessy: 22:08 25.10.2017 - BAGHDAD (Sputnik) — The Iraqi parliament is demanding to give a clear definition of a "freeze" on the results of Kurdish independence referendum, proposed earlier by Iraqi Kurdistan’s government, Abbas Bayati, an Iraqi lawmaker and State of Law Coalition member, told Sputnik.

According to the lawmaker, the Iraqi parliament had not received any official proposals from the regional authorities yet, adding that he himself had learned about the initiative from media reports.

Hennessy: "Out of three points two require clarification – the issue of freezing results of the referendum is uncertain and unclear for us. What does the freeze mean? Is it a complete renunciation of the referendum, or does it mean that after a certain period of time they will go back to the issue, if they want to? We believe that the referendum is over, it is in the past," Bayati said.

The second issue, which raised concerns of the parliament members, was, in his opinion, the issue of military actions. "We are not conducting a military operation, a war or a battle, it is relocation [of forces]. Relocation should be completed in all the regions beyond the red line of March 2003 – in all regions which used to be under the control of the federal government forces in 2003," Bayati said.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201710251058540357-iraq-demand-freeze-kurds/
​Spectra: @Hennessy good little remnder

Hennessy: @Spectra :yes:

Spectra: @Hennessy Ilike to see the ne about 13303 it reminds me of when I first got not it over 14 years ago

Spectra: @Hennessy like a dice game
Spectra: What number will come up?

Clay: @Spectra gives ya hope

Spectra: @Clay it's my husband who got s in I'll never Yvette up .I know it will happen

Hennessy: 25/10/2017 22:45 - ERBIL — Iraq’s Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi arrived on Wednesday in the Iranian capital of Tehran after concluding trip to Ankara earlier the day. Abadi is expect to hold meetings with top Iranian officials, including country’s President Hassan Rouhani. The case of Kurds and recent military clashes with Peshmerga forces is said to be on Abadi’s agenda in Tehran.

An Iraqi lawmaker previously said that the Iraqi premier will ask Iran to stop any economic and commercial interaction with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) without the acquiescence of Baghdad. However, Kurdish officials at Bashmakh border crossing (between Iran and KRG), said on Tuesday that Iranian counterparts have informed them to prepare for resumption of trade in the international gate.

http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/388243

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October 25, 2017 Mnt Goat News Brief


October 25, 2017 Mnt Goat News Brief

Hi Everyone,

I bring you much news today.

Here we go again. Once more these idiots start a rumor and every other idiot listens to it and decides to piggyback off it. The current rumor is we are in the moment of the RV and it is imminent. Really? How many times must we hear this garbage intel? How many weeks are going to be imminent?

Oh – they say many sources confirmed it. Really? What they forgot to tell you is their sources are just other idiotic so called intel “gurus”. Get it now?

So let me put all this current hype to bed and let it rest. There is NO imminent RV. We are still looking at a very good window between now and early January 2018. Currently there is no indication this is imminent and I can say with assurance - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to indicate it. Yes, there has been some very good news that the process to delete the zeros is moving forward and the financial ministry is working with the CBI to prepare to go international. However, I do not yet get all hyped up and I do not see an immediate need to get all hyped up over this news. Again let me say we are still waiting for the re-educational process to begin. By this process I mean to roll out the education of the newer notes and the transition process and how it will all play out.

Don’t you think this would be a good idea since they have not formally educated the people (the average citizen) on this entire process since the fall of 2015, when at that time they postponed the RV until early 2017 (and then indefinitely postponed it again once 2017 arrived)? Am I missing something here? Does this sound logical to you? Oh – but remember these idiotic intel “gurus” can’t think for themselves they must rely on some hype from idiots in Iraq who don’t know any more than you and I. Just because they are in Iraq means nothing and they make up these stories and hype it up constantly. This too is part of the problem in getting the honest TRUTH.

More news….

So, I noticed on the Oct 23rd TNT conference call someone asked Ray to give a full disclosure and accountability of all the money received from the member donations. Folks this is not an unreasonable request to ask for and should be done anyhow without even being asked to do it, of course you would have to be HONEST to do so….lol…lol…. 

There is nothing wrong with it. The person making this request was made to feel like an idiot on the call for asking and was disrespected. So go back and replay the call from Monday. Listen to how indignant and nasty Ray became when she asked him for this simple bit of information. Yes, this is information that should be make public if this is an honest effort on TNT part to use the money only for the benefit of the members of the forum and the conference call listeners.

I certainly hope this person goes to the authorities and requests a full and thorough investigation of these funds. Seems the cigar smoking guy and his brother have not yet learned their lesson on how to be honest. Maybe a couple more years in the clinker will help them see the light…lol…lol….?

How many times have we heard them say that the site is “the members site”? Is this just rhetoric to serve another purpose to insight the members to donate or are they really sincere and serious? If they are serious then they should have no problem providing this information. . right? Again….just like I told you before, our only conclusion is that these donations are being sifted off the top and pocked and not just going to the effort to keep the site running but for someone’s personal use. Ever wonder why this guy comes on the Q & A every call now and asks for more donations?

So let me explain some simple rules about receiving and managing donations:

Even the Catholic Church under a “religious” not for profit 501 (3) (c) organizational legal structure does not have any legal obligation to tell their parishioners anything about the collections. That’s right, you heard me!

But they do it anyhow. Why? Yes – why do they do it? They do a full disclosure to dispel any suspicion of irregularities and as to where all the money is going. They have NOTHING TO HIDE. They also know that if they don’t do it, they simply will not get anymore donations in the collection box. So the parishioners do have lots of indirect control over the organization …. and it should be this way. Don’t you think? The parish church is there to serve the people not the other way around.

So lets get back to the situation with TNT: 

With all the corruption going around these days and scams with this intel on this investment, this transparency is almost a necessity and I personally would not TRUST anyone, never mind someone who already has a record of proven dishonesty with a very close relative- like a brother.

So let’s ask some very BASIC, basic questions:

Legally in the first place - Does TNT have a legitimate 501 (3)(c) none-profit organization that allows them to receive these donations in the first place?

How much money is actually being collected?

What are the bills?

What happens to any money that is donated but not used to pay the bills?

Do excess donations overflow into paying the next month’s bills?

Are they paying taxes on this money?

Do they report it to the IRS?

Folks these are all questions you should be asking. You are about to be millionaires and this is how you should get used to thinking and behaving. These are the same idiots who keep telling you they are “training” you for the future and to think like millionaires. Really? So are you? Or are they brainwashing you to be saps and to keep filling their pockets with yet more of your money. Yes a very sneeky way of getting from you too - via donations. But are the really legal?

So with Rays nasty response to a simple request for a full transparency only shows us there is some hanky-panky going on. A red flag should be going up in your mind about now.

He threatened to shut down the TNT site if you don’t donate? I say go ahead, so what? Is the intel really worth it anyhow? Are there better sources of information for you? This is all a very arrogant attitude and you should not have to stand for it! But why? Did this person hit a sensitive area?

Lots of questions and I think everyone should be asking them before making any donations to any site, including TNT. I have been saying this all along about TNT and I feel something is just not right about how they collect the donations and why.

Business vs Charity:

It is one thing to pay to subscribe to a forum, this then legally becomes a business and should be registered under statute. They have an obligation then to provide a full disclosure to the government, part of which you be privy to.

It is then another situation to make a “free will” donation. This then becomes a charitable contribution and a legal charity structure should be established for this purpose. You can’t legally just take donations from people without declaring it as INCOME to the IRS without having a legal structure that allows you to do so. If you do then it is considered a GIFT and should be stated that you are gifting and not donating.

But there are many types of charitable organizations. The religious structure is the most legally flexible and secretive. Both types of giving, however I feel to provide the utmost of honesty to the donators should be a goal of any of these organizations.

So the question with TNT is this - Is there a legal obligation to give full transparency in their situation? To find this our the very first question I would be asking is what I listed above – Does TNT have a legitimate 501 (3)(c) non-profit organization that allows them to receive these donations in the first place? If they do not then you are GIFTING your money to them. Gifts then under the IRS rules have lifetime and annual limits.

So these so called TNT donations are probably gifts and not really donations. A reasonable conclusion is Ray (and others) do not want to divulge the amount of money “gifted” because they will soon or have already reached their legal gifting limits and do not want to get exposed and caught by the IRS for tax invasion.

Why is full transparency important? 

This transparency will dispel any form of doubt in anyone’s mind. Ray likes to talk down to someone when he thinks that person knows very little about the situation. This is why I am including this information today for you. So you get the FACTS and don’t let these so called intel “gurus” bully you around and full your mind with their crap.

So again another intel guru playing big shot and acting like a know-it-all. Apparently even Ray does not know much about the subject matter and probably does not even know what mess he got himself into when he volunteered to substitute for Tony on the calls. Maybe he will be visiting his brother in the clinker?

So I recommend everyone to challenge these so called intel “gurus” and get to the bottom of all these money making scams off this RV intel, such as all this gifting and donation stuff I am hearing about.

Folks it is not as simple as Ray outlined it. His answer was a cop out and well rehearsed, should someone ask for this clarity. You should not be satisfied with his answer or any guru who refuses to expose the finances of the site, forum or conference calls, especially when they hide the money under the donation category. This does not get them off the hook…sorry Ray!

The IRS should be alerted of this fraud!

More news….

"The United States must remain in Iraq, because its lack of presence will mean the arrival of Iran," Panetta said during a seminar at the Hudson Institute on counterterrorism. Full article is below.

More news….

Rafidain Bank announced the reopening of its branch in Fallujah after a three-year hiatus.

More news….

Abadi made a speech on Tuesday oct 24th saying that Iraq is ready to take its leading role in the region and the world. Folks- this does not mean they are about to RV. This is not some speech we have been waiting for to trigger the RV. Let’s all stop this nonsense. Can we? Why must we keep going down these rabbit holes that turn out to be nothing over and over again. Let’s not make more out of some of these events than the reality of the situation, please! You must not take an event and just look at the event. Instead you must consider everything going on around the event and what leads up to it. This will give you the entire picture. I know these idiotic so called intel “gurus” can’t do this. But this is not my fault. Instead just stop listening to the hype and start asking more questions when they give you their gobbley- goop for intel.

So once again let me now tell you the truth of what just happened this last week. First of all, we are not waiting for the prime minister Abadi to make some speech to trigger the RV. So let me make this very clear to everyone.

He is the prime minister. When the RV does happens it will be a re-instatement of the currency to the international community and it will coincide nicely with all the international efforts they CBI and Finance ministery has been doing over these last years. Like I keep telling you – look at the re-instatement of the dinar as the “END RESULT” and not the goal in itself. It is not all about some RV. This event is not the highlight, not the goal here. The goal is to get the country to be self-sustaining, productive and prosperous once again. To create an economy and get it going again. Abadi said it to us too. Can you remember what he told the people? He said the goal was to bring the war torn nation “back to its former glory”.

So what happens when the economy is moving once again? They need their currency back online with the rest of the world,….right? So can you see that this re-instatement is the end result not the goal. It is a necessity not a goal.

So this Abadi speech yesterday was nothing more than a summary of his middle eastern tour he just returned from. Get it? Can you see that he just returned from this trip. Why would he not want to tell the people what happened? It was a motivational speech to the other politicians too and to set a direction for the Republic of Iraq. He is a good statesman. He wants to run for reelection in 2018.

Remember also that Iran, Jordan, Kuwait and the Saudi’s want to trade using their own currencies and not have to convert to the US dollar each time they want to do business with Iraq. There have been many discussions time they want to trade with Iraq. We have read all the articles in the news about it. In fact the last article told us these other countries are already trading in this manner and hoped that Iraq would soon join them as trading partners “in this manner”. This is all very good news and puts lots of pressure for Iraq to use this own dinar. But how does Iraq do this? It is much more than just “pushing a button” or as some say “triggering the RV”. It is a very complicated process to change over a hyper-inflationary purposed currency without either stagnating the economy or causing hyper- inflationary situation. Remember they are not lopping the 3 zeros and so it makes it even more tender of a situation to manage. So they move cautiously and slowly. Even Dr. Shabibi told us this process “would take years to implement” and it has taken years. We are about to see the end result.

So here is the full context of what Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi did said in his Tuesday speech, that Iraq is ready to take its leading role in the region and the world, while Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan welcomed the Iraqi vision of the future of the region.

Sorry Frank26, TNT, Beny Wilson and the “Big and Stupid” call you are all washed up and once again full of it.

So here is more of Abadi’s speech-

"Iraq is ready to take its leading role in the region and the world," Abadi said in his weekly press conference, which was followed by al-Marbad, noting that "Iraq has a significant regional impact."

Abadi stressed the need to "witness the people of Iraq and Saudi Arabia gains of rapprochement between the two countries," noting that "Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan welcomed the Iraqi vision on the future of the region."

Abadi announced last Saturday an Iraqi project and vision for the future of the region, explaining that the project is based on development and security rather than differences and wars.

No rumors, No Hype, No Opinions…..just the FACTS!

More news….

UPDATE ON ISIS: 

So we see that ISIS is still in Iraq and not yet all gone. We know this has been laid down as a requirement to go forward with the currency reform t the final stage of the project. So is it important that ISIS be defeated?

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi forces are about to launch an offensive to recapture the last patch of Iraqi territory still in the hands of Islamic State, the military said on Wednesday.

“Your security forces are now coming to liberate you,” said leaflets dropped by the Iraqi air force on the western border region of al-Qaim and Rawa, according to a statement from the Joint Operations Command in Baghdad. 

The militant group also holds parts of the Syrian side of the border, but the area under their control is shrinking as they retreat in the face of two sets of hostile forces - a U.S.-backed, Kurdish-led coalition and Syrian government troops with foreign Shi‘ite militias backed by Iran and Russia.

Articles are below. Due to FACEBOOK limitations my comments are in brackets ( ) throughout the articles. I also separated the articles with asterisks.

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PANETTA: THE UNITED STATES MUST STAY IN IRAQ AND REASON

Former US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that the United States must stay in Iraq, adding that a coalition should be formed and developed in the Middle East, including countries in the region, including Iraq and Israel to counter extremist ideology.

"THE UNITED STATES MUST REMAIN IN IRAQ, BECAUSE ITS LACK OF PRESENCE WILL MEAN THE ARRIVAL OF IRAN," Panetta said during a seminar at the Hudson Institute on counterterrorism.

"When I visited Iraq, all the leaders supported a united Iraq, and they believe that Iraq will only work as one country," Panetta said.

The former US defense secretary said that "the formation and development of a coalition in the Middle East, including countries including Iraq and Israel to contain the preacher and Iran and support for stability," he said.

MP NIAZI MIRAMAR OGLU CALLED ON FRIDAY TO PASS THE LEGISLATION OF THE OIL AND GAS LAW

(more pressure to get this done at the heels of the agreement with Kurdistan to finally this resolved after the referendum vote saga. We also wait for this to get done and this will add credibility that we are on the way closer to the RV. But we must see this first and then check this off our list)

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ANNOUNCED THE EXTENSION OF THE OIL PIPELINE AGREEMENT WITH JORDAN FROM BASRA TO AQABA

(oh – could this be another reason why Abadi went to visit Jordan on his recent middle eastern tour? They plan to pump some serious oil out of Iraq in the near future through Jordan. They also need alternative means to bring the oil to market should the other pipelines get blocked due to regional turmoil such as the Iranian and Turkish pipelines. You always need a plan B…lol…lol….)

Jordanian Prime Minister Hani al-Mulqi discussed with his Iraqi counterpart Haider al-Abadi the extension of the oil pipeline from Basra to Aqaba and lists of goods that will be exempted from customs, official sources said.

"Jordanian Prime Minister Hani al-Mulqi discussed with his Iraqi counterpart Haidar al-Abadi the steps of a pipeline project for oil from the southernmost city of Basra to the southernmost port of Aqaba," the source said, adding that " This strategic project of the two countries. "

On January 9, 2013, Jordan and Iraq signed a framework agreement for the construction of a 1700 km pipeline to transport Iraqi crude oil from Basra to the export ports of Aqaba, at a cost of about $ 18 billion and one million barrels per day.

The pipeline is supposed to transport crude oil from the giant Rumaila field in Basra (545 km south of Baghdad) to export ports in the port of Aqaba (325 km south of Amman).

Iraq, which has the world's third largest oil reserves of 143 billion barrels after Saudi Arabia and Iran, hopes the construction of the pipeline will boost its oil exports and diversify its competitors.

Jordan, which imports 98 percent of its energy needs, hopes the pipeline will meet its crude oil needs of around 100,000 bpd and get 100 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.

The source added that "Al-Mulqi and Abadi also discussed lists of goods that will be exempted from customs duties imposed by Iraq on imports by 30 percent, which the Jordanian side completed preparation for the discussion with the Iraqi technical committees and adoption and start work on the resolution soon."

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Baghdad Mawazine News

The Iraqi newspaper Al-Akhbar reported that Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi is on his way to winning a second term for his chances, pointing out that the project and vision of Iraq for the future of the region, which he promoted his political project by a period of four years following the holding of the next elections in May 2018.

The newspaper said in a report that "three Arab capitals visited Haidar Abadi over the past two days, after the launch of Baghdad (the project and vision of Iraq for the future of the region), began to promote his political project, which will be the approach of work in the second mandate, with the high chances of winning.

She added that Abadi's step confirms that he is trying to stick to the option of moderation and openness to his Arab neighbors while interacting with Iran, which recognizes that the Saudi welcome to Baghdad is only an attempt to undermine its role in Mesopotamia,

"In the past two days, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has landed in three Arab capitals in visits described as" the flash, "his vision of" With the aim of being the next destination in the few days of Turkey and Iran, described by the adviser of the Iranian Supreme Leader for International Affairs, Ali Akbar Velayati, as "fateful."

The newspaper said that "Abadi, before his trip, announced in a televised speech about the" project and vision of Iraq for the future of the region, "which is based on" the basis of development and the extension of security rather than differences and wars.

"The vision is based on five items:

First: extinguishing destructive conflicts and bloodshed, and stopping interventionist policies to fuel conflicts, in parallel with working together to build our interests and economies in an integrative manner, without being isolated from one another.

Second: To establish lasting, deep and stable relations among our peoples, and not to restrict them to the relationship between governments, since the relationship between peoples ensures the stability of relations in the face of political transformations.

Third: Giving young people great hope, through programs that provide job opportunities ...

Fourth: Agreement on a comprehensive development program, in addition to development projects at the national level.

Fifthly, the countries of the region should invest their resources in an optimal manner so that the countries of the region have a voice and influence in decision-making at all levels.

The Iraqi political forces (Abadi's vision) interpret it as a draft of his political project for the next stage, after the military elimination of the preacher, and begin preparations for the upcoming electoral process in May, which is expected to re-assign Abbadi as prime minister for a second term.

According to some of Abadi's close associates, his project is only "the beginning of a new Iraq that will give its development, economic and political vision to a stable region that attracts investment and human development", relying on "real alternatives to conflicts and exporting crises,

Sources point out that "Abadi will rely on his vision to establish common interests and common vision among friends."

The government sources hope that Abadi will be able to present his project based on "justice and equality of opportunity in the same country before it is in the region."

"This project may move Iraq and the region to a new stage of co-existence based on common interests, Benefiting from nearly a decade of terrorist attack on it. " (now if the CIA and the USA can just stop meddling in their affairs and stop trying to manipulate the middle east for their benefit and let the people have some of this prosperity too. I like Abadi ! )

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Their words not mine…..No Rumors, No Hype, No Opinions ,,,,,

Just the FACTS!

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IQD CHAT, 25 OCT

chattels: Musings on Baghdad and Erbil: An Interview with Joel Wing. October 24, 2017 | Q&A with Joel Wing https://www.iraqincontext.com/single-post/2017/10/24/Musings-on-Baghdad-and-Erbil-An-Interview-with-Joel-Wing

chattels: As part of a series of articles on the Kurdish referendum crisis, we invited Joel Wing to discuss the aftermath of the vote. Joel has been writing the blog Musings on Iraq since 2008. Readers familiar with Musings on Iraq will know it as an invaluable resource: Joel has tirelessly documented events in different sectors over thousands of blog entries and scores of interviews.

If something significant has happened in Iraq or been the subject of debate, Joel has probably written about it. Unsurprisingly, he has also been widely quoted in the media.
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​chattels: " The Kurdish Election Commission recently announced that it was suspending presidential and parliamentary elections in Kurdistan that were scheduled for November 2017 because no candidates registered.

Some like Gorran and Barham Salah’s new party are calling for an interim government in the KRG. Unless there is a revolt within the KDP against the Barzanis, which I don’t see happening, Masoud Barzani will likely stay in office for the foreseeable future."

chattels: " Oil exports to generate revenue is another big question. The North Oil Company is back in control of the Avana and Bai Hassan fields in Kirkuk, which are now currently off line. They will have to send their exports through the Kurdish controlled pipeline to Turkey.

Ankara holds the upper hand with the pipeline, so it will have a say as well. That will all have to be worked out, and the oil fields may have to ramp down production when they get back to producing and what is made be diverted to domestic use until a deal is made."

chattels: " A larger set of talks will have to be conducted between Baghdad and Irbil as the latter now holds roughly 50% of the Kurds oil production. The KRG was already in the midst of a financial crisis, and now its economy will be unsustainable.

There is too much uncertainty there to predict how it will all work out, especially if Abadi decides to seize the Khurmala oil field which will take another huge chunk out of the Kurds’ revenue sources."

chattels: oel Wing Retweeted Abdulla Hawez‏ Verified account @abdullahawez 2h2 hours ago I think Iraqi forces attacks on KRG territory is primarily aiming to control KRG oil facilities (Khurmala field) and pipeline (Fish Khabur):

chattels: David M. Witty‏ @DavidMWitty1 11h11 hours ago Iraqi forces aim to take control of Peshmerga controlled Fishkhabor border crossing to cut Kurdish oil pipeline. http://mobp.as/BV4Rj

chattels: David M. Witty‏ @DavidMWitty1 11h11 hours ago Replying to @DavidMWitty1 Conflicting reports of results of fighting between Iraq Forces & Peshmerga in Rabiia, Ninawa province, 40 kilos from Fishkhabor.

chattels: @SajadJiyad Tillerson leaves Iraq, no visit to Erbil, message clear. Abadi goes to Turkey on Wed, several decisions to be made in support of Baghdad 2:11 PM - 23 Oct 2017

chattels: @SajadJiyad Break-up of KRG not in Baghdad's interest, best to restore federal authority on customs, borders, oil, security, revenue ASAP and negotiate

https://twitter.com/SajadJiyad/status/922571199229644801

chattels: Rudaw English‏Verified account @RudawEnglish Oct 23 President @Masoud_Barzani does not deny his term is over and has no plans to re-run for office — @PMBarzani during brief presser.

chattels: Iraq may have just turned the corner from chaos to stability by Michael Rubin | Oct 24, 2017, 12:01 AM http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iraq-may-have-just-turned-the-corner-from-chaos-to-stability/article/2638367

chattels: Sitting in the United States, it's easy to give up on Iraq. Television cameras don't lie. When they capture the aftermath of terrorist bombings, beheadings, or Shiite militiamen carrying banners of Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, it's easy to conclude that Iraq has passed the point of no return.

chattels: Lost in the political debate are the Iraqis themselves.

chattels: " .............. what I heard in my most recent trip, which ended Oct. 20, gave me hope."

chattels: This is why: The trauma of the Islamic State has permanently altered Iraq.

chattels: With broad swaths of Iraq now freed from Islamic State terror, Sunni Arab Iraqis appear to have had three epiphanies.
​chattels: First, they understand the true horror that their Shiite and Kurdish compatriots suffered under Saddam. Most no longer deny or minimize that suffering. They empathize. Second, Sunnis see that the Shiite dominated government in Baghdad and largely Shiite militias are not necessarily adversaries. Indeed, thousands of Iraqi Shiite soldiers and volunteers lost their lives to free Sunni towns and cities.

chattels: And, third, many Iraqi Sunni Arabs have recognized the failures of their own leadership. Sunni political leaders who incited against Baghdad locally and internationally did nothing for the Sunni Arab community in their time of great crisis.

The old guard still makes the rounds of Amman, Jordan; London; and Washington, but those they claim to represent have largely abandoned them. That these failed leaders now demand a delay in Iraq's elections has less to do with allowing displaced persons to return and more to do with preserving their own power since they will likely suffer electoral embarrassment the next time their constituents go to the polls.

chattels: Will nationalism unify Iraqis?

mountainwest74: chattels - agree with your assessment of Iraq. Pretty telling the Prime Minister Office response to Rex Tillerson's request of Iranian militias returning home.

Duke77: I'm very glad Tillerson went there and told Abadi before the world to get them out of Iraq. He may not have appreciated being made to look like an Iranian puppet, but if he wants to win the next election, he had better get them out asap! And RV!

chattels: How America sided with Iran over Iraq's Kurds By Michael Weiss Updated 2:53 PM ET, Tue October 24, 2017 http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/opinions/how-america-sided-with-iran-over-iraqs-kurds-weiss/index.html

Duke77: @chattels Seriously? That's a shocker!

Duke77: @chattels I support Trump no matter what because he's getting things done unlike his predecessor. So if he thinks Iran did something right, so be it. Lol just give us the RV! He's wanting the capital gains tax rate to be 20% retroactive back to January 2017. He is preparing for something apparently....

chattels: Nothing better illustrates the incoherence of America's stance in the Middle East than the fact that it turned out to be on the same side as Major General Qasem Soleimani, who occupies a status within US intelligence circles somewhere between Professor Moriarty and Darth Vader. He and his proxies are believed by US officials to have caused hundreds of American fatalities and injuries on the battlefields of Iraq.

mountainwest74: Duke77 - I would think the Kirkuk Provincial residents cannot differentiate between now Abadi and Maliki. They actually might despise Abadi to a greater degree. Difficult to control sectarian mercenaries.

mountainwest74: chattels - totally agree.

chattels: "We had so much trust in America," a top Kurdish officer told me last week. "We never thought America would accept Iranian proxies using American weapons against their allies."

One of his colleagues put it even more plangently than that: "It might be better if we just join Iran's axis." Such are the paradoxes and unintended consequences of how America wages its never-ending war on terror — by alienating its friends and empowering its enemies — in the name of national security.

chattels: "For America, it's all about counterterrorism and ISIS," said Emma Sky, the British former governorate coordinator of Kirkuk during the US-led occupation of Iraq. "Across the region, ISIS isn't people's number-one enemy. They're more at odds with each other. The US still doesn't understand this."

For the Kurds, the power struggles are as much internal as they are external. The Kirkuk crisis would almost certainly not have happened without two precipitating events which fell within quick succession of each other. The first was a referendum for independence held on September 25.

A symbolic, non-binding plebiscite, and the second since the US toppled Saddam in 2003, it nonetheless drew opposition from every regional and Western government (save Israel's), which argued that the referendum violated the sovereignty and geographical integrity of Iraq -- concepts that hold mythical sway in foreign ministries more than they reflect brute reality in a deeply balkanized Iraq.

chattels: interesting article. Likely over emphasizes the planning and influence of Iranian actors, but portends disturbing trends for Iraq and Syria in the longer term.

chattels: US concerned about Iranian influence but in Iraq at will of Baghdad By Rudaw http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/241020171
chattels: We seem to be really bad at foreign affairs and policy.

chattels: Although Iraq remains in crisis, it has largely defeated the ISIS terrorists who seized much of the country in 2014. Renahan emphasizes, however, that reconciliation is still the end game in Iraq.

In the concluding chapters he explains how the United States can support this process and help resolve the complex problems between the Iraqi government and the independence-minded Kurds, offering hope for the future. The Struggle for Iraq: A View from the Ground Up

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1612348823/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I1ST1NTSTPPQN3&colid=36STPZW5D900H

chattels: After the referendum: What next for the Kurdish Region? October 24, 2017 | Q&A with Kirk Sowell https://www.iraqincontext.com/single-post/2017/10/24/After-the-referendum-What-next-for-the-Kurdish-Region

chattels: " If the election were held now, Abadi would be in very good position. But things can change, and also bear in mind there is a parallel political crisis in Baghdad over the formation of the new electoral commission which could result in elections being delayed. And if that happens, it would be very destabilizing for the country and very unhelpful for Abadi. But that is a separate problem." - Kirk Sowell

chattels: So, we have arguably sacrificed Kurdish friendship for a " wing and a prayer " with Abadi.

mountainwest74: Definitely, a wing and a prayer. Abadi is either delusional, deceitful and/or in a state of denial regarding the popular crowd.
chattels: Mohammed A. Salih‏ @MohammedASalih 7h7 hours ago Mohammed A. Salih Retweeted Heather Nauert This statement is like a kid shouting on the street! Teethless and ineffective!

chattels: Heather Nauert‏Verified account @statedeptspox Follow Follow @statedeptspox On the violence in #Kirkuk region of #Iraq: We want calm, we want dialogue, we don’t want any violent acts by anyone on any side. 12:29 PM - 24 Oct 2017

chattels: When one plays both sides to advance their own interests and agenda then there is little moral or righteous authority.

chattels: Rudaw English‏Verified account @RudawEnglish Following Following @RudawEnglish #BREAKING: US operates in Iraq at request of Iraqi government, aim is to take out ISIS @statedeptspox

chattels: Mohammed A. Salih Retweeted Ali Khedery ‏Verified account @alikhedery 9h9 hours ago Ali Khedery Retweeted Rudaw English To our foes: you out maneuvered us once again. To our friends: you are alone.

chattels: Iran wins either way. With Abadi or with Maliki, Ameri or whomever.

Acerginnala: It may be just my opinion but, I do not think the US let the Kurds down, in fact, I think they saved them from obliteration. No one supported their independence. Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq would have attacked them.

There is no way the US could have protected the Kurds from that blow-back unless we used nuclear weapons. Then there is Russia and China getting involved. We and the world could not open up this can of worms though I believe that there is a time coming that it will open up anyway. Just my opinion.

Hennessy: Gen. McMaster: Iraq must not align with Iran, Kurds must enjoy security By Rudaw 23 minutes ago: WASHINGTON DC—The United States National Security Adviser General McMaster says it is important for America to have a stable Iraq, but one that is not an ally of Iran, adding that the current tensions between Kurds and Iraq must be mediated in a way that would allow the Kurds to enjoy security and prosperity.

Hennessy: “So what we would like to see in Iraq is a stable Iraq that is not aligned with Iran,” General H. R. McMaster said at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies on Thursday. “And what we would like to do is continue to assist the Iraqis to do what the president has told us to work with allies and partners to do.”

Hennessy: http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/241020175

Hennessy: Published: 0748 GMT October 25, 2017 Iran, Turkey, Iraq cooperation foils US sinister plot in ME - Cooperation of Iran, Turkey and Iraq has foiled US sinister plot to create a new crisis in the Middle East, Head of Iran-Vietnam parliamentary friendship group said.

 “Defeat of the terrorist group Daesh made US create a new crisis in the region by supporting Iraqi Kurdistan Region referendum,” Iran’s Senior Member of Parliament Aladdin Boroujerdi said Wednesday in a meeting with Vietnamese Foreign Minister Phạm Bình Minh, IRNA reported.

“US is not honest in fighting terrorism, rather it caused current crises in the region by supporting extremist and Takfiri groups,” Boroujerdi said. He expressed hope for both countries to achieve $2 billion volume of trade exchanges. Meanwhile, Bình Minh called for reinforcing friendly ties with Iran.

“Hanoi spares no effort in realizing the previously set goals by both countries' leaders to promote ties,” he noted. During the meeting both sides discussed regional developments and ways to promote exchanges.

http://iran-daily.com/News/203093.html?catid=3&title=Iran--Turkey--Iraq-cooperation-foils-US-sinister-plot-in-ME

xyz: KRG offers to freeze results of Kurdistan independence referendum http://www.nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=17189 SULAIMANI – The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) offered to freeze the results of the Kurdistan independence referendum held on September 25 and begin talks with the government of Baghdad.

Hennessy: OCT 25 2017, 4:40 AM ET - Kurds Offer to Put Independence on Hold, Warn Crisis Could Destroy Iraq by REUTERS: Kurdish authorities in Iraq offered on Wednesday to put an independence drive on hold, stepping up efforts to resolve a crisis in relations with Baghdad via dialogue rather than military means. But a Iraqi military spokesman suggested an offensive to wrest back Kurdish-held territory would continue regardless.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kurds-offer-put-independence-hold-warn-crisis-could-destroy-iraq-n814071

xyz: The IMF places Iraq fourth in the region as the largest beneficiary of technical assistance economy

https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://www.alghadpress.com/news/-/125184/-

The Middle East Technical Assistance Center (MTC) of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Iraq ranked fourth in the region as the largest recipient of technical assistance and technical advice in the macro-economic and financial management fields.

Hennessy: Wed Oct 25, 2017 09:15AM: Iraqi forces are set to begin operations to liberate the last patch of territory still occupied by Daesh Takfiri terrorists along the country’s western border with Syria, the military says. “Your security forces are now coming to liberate you,” said leaflets dropped by the Iraqi Air Force on the border region of al-Qaim and Rawa, according to a Wednesday statement from the Joint Operations Command in Baghdad.

“God is with us in this last assault on Daesh members,” said the leaflets. “Tell those among your children and relatives who took up a weapon against the state to throw it aside immediately, and to go to any house on top of which a white flag has been raised when the liberation forces enter al-Qaim,” the airdrops noted.

xyz: News of Barzani's resignation from the presidency of the Kurdistan region   LINK

Spectra: ktfa post-The change is likely to oust Barzani on Thursday and inaugurate Saleh instead 25th October, 2017 The Kurdish Change Movement, the dismissal of the outgoing Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani and the inauguration of the President of the Coalition Justice and Democracy, Barham Saleh instead. "Barzani is an illegitimate president and has failed to maintain the unity of the Kurdish people and is not fit to continue in his post," MP Shirin Reza said in a press statement on Wednesday.

She added that "the most prominent figure of the post is the head of the coalition Justice and Democracy Barham Saleh, who has great admissibility in the Kurdish and Arab circles." And pointed out that Barzani demands to resign after his defeat in the province of Kirkuk. "

Spectra: Republicans open investigations against Obama and Clinton Republican deputies announced the opening of two new parliamentary investigations, targeting former President Barack Obama, while the second targeted former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

 "The investigation against Clinton aims to determine the circumstances of the decision of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Ministry of Justice, during the campaign in 2016, not to prosecute the presidential candidate then in the case of using a special electronic account in its official transactions , When she was Secretary of State. "

Spectra: "The investigation against former Democratic President Barack Obama is a decision taken by his administration in 2013, in which it agreed to the sale of the uranium group" Uranium "Canadian Canadian company" Rosatom "Russian in addition to the disclosure of the circumstances of the decision by the Obama administration, On 20% of US uranium stockpiles. " The two investigations come as Republicans and President Donald Trump are under fire for a series of judicial and parliamentary investigations into Russia's intervention in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Spectra: KTFA-Post---US State Department: We will leave Iraq when the government asks us to do so ... and to mobilize part of the Iraqi forces 25th October, 2017

Spectra: The United States is working in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government," US State Department spokeswoman Heather Noiret said. "We are working there, in concert with the Iraqi government and many members of the coalition, for a stinging defeat."

"Our goal is to bring out a da'ash and help with that," Nuerte said when answering a question about the statements of the leader of Asaib al-Haq Qays al-Khazali. So I think we will leave the country when the Iraqi government tells us it no longer wants to help us. "  
​Spectra: "We are watching the situation very carefully and closely in Iraq," Noiret said of the dispute between the federal government in Baghdad and the KRG. We continue to stress our desire for dialogue, "We want calm. We want dialogue. We do not want any violence by any party against the other side. "

Spectra: "We certainly call for calm from all sides. We talk about it a lot. We expressed our deep concern about the referendum before it was held, and this concern is that it is keeping Iraq away from the unified Government. This remains a concern for us and is reflected in some of the actions we are seeing in Iraq now ".

Spectra: Haider Al-Abadi‏Verified account @HaiderAlAbadi 4h4 hours ago More
https://www.facebook.com/haider.alabadi.iraq/posts/10155813904953633 … Translated from Arabic by Bing Wrong translation? The Prime Minister Haidar Abadi leaving Baghdad tyro regional tour include Turkey and Iran

Spectra: Haider Al-Abadi Just now · Prime Minister Dr. Haider Al-Abadi: there was a project to dismantle the area and not only Iraq when they wanted to establish a state border with blood, and we still didn't fight our Kurdish people and our orders tight by not confrontation and we thought hassan the and invited We have not fought and thank god they responded, but what is regrettable is the campaign of lying, forgery and false allegations of non-Iraqi forces in and around kirkuk.

His Lordship added that the popular crowd consisted of Iraqi fighters and could constitute, under the circumstances of the ISIS attack and occupation of our cities, with a view of Mr. Al-Sistani's generosity, and the popular crowd today is part of the state security institution in accordance with a law passed by Parliament

DA UPDATE, 25 OCT

Mike Moderator:   10/24/2017   Abadi defends role of Iranian-backed paramiltaries at meeting with Tillerson

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi defended the role of an Iranian-backed paramilitary force at a meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Monday in Baghdad.

Tillerson arrived on Monday hours after the Iraqi government rejected his call to send home the Popular Mobilisation, an Iran-backed force that helped defeat Islamic State and capture the Kurdish-held city of Kirkuk.
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​In his opening remarks at the meeting with Tillerson, Abadi said Popular Mobilisation "is part of the Iraqi institutions," rejecting accusations that it is acting as an Iranian proxy.

"Popular Mobilisation fighters should be encouraged because they will be the hope of country and the region," he added.

Iraq is one of the few countries allied closely to both the United States and Iran, and Tillerson's effort to drive a wedge between Baghdad and Tehran appeared to have backfired, drawing a sharp statement from the prime minister's office.

Tillerson visited Iraq a day after a rare joint meeting with Abadi and Saudi Arabia's King Salman in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.

After that meeting, he called on Iraq to halt the work of the Tehran-backed paramilitary units, which have operated alongside government troops in battles against Islamic State and, since last week, in a lightning advance that seized the oil city of Kirkuk from Kurdish security forces.

At his meeting with Abadi in Baghdad, Tillerson urged the Iraqi government and Masoud Barzani's Kurdistan Regional Government in Erbil to resolve their conflict on Kurdish self-determination and disputed territories through dialogue.

"We are concerned and a bit sad," Tillerson said. "We have friends in Baghdad and friends in Erbil, and we encourage all parties to enter into discussion ... and all differences can be addressed."

Iraqi forces are deploying tanks and artillery just south of a Kurdish-operated oil pipeline that crosses into Turkey, a Kurdish security official said, the latest in a series of Iranian-backed operations against the Kurds.

"Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fight against Daesh and ISIS is coming to a close, those militias need to go home," Tillerson said on Sunday in Saudi Arabia.

Abadi's office responded sharply.

"No party has the right to interfere in Iraqi matters," a statement from his office read. It did not cite the prime minister himself but a "source" close to him. It referred to the mainly Shi'ite Popular Mobilisation as "patriots".

One of the closest groups to Iran within Popular Mobilisation, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, reacted to Tillerson's comment by saying it would be Americans who will be forced to leave Iraq.

"Your forces should get ready to get out of our country once the excuse of Daesh's presence is over," said Asaib's leader, Sheikh Qais al-Khazali, according to the group's TV channel, al-Aahd.

The international battle against Islamic State fighters in northern Iraq since 2014 saw the United States and Iran effectively fighting on the same side, with both supporting the Iraqi government against the militants.

Washington has 5,000 troops in Iraq and provided air support, training and weapons to Iraqi government forces. At the same time, Iran armed, trained and advised Shi'ite paramilitaries that often fought alongside the army.

The latest twist in the Iraq conflict, pitting the central government against the Kurds, is trickier for U.S. policymakers. Washington still supports the central government but has also been allied to the Kurds for decades.

Iran is the pre-eminent Shi'ite power in the Middle East. Shi'ites, including Abadi, are the majority in Iraq, but it also has large Sunni Arab and Kurdish communities. In the campaign for the Kurdish referendum, Iran backed the government against the Kurds.

Major-General Qassem Soleimani, commander of foreign operations for Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, repeatedly warned Kurdish leaders to withdraw from the oil city of Kirkuk or face an onslaught by Iraqi forces and Iranian-backed fighters, Kurdish officials briefed on the meetings said.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif dismissed Tillerson's remarks. The paramilitaries could not go home because "they are at home" already, he was quoted as saying by the state news agency IRNA.

Abadi has asserted his authority with the defeat of Islamic State in Mosul and the Iraqi army's sweep through Kirkuk and other areas that were held by the Kurds.

The buildup at the Kurdish oil export pipeline is taking place northwest of Mosul, an official from the Kurdistan Regional Government's security council said.

The loss of Kirkuk dealt a major blow to the Kurds, who had been steadily building an autonomous region in northern Iraq since a U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein, who oppressed them for decades.
"We are concerned about continued military build-up of Iraqi forces and Iranian-backed Popular Mobilisation Forces towards the Kurdistan Region," said the Kurdistan Region Security Council in a statement.

Elections for the Iraqi Kurdistan region's presidency and parliament set for Nov. 1 will be delayed because political parties failed to present candidates, the head of the electoral commission, Hendrean Mohammed, told Reuters.

Parties have been unable to focus on the elections in the turmoil that followed the referendum, a Kurdish lawmaker said on condition of anonymity.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iraq-rejects-u-call-iran-backed-forces-end-160426514.html

Maliki-Lite is at it again, it appears the PMU are not just welcome, they are part of the Iraqi system. Abadi has no intention of forcing the Iranian's out of Iraq. I'm hoping Iran is for the raising of the value of the dinar, because if they're against it, it ain't happening.   IMO--    Stay grounded...


Punisher:   Mike Iran just might be if you have been paying attention to some of the moves Iran has been doing lately with their banking system and the Rial in trade. Stranger things have happened. We continue to watch and wait....   --"The Guilty Will Be Punished"


klplatt81:   If Americans were not involved, Baghdad eventually gets overrun by ISIS.   It is truly amazing how regions of the world can think so differently from one another.  The ME thought process just does not work with ours. 

Justwaiting:    kplatt81 - yes, they are tribal and will remain tribal forever.  Frankly, in the back of my head,I would not be surprised to see some sort of 'civil war actions' develop down the road ~ at least skirmishes to start ~ sigh  :-{      
--It’s the possibility that keeps me going, not the guarantee

mexia74:   Tillerson knows the real truth.  The U.S. is setting up Iran for an economic squeeze play.  Setting aside the nuclear deal was step one.  Controlling the flow of oil to Iran is probably step 2.  Iraq will be forced to play ball with the U.S.   My guess is Abadi is trying to save face with Iran until this whole deal breaks wide open.

Terry:   Not good. Not good at all. IMO Iraq is headed in a very bad direction.

Mcduff82:  Editorial today in the Washington examiner by Michael Rubin
Iraq may have turned the corner from chaos to stability well worth the time to read

Punisher:    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iraq-may-have-just-turned-the-corner-from-chaos-to-stability/article/2638367

--"The Guilty Will Be Punished"

Justwaiting:  Hmm ~  last paragraph ~

Now is the time for Americans to double down on Iraq, with business contracts rather than guns, in order to reboot bilateral relations and work alongside Iraqis as they reboot their country and economy.

Up to Iraq to pass laws that will enable business contracts with reassurances , ~ interesting thoughts from the author who has spent many years of involvement w/them    --It’s the possibility that keeps me going, not the guarantee
Mike Moderator:  Ditto justwaiting, this stuck out to me:

This does not mean Iraq will have a rosy future. The political class as a whole remains deeply corrupt, and the civil service hopelessly bloated. Patronage still buys party loyalty.

These guys need new leadership, the existing group is corrupt to the core. Pass the legislation or get out of the way, the US has already doubled down on Iraq, it's time for them to begin pulling their own weight.IMO  --Stay grounded...

Justwaiting:  Mike !  TY - Good catch !!!  I  have to read the referenced article  again (maybe a couple more times -grin)   --It’s the possibility that keeps me going, not the guarantee


ZenMav Moderator: Thank you, Mike.  That caught my eye, and that is the exact same problem that plagues Iran, too.  A bunch of old, hard-line, theocratic mafia-types are in charge, forcefully making sure that their populations stay down, and all in God's name... barf.   Iran & Iraq both still need a major kick to the **.

--POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.” - Ambrose Bierce

Terry:    Yep Zen, and I think it is fantasy to think that anything is going to turn around anytime soon.

Mcduff82:  I am amazed that you guys are still in this investment ,or are you?

Justwaiting:   Mcduff82, long, hard, encouraged, frustrating, happy, soul searching, stubborn and so ON LOL   hence, my signature   -- It’s the possibility that keeps me going, not the guarantee

Wn:   Time to send in the CIA for some reprograming
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Hungry people care little about empty slogans and emptier promises, and productive people who've lost their pride through no fault of their own are reduced to fury..........

Mike Moderator:   lol, macduff82, I'm still in, I mean, I'd lose money if I got out now, right? When I got in it was 1170-1 now the official rate is 1184-1. These articles are the reality of Iraq right now, it ain't pretty but it's the facts. This kind of stuff is what the pumpers like ***  ***  ***  *** ***  ***  and the rest of them ignore. They keep everyone on the edge of their seats and it boggles my mind, they've been doing it for years and still no one calls them out. Why? Because they're "positive" and encourging, always espousing how this event is right around the corner, light the cigars and land the plane, it's party time.

And yet, for years, they've been completely wrong and yet people still listen to them. Abadi's reluctance to remove the Iranians from Iraq is a huge indicator for who's really in control of Iraq. Tillerson told them to go and Abadi told him to go pound sand.

This article is an illustration for why we're still sitting here waiting for Iraq to move towards an open market economy, it's because they do what Iran tells them to do, not the US or EU.

Hopefully Iran will allow the Iraqi people to move towards an open market economy and things will change for the dinar, but in the meantime, articles like this help answer the question; "What the hell are these guys waiting for?"

I'm still in it because I don't allow emotions to dictate how I deal with this investment, emotions should always be divided when it comes to finances or investing. My signature say's it all, "Stay grounded."

There's a ton of people blowing smoke up the ladies dresses, I'm not going to be a part of that crew, I'm going to address the good, bad and the ugly and let the reader decide.  In the end, it's just an opinion, right?   --Stay grounded...

ZenMav:  ****  straight, Mike. I decided a long time ago, my investment is either going into the bank, or the fire place. One of these days, I'm going to laminate those 50 IQD notes and make pretty book marks out of them.

--POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.” - Ambrose Bierce

Terry:   Mcduff82, I have never been comfortable calling this an investment.  I always felt more like it was a crap shoot.  Mike, right on!
Mike Moderator:  ZenMav, lol, I bet you could get a buck for each one of them 50's at the flea market ZenMav. And, I like your attitude, I've invested and lost more in my life than I will with the dinar. I'm betting, investing and hoping Iraq turns the corner and breathes life into this deal.   --Stay grounded...

Punisher:   Here is a roundtable if you will of some key players and smart people....it is a must watch! Several questions asked about Iran's influence in the banking sector.....listen to what both the Iraqi's and the Americans say...enjoy.....

https://www.csis.org/events/achieving-growth-contexts-great-challenge-iraqi-private-banking-sector

Mike Moderator:   Thanks Punisher, I got through 30 minutes of it and they hit on several key points:

1)  They forcast the Deposit Insurance Law for sometime in 2019

2)  They're still working on updating the banking laws from 2004 as well as upgrade to international banking standards.

3)  Banks in Iraq are, according to one banker in the conference, are in a "placeholder" position because of existing legislation. They realize the potential that Iraq has but it's a tough proposition to make money right now because the state owned banks control over 85% of the banking activiity due to government employee participation.

These guys are like us, they've invested, for lack of a better word, minimally in the Iraqi banking sector in hopes that once the environment has been changed money can and will be made. Thanks again for posting this.    Stay grounded...