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Saturday, September 23, 2017

RECAP: OKIE HIGHLIGHTS ( AUGUST, 2017)

Okie:  Hello America,  ships at sea and all our world wide friends….

I’m very pleased to be here…It’s been quite a ride for all of us…

If we were cowboys we would all have saddle sores.

Prayerfully, things have finally come to where we can have something to look forward to….

I have some information tonight I wish to furnish from second from the top individual….and I am only furnishing the information I receive… I do not guarantee it’s contents but I’ll share with you what I’ve been told.
I have been told that our rv will occur from 6 pm tonight til 9 am in the morning. That will be the official time it will start.

So I think,  in a nutshell this is what we all wanted to hear. But in a very brief method

We’ve all heard all the speculation and conjecture,innuendo and gossip, and everything we all can stand so I choose to cut to the chase, say all that’s necessary and let it go at that.

Well, that is what I am getting from just a little while ago and it  comes from a very good source.

I can’t guarantee anything but it sounds wonderful to me and I’m looking forward to it, expecting it, anticipating it and believing it. So that’s it in a nutshell.

I am assuming this is eastern time but they did not specify.but before everything I had been told is east coast time.

I really believe this time that the information furnished is correct for a change. We’ve been led down this rabbit hole so many times that I don’t believe anybody anymore and I’m not from Missouri, the “Show Me State” but I stopped listening…show me – don’t tell me..enough with the labor- show me the baby.

I got in this in the latter part of 2003 and I was one of the very first that got into this….and the dinar that I had originally purchased was from Ali at DinarTrade. For the first 30 days Ali was on ebay and then he came out and opened his own site up and I got to where I talked to him two or three times a week.

He did not have enough customers and he would talk to you 30 minutes at a time….a very cordial gentleman…he’s always shot straight with me.

One time in 2003, I asked Ali, “How long do you think this will take to come to fruition, “ and he said “ Oh my goodness, 6 or 7 years. “ And I thought “Aw boloney- it wont take that long”  Well, I am now in my 14th year!

I’m trying to figure out if was patient, or stupid  or patiently stupid but, I’m still involved with it.

I’m glad to furnish this information but bear in mind that this information was furnished to me –it did not originate from me, and it came from the second from the top is where it originated so I am assuming it is legit info.

Thank you all and I really appreciate the prayers that have been offered on my behalf during my recent brain concussion

Q&A:

Q:  If everything is starting as of 6 tonight, what would I as a Zim holder need to know at this point?

Okie: The official RV, I was told starts at 6pm tonight until 9 in the morning….as far as being a zim holder, when you call in and make your apt you be sure to say you hold Zim BONDS and that you have currency to EXCHANGE . Make sure you are definitive.

Q: : Will we be taxed on the zim?

Okie: I can’t answer that.

Q: Will we exchange into gold backed currency ….getting off of fiat currency?

Okie: Its my understanding our gold backed dollar is already in effect…I’ve not seen it, but I understand its already in effect …the world trade has been accomplished lately with gold-backed dollars….let that be an indicator.

Let me say this…if you have a dollar bill in your billfold thats fiat money, and you have a dollar bill that’s gold backed that you can’t have yet…well they are both worth a dollar.  So those of with fiat money will have a period of time to exchange that.   All of our currency in circulation in the world is fiat and they will be trying to pull in as I understand it

And that’s a good deal for one particular reason that I can think of…one reason the US stopped printing 100,000,  50,000, 20,000, 10,000 dollar bills is because drug dealers/criminals  could leave the Us with millions of dollars in just a briefcase….so our government made the $100 bill the largest bill and now if drug dealers now have to send money out of the US on pallets.  These Columbia and Guatamalan drug lords have all these pallets of US fiat currency and they will never be able to exchange now and the US will never have to redeem the vast amount of currency on pallets world-wide because they can’t prove where it came from……they may have to just burn it for paper…

For us though – a dollar is still going to be a dollar whether its fiat or gold backed you can go down to the 7-11 and buy yourself a slushie….and we will have adequate time to exchange them…
Q: Confused about 800 numbers..worried about the cabal.

Okie:  If you dial the 800 number and follow the instructions explicitly the cabal will not be camping on your doorstep to get your phone number. There is a lot of paranoia right now as people are not knowing exactly what to do. And worry about the finite details….they are paranoid…and lookind for something that does not or may not exist.

Q: Okie- will they take zeros off the zim?

Okie: to the best of my knowledge..the IMF has made a statement that they would not ..now that’s the last I heard and what I hear and what I know for sure are two different things. But I understand that is against the IMF’s protocal of doing things.

Closing statement:

Okie: I think the people should be very optimistic tonight and very excited about the possibility of what has been furnished to us for tonight and in the morning. So let’s all hope and pray that the info furnished to us tonight was correct because we’ve been led down this path so many times before and its hard to believe the truth when we hear it.

I’m just an old-timer that has a little experience and with that I’ll say good night and God Bless to all of you .

Bank Story, 24 SEPT

CaptWillie:
We heard from our bank vp family friend tonight. He told us that the screen "buy" rate is $3.52 on the Dinar and $0.39 on the Dong. (Remember, we can negotiate the spread.) Wells Fargo is ready and they're just waiting to get the "Go Signal" from the government.

The VP said that they haven't been trained on the contract rate and he doesn't know anything about it. He also said that they want us to keep our money in their bank but we can take it anywhere we want. They will have "skeleton trusts" available for us to use if we want to. Our wealth manager will advise.

RayRen98:
CAPTWILLIE - THE VP OF WHAT BANK TOLD YOU ABOUT A SKELETON TRUST? PM ME YOUR ANSWER

Meme10:
Wow! Do we dare to think we are at the finish line?

Linda57:
How the heck are we supposed to sleep tonight??!!...lol

Debbie528:is that the public announcement we have been waiting for?

Team D:
the international rate of dinar is 3.70 so we must be there

RayRen98:
TEAM D - STATE WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE A FACT, PLEASE. NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

Diva817:
Is it in the Gazette

RayRen98:
SOME OF YOU DON'T APPEAR TO BE READY FOR THIS..........................SMH

Luvwulfs:
It's being REPORTED as 3.70. Steady Rudder Smile

RayRen98:
CAPTWILLIE - STILL WAITING FOR MY PM

Starbucksrules:
RAYREN98 RAYREN98:::: WHAT DOES "Barzani postponed the September 25 vote for independence for Kurdistan due to lack of international support and overall resistance." ......Have anything to do with anything?? WHY did you MENTION it????? I don't get it! I don't Understand it!! Are you trying to Indicate MORE WAITING??

RayRen98:
STARBUCKSRULES - STOP POSTING THIS QUESTION. GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE CALLS

Al:
The Kurds are standing down,

Airam:
Star i am not Ray .....but i think we don't have to worry about political discrepancies due to the kurds voting referendum or whatever

Dakotaman:
starbucksrules really? Its been said that it was a tactic to get what they wanted. They got what they wanted hence ....

Xpersol:Starbucks. Kurds want Article 140. Referendum for independence is pressure to keep baghdad honest. It's all good. If they defer vote, they feel good about 140.

Hairdresser:
Maybe the Kurds were happy with 80/20 Zim? Smile

Adept1:
Hairdresser: I doubt the Kurds could care less about Zim... 

Fitzgerald:
BUT WE CARE ABOUT ZIM GONNA PUT THAT ZIM TO WORK BABY

Adept1:
Fitz: You and me both, my friend!

IQD CHAT UPDATED, 24 SEPT

xyz: A source at the Central Bank: The video that showed the fund for the receipt of Iraqi funds fabricated

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.alsumaria.tv/news/216535/-

 An official source in the Iraqi Central Bank said on Saturday that the video showing the receipt of Iraqi funds is "fabricated", pointing out that this aims to disrupt the government's successes in crossing the difficult financial crisis with the support of the Central Bank.... "the bank receives The dinar of the foreign printing house with containers containing figures and symbols and not written on the currency or the name of the central bank beneficiary. "

xyz: The World Bank calls on the Iraqi government to create jobs to restore confidence with its citizens
 ...
https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&u=http://economy-news.net/content.php%3Fid%3D9089"

The World Bank Group today concluded a series of consultations with various stakeholder groups on the new strategic partnership framework for Iraq for the period 2018-2022, which sets out the key development objectives of the World Bank Group to help Iraq," the World Bank said in a press release. For its realization, and which proposes a program of strategic interventions for this purpose. "

"The results of the discussions and comments gathered during these consultations will be reviewed in the final document of the Strategic Partnership Framework, which will be presented to the World Bank Group for approval later this year," he said.

chattels: Confederation on the Path to Kurdish Independence? By Biza Barzo A. Hazhar

http://www.rudaw.net/english/opinion/220920171

chattels: " .... perhaps if a loose confederal system of governance is temporarily installed to ensure that the Kurds will not again be viewed as subordinates of Baghdad but rather as equal actors, the transitional period of preparing for separation will go more smoothly."

chattels: " The structure could be a loose confederation where the two governments are two separate and equal powers under the umbrella of one joint international entity. The preparation process towards independence will not only take a day or two, so there needs to be an adequate governance system, different from the current unbalanced one to facilitate relations between the central and regional power."

chattels: " A confederal system could call for the creation of a common market of goods, services, and capital giving the federal government only a limited, coordinating and harmonizing role. Most economic and monetary powers would remain with the two separate republics where Kurdistan and Iraq retain separate currencies, central banks, monetary and fiscal policies."

chattels: " ............ Kurdistan and Iraq retain separate currencies, central banks, monetary and fiscal policies."

chattels: Confused by the word " retain " as used hereinabove.

chattels: Top UN, Iraqi officials discuss Kurdistan referendum in Baghdad, New York By Rudaw http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/23092017

chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region — Iraqi and the United Nations officials have met in New York and Baghdad, following the beginning of e-voting for the Kurdistan Region's independence referendum.

On Friday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi met with UN Special Representative to the Secretary-General for Iraq Jan Kubis in Baghdad, while Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari met with UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.

chattels: Abadi did not go to New York as, " On Friday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi met with UN Special Representative to the Secretary-General for Iraq Jan Kubis in Baghdad, ........... "

chattels: " ................ it was anticipated Abadi would join hundreds of other leaders. However, Abadi was tending to domestic issues like commencing the offensive to oust Hawija from its last stronghold in the north and operations in the Euphrates River Valley.

chattels: Abadi said that there is no objection to discuss the option of confederation with the Kurds, Explaining that this requires amendment to the Constitution and the approval of the Council of Representatives and the Iraqi people on the amendment.

http://iraqidinarchat.net/?p=49955

chattels: altahreernews.com

xyz: Unemployment exceeds red lines .. Graduates are the biggest victims http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.almadapaper.net/ar/news/535975/-

Unemployment is becoming an endemic and chronic disease in Iraq, with its consequences and serious social consequences, particularly poverty that exceeds 30% of the Iraqi people, with an extreme poverty of 10%, according to an economist.

Exceeded the "32%, stressing that the plans and strategies announced from time to time to reduce them are not applied on the ground.

chattels: http://www.shafaaq.com/ar/Ar_NewsReader/9a978bfd-65a7-48dc-8e03-461c7b666072

xyz: cbi video: https://www.alghadpress.com/news/-/119462/-

DinarResearcher: GM peeps

DinarResearcher: I have some info on that CBI video that some individual posted back few days ago

DinarResearcher: Looks like xyz posted similar article, I have one from differ source.

DinarResearcher: Central Bank: The video that showed the fund for the receipt of Iraqi funds fabricated 23/09/2017
DinarResearcher: The Central Bank of Iraq announced on Saturday that the video showing the receipt of Iraqi funds is "fabricated", pointing out that this aims to disrupt the government's successes in crossing the difficult financial crisis with the support of the Central Bank.

DinarResearcher: The Central Bank said in a press statement received by the "Economy News" that "what has been circulated recently from a video on the Central Bank, which shows a closed box and sealed the name of the bank in Arabic and English and is carefully opened by people who wear gloves like doctors, Money, but contains toilet paper, is a video and fabricated for him. "

DinarResearcher: He added that "the central bank receives the dollar received from the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States with large funds written on the serial numbers and some symbols, do not write any names of the recipients, whether the Central Bank of Iraq or German,"

noting that "the bank receives the dinar from the foreign printing house with containers containing figures And symbols not written on the currency or the name of the central bank beneficiary

DinarResearcher: He added that "assuming that the central bank to open one of the boxes or containers and found in such things, the sender of the banknotes bear the compensation and this did not happen and will not happen, because the House of printing sends Iraqi securities worthless only at the cost of printing because it has not yet been traded"

DinarResearcher: "For the dollar, it is one of the largest monetary and political institutions in the world. It is prepared by standard packages from the dollar printing agency and not from a small institution. If the materials contained in the fund were supposed to be spare tools for elevators or counting machines,

DinarResearcher: The bank said that "the purpose of this video is to disrupt the central bank's success in managing cash and even indirectly, and to interfere with the government's success in crossing the difficult financial crisis by supporting the central bank and before that to confuse the great victories over terrorism with God's help. And the sacrifices of the great Iraqis. "

DinarResearcher: http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=9088

DinarResearcher: Iraq reports international criticism of its inability to apply its terms on debt. 23/09/2017

DinarResearcher: The Iraqi government has told the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that it can not comply with some of the criteria for its credit standoff with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in 2015 because of increased spending.

DinarResearcher: A letter sent by Undersecretary of Finance Maher Hammad and Central Bank Governor Ali al-Alak to the IMF, and witnessed by the "father", that "the Iraqi economy continues to suffer under the attacks launched by the shock and shock oil prices that hit the economy in mid-2014.

To counter this double shock, the government has taken bold but necessary steps towards putting its public resources on a sustainable path and welcomed the support of the international community, which secured a credit worth of SDR 3,831 billion (about US $ 5.3 billion) for three Years we have held with the International Monetary Fund as well as significant support from donors. "

DinarResearcher: "The economic and financial policy note shows that none of the performance criteria for the end of December 2016 and one of the ongoing performance criteria could be met, and one of the performance criteria for the end of June 2017 was probably not met.

"The government was unable to meet these performance standards because of the spending pressures of the war against Daqash and the resulting humanitarian crisis at a time of sharp decline in oil prices, so we had to increase spending in 2016 and pay less external arrears than the program's planned levels."

DinarResearcher: "The non-compliance with the continuous performance standard resulted from the accumulation of external arrears of US $ 2.5 million for approximately two months at the beginning of 2017 and arrears of US $ 157 million for several days at the beginning of July 2017. All of these arrears have been repaid."

DinarResearcher: "In the light of the temporary nature of these arrears and the steps referred to in the Economic and Financial Policy Note aimed at continuing the planned implementation of the program and improving cash management mechanisms, the Government requests exemption from non-compliance with the Continuous Performance Standard and one of the performance criteria Scheduled for the end of June 2017.

We also request exemption from the requirement that the four performance criteria established for the end of June 2017, for which no information has yet been available, will apply. "

DinarResearcher: http://www.alebaatv.com/archives/187122

DinarResearcher: The United States and Canada are willing to rebuild Iraq

DinarResearcher: Date of release: 2017/9/23 10:50
 
DinarResearcher: http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=150515
DinarResearcher: A NEW IRAQ ??

DinarResearcher: This is the tale end of the report...
DinarResearcher: "There is no doubt that what has been achieved is not just an expression of the generality of the Iraqis. The Iraqis have borne the brunt of the burden, and the heaviest burden, the bleeding for victory.

They achieved it, but what the Iraqis would have won alone would not have been all the countries of the world. Iraq stood to win the Iraqi people, victorious .. The people when they decide to win victory. "

DinarResearcher: He stressed Jaafari, "Iraq is an indivisible number, this is the new Iraq, the world on a date with a new Iraq as it was at the dawn of history with Iraq, which had emerged civilization, and the dawn of history, and was the first civilization, followed by the civilization of the pyramids of Egypt .. Iraq Today he is back again; he is crowned with triumph after victory, and he has a great record of victories. "

needs to be covered in order for people to understand the true measures needed for the value of the dinar to increase... The USA has much to say about it and so does England, if not more!... Thank you and let the chat know I'm working on a serious call...

Those that do not like Vic's ranting and raving need not apply... I hope all have realized that the U.N., with it's WB and IMF are all crooks... That is why the Iraqi government did not want to borrow, they were being overly forced to borrow... Hence their credit rating... Talk soon, I'll try to come to the chat..... Vic"...

DinarResearcher: URGENT Urgent postponement of official referendum in Kurdistan and acceptance of the American initiative
DinarResearcher: Editorial date: 2017/9/23 16:09

DinarResearcher: URGENT Urgent postponement of official referendum in Kurdistan and acceptance of the American initiative

DinarResearcher: Editorial date: 2017/9/23 16:09
DinarResearcher: http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=150548


DinarResearcher: "Stop The Press"

DinarResearcher: URGENT Urgent postponement of official referendum in Kurdistan and acceptance of the American initiative

DinarResearcher: Editorial date: 2017/9/23 16:09 •
DinarResearcher: The postponement of the referendum officially in Kurdistan and acceptance of the American initiative

DinarResearcher: Confirmed sources confirmed the submission of the Kurdistan Nationalist Party and the Kurdistan Democratic Party to international pressure and the announcement of postponement of the referendum to be held after tomorrow in the region for independence from Iraq.

DinarResearcher: "The Kurdistan region welcomed the United States' desire to resolve the crisis between Baghdad and Arbil with international monitoring and the referendum will be postponed," the sources said.

DinarResearcher: http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=150548

DinarResearcher: That Is All...

DinarResearcher: Something I would like to share with you all that have cable Television and and has the station A&E... October 2 "City of Ghosts"

DinarResearcher: Confusion in Kurdistan .. National leaders confirm postponement and democratic denies

DinarResearcher: Editorial Date: 2017/9/23 16:31

DinarResearcher: (Baghdad: Al Furat News) At a time when the leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, son of former President Bafi Talabani postponed the referendum, denied leaders of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, led by Massoud Barzani, the agreement to postpone the referendum, and that to this moment will be scheduled.

DinarResearcher: http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=150551

DinarResearcher: Since it's a little quiet in here!! Here is some music for ya"ll..

DinarResearcher: https://youtu.be/xMaE6toi4mk
DinarResearcher: The Clash-Should I stay or Should I go?


spanki: getting it right boss- jus don use the stick
DinarResearcher: ;camel
DinarResearcher: Alright I am gonna go On A WalkaBout

tman23: The beat goes on....... misinformation out the waaaaaazoooooooooo

noname: Anyone have conformation Abbadi will address the UN today?
noname: Or is it more misinformation?

Doug_W: time Noname

ElmerFudd: It's true as far as I know. No idea what he will be saying.
ElmerFudd: Hopefully Iraq is open for business.

noname: @Doug_W I don't know what time or if true
Doug_W: give it time and we will all find out

omaatje: https://gadebate.un.org/en

noname: @omaatje thank you

ElmerFudd: @noname Supposed to be in the morning session.

noname: I can't see the big screens going up to cover the Kurds ref. Maybe a bigger announcement

noname: @ElmerFudd thanks

DinarResearcher: Noname go to omaatje link above and you can watch it for yourself. Thank You for sharing omaatje .

Zig: Such a helpful and sharing group...very touching...nice...I...uhhh....excuse me..... ;cry2;

Boomer: Burp! ....Oh excuse me please, I didn't know how that could have happened.

 whynot: message  MOTHER , GRANDMOTHER All my life I would see her tend, to the garden, the flowers, the home. She pruned she weeded so cautiously. Her patience was soft toned.

I remember her favorite time she spend each summer day. She would tend to the flowers so delicately, in her special way. Her family is a garden. She gives all her time each day. She gives nurturing to her children in her very special way.

My grandmother, through all kinds of weather makes each day so clear. My grandmother, though she is gone, her love still feels so real. With wisdom, affection, and fairness, as a mother she was the best.

Never let them go unnoticed. For her children she would never rest. As a mother she was so beautiful. One last incident would tell why. She told her daughter, before her death, ‘you are the flower of my life’

Doug_W: @whynot NICE :)
tman23: Kurd Independence explained in 60 seconds...... Watch it and then ask yourself WHY ?? WHY the 25th date for the vote....... http://ekurd.net/kurdish-referendum-60-seconds-2017-09-22

tman23: The UN meeting is the 19th -25th ....... The 2015 post summit held by the IISD (which is the UN) which takes place same loaction same time and they will assemble after ththe votes to proceed must come before 10/1 ......

Whatever the ** is going on here.....it appears Kurdistan has an opening to apply leverage on whatever the plan among these elite is to be...... And so today Saturday the meeting in Baghdad .......
 ..
 It won't stop the referendum BUT there is going to be some agreement to present to the elite ar the ISSD to proceed on whatever their plan is.......which 2018 was to begin the investment several trillions into world infrastructure (agreed on at iisd post 2015 summit).......

tman23: Can't make this stuff up...... Simple google and some time researching will prove all is factual......the speculation being WHY the Kurd move now AND why not just hold the vote with the Kurd region elections on Nov 1 ?? Would save a lot of money....... The only answer is there is some significant reasoning for the timing.....

whynot: www.tomyezzageometricart.weebly.com

noname: @tman23 you have been doing this many years and must have an opinion of what the reasoning is. Please share. I want hold you accountable for an opinion

whynot: Painting is silent poetry and poetry is painting

Doug_W: bbiab gtr

whynot: PLUTARCH 450 B.C.
whynot: Painting is silent poetry and poetry is painting that speaks

noname: @tman23 the link you provided above states most country's are against the referendum. Kurdistan is in the red 20 billion, land locked and No way to sell its oil. Personality I feel it's Kurdistans way of leading the horse to water. Implement the HCL and add value to the IQD. Will the horse drink? We shall see

chattels: Peshmerga work with Hashd for southern advance into Hawija By Rudaw http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230920173

chattels: President Barzani: It’s too late to discuss postponing Kurdistan referendum By Rudaw 1 hour ago

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230920175

Doug_W: hiya "C"

Zig: Order!...Order in the Chat Room!......Counslor Chattels has the floor!...Order!!!

chattels: @Doug_W hi
chattels: @Zig hello sir

chattels: Here's a " newsflash ' from " Rayren " - what an idiot.

chattels: Intel Guru RayRen98 "SUPPOSEDLY" ABADI ANNOUNCED NO RELEASE OF ECONOMIC REFORMS DUE TO POLITICAL UNREST IN THE COUNTRY. CITIZENS ARE UPSET...SUNDAY PAYS AT NEW RATE ARE REPORTED AS CANCELED.

ElmerFudd: @chattels I gather you don't think that happened?
ElmerFudd: Hello?

tman23: If RayRen said it.....Then it must be true !!! ROTFLMAO !!!!!!


tman23: I day 18 hours until the polls open....... Didn't the Kurds get the message ? The Iraq HIGH COURT said NO and Iran told them NO !! The UN said NO....... WASHINGTON SAID NO !!! ...... I THINK TRUMP HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION........

ElmerFudd: And yet it's Baghdad that's causing the problems.

ElmerFudd: Anyone having problems connecting to Youtube? I can't make a connection.

tman23: @ElmerFudd .... Although we all wish for happiness and a revalued dinar.......I would not shed a tear over the incineration of Baghdad , Tehran, and North Korea........and let the world move on......

ElmerFudd: Hee hee

[pm]Zig: I continue to be amazed (baffled, etc) that so many people still listen to "RayRen"...one of the biggest BS artists and con artists within the Dinar community....please donate today so he can keep doing what he does... :yes:

ElmerFudd: Anyone heard any Dong news lately?

tman23: @ElmerFudd ...... The whole speculation began on DINAR......and the start of the new economy....... Your favorite Gurus started pushing Dong because of all the zeros it carries and then added the Zim..... And it just added another product to gain commission on through pumping for currency dealers......

MAYBE THE DINAR HAS A CHANCE...... THE DONG IS BS.......AND THE ZIM IS DEAD, GONE, AND BURIED !! ........ ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHER WISE HAS NOT RESEARCHED ANYTHING.......AND READING GURU IS NOT RESEARCH !!

[pm]Zig: @tman23 : So what should I do with my 10 million Dong??.... ;cry2;

abangjadul: gn gm all

[pm]Zig: @abangjadul : Hi...haven't seen you here in a while...
ElmerFudd: Never said anything about the Zim. It's not even legal tender.
 It won't stop the referendum BUT there is going to be some agreement to present to the elite ar the ISSD to proceed on whatever their plan is.......which 2018 was to begin the investment several trillions into world infrastructure (agreed on at iisd post 2015 summit).......

tman23: Can't make this stuff up...... Simple google and some time researching will prove all is factual......the speculation being WHY the Kurd move now AND why not just hold the vote with the Kurd region elections on Nov 1 ?? Would save a lot of money....... The only answer is there is some significant reasoning for the timing.....

whynot: www.tomyezzageometricart.weebly.com

noname: @tman23 you have been doing this many years and must have an opinion of what the reasoning is. Please share. I want hold you accountable for an opinion

whynot: Painting is silent poetry and poetry is painting

Doug_W: bbiab gtr

whynot: PLUTARCH 450 B.C.
whynot: Painting is silent poetry and poetry is painting that speaks

noname: @tman23 the link you provided above states most country's are against the referendum. Kurdistan is in the red 20 billion, land locked and No way to sell its oil. Personality I feel it's Kurdistans way of leading the horse to water. Implement the HCL and add value to the IQD. Will the horse drink? We shall see

chattels: Peshmerga work with Hashd for southern advance into Hawija By Rudaw http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230920173

chattels: President Barzani: It’s too late to discuss postponing Kurdistan referendum By Rudaw 1 hour ago

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230920175

Doug_W: hiya "C"

Zig: Order!...Order in the Chat Room!......Counslor Chattels has the floor!...Order!!!

chattels: @Doug_W hi
chattels: @Zig hello sir

chattels: Here's a " newsflash ' from " Rayren " - what an idiot.

chattels: Intel Guru RayRen98 "SUPPOSEDLY" ABADI ANNOUNCED NO RELEASE OF ECONOMIC REFORMS DUE TO POLITICAL UNREST IN THE COUNTRY. CITIZENS ARE UPSET...SUNDAY PAYS AT NEW RATE ARE REPORTED AS CANCELED.

ElmerFudd: @chattels I gather you don't think that happened?
ElmerFudd: Hello?

tman23: If RayRen said it.....Then it must be true !!! ROTFLMAO !!!!!!


tman23: I day 18 hours until the polls open....... Didn't the Kurds get the message ? The Iraq HIGH COURT said NO and Iran told them NO !! The UN said NO....... WASHINGTON SAID NO !!! ...... I THINK TRUMP HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION........

ElmerFudd: And yet it's Baghdad that's causing the problems.

ElmerFudd: Anyone having problems connecting to Youtube? I can't make a connection.

tman23: @ElmerFudd .... Although we all wish for happiness and a revalued dinar.......I would not shed a tear over the incineration of Baghdad , Tehran, and North Korea........and let the world move on......

ElmerFudd: Hee hee

[pm]Zig: I continue to be amazed (baffled, etc) that so many people still listen to "RayRen"...one of the biggest BS artists and con artists within the Dinar community....please donate today so he can keep doing what he does... :yes:

ElmerFudd: Anyone heard any Dong news lately?

tman23: @ElmerFudd ...... The whole speculation began on DINAR......and the start of the new economy....... Your favorite Gurus started pushing Dong because of all the zeros it carries and then added the Zim..... And it just added another product to gain commission on through pumping for currency dealers......

MAYBE THE DINAR HAS A CHANCE...... THE DONG IS BS.......AND THE ZIM IS DEAD, GONE, AND BURIED !! ........ ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHER WISE HAS NOT RESEARCHED ANYTHING.......AND READING GURU IS NOT RESEARCH !!

[pm]Zig: @tman23 : So what should I do with my 10 million Dong??.... ;cry2;

abangjadul: gn gm all

[pm]Zig: @abangjadul : Hi...haven't seen you here in a while...
ElmerFudd: Never said anything about the Zim. It's not even legal tender.
tman23: @Zig ....... I recommend investing in North Korea....... Here in the Bavarian Mountains where goats hang out.....rumor going around that North Korea has high percentage for the chance to have the landscape changed.... which means somebody is going to push the button.......and pushing the button = revaluation .......

[pm]Zig: @tman23 : LOL...you should consider writing a novel....seriously....

tman23: @ElmerFudd ....... economics....inflation....... what killed the Zim ? Where is Vietnam regarding inflation ...... Just the facts.......

abangjadul: @Zig yes quite long due to remote area...
abangjadul: so...referendum is on hold or delay

tman23: Referendum is not going to be delayed...... TV channels in Kurdistan have a countdown clock running untol polls open...... 1 day 17 hours 48 minutes ..........

tman23: Barzani addressed the people....... The vote under no circumstances or threats will be delayed...... There are members of 38 countries now present in Kurdistan to observe the polls and vote....... The time for delaying the vote has passed......

tman23: ERBIL— No time is left for talks over calling off the independence referendum of the Kurdistan Region, Kurdistan Region President Masoud Barzani told French Ambassador to Iraq on.

During a meeting in Erbil on Saturday evening, Barzani told Bruno Aubert that the decision to hold the referendum is not made by one or two parties but the people of Kurdistan and their representatives in parliament. He reiterated that the referendum will take place on time, on September 25, and there is no time left for negotiations over the timing of the vote.

In response, French ambassador stated that his country will not stand in the way of the people of Kurdistan, hoping that the deep-rooted relations between the people of Kurdistan and France be promoted.

"France in principle is not against the referendum [of Kurdistan]," Aubert stated. Today also the Senior Referendum Council issued a statement, emphasizing that the independence plebiscite will run on time, with no delays.

omaatje: @tman23 if everyone is against the referendum then WHY are they there?

tman23: @omaatje ..... I believe it is a BIG show..... They support Kurdistan and the decision.......They just don't come out in words against Baghdad...... I believe Abadi is in favor also to a degree......

abangjadul: BAGHDAD - The Deputy Prime Minister of the Iraqi Kurdistan, Pavel Talabani, the son of former President Jalal Talabani, on Saturday, to postpone the referendum of the region, before retreating by deleting a publication.

The Talabani, that the government accepted the international initiative, which requires postponement of the referendum on the independence of the territory. Then deleted Talabani published on Facebook, which confirmed the postponement of the

omaatje: @tman23 they always try to stop it, but they have the right, simpel as that, and I believe that the UN most defend them, the are a part of the UN

omaatje: @tman23 like Kosovo

abangjadul: confusing here...most news in baghdad say delay while site from rudaw or bassnew are not delay...

tman23: @abangjadul .....Baghdad BS !!! That is all that ever comes out from there....... And just one of the reasons why this referendum is happening........

abangjadul: :nuts: :) ok let wait and see then

tman23: @abangjadul .... This is why I say..... Follow Barzani......he does not mislead ...... If he said the vote is ON Saturday evening......it is ON ........ Majority of the BS out of Baghdad is Maliki media ..... We have drones.....can't one go rogue ??? LOL

abangjadul: on off on off....lol

abangjadul: After postponement of the referendum .. Kurdistan welcomes the initiative Washington Editorial date:: 2017/9/23 16:15 • Urgent .

The Kurdistan Region welcomed the United States’ desire to resolve the crisis between Baghdad and Arbil with international monitoring. The referendum will be postponed by 9:00 pm

abangjadul: postponed until 9pm

tman23: @abangjadul .......Not GOING TO HAPPEN !!

tman23: @abangjadul ......Turkey just held a special session that will allow the army to cross borders into Iraq and Syria to go after Kurds........ NEXT UP.......IRAN !!

tman23: @abangjadul ..... The Kurds are going to make their voice heard to the international community....... The UN.....a worthless group IMO...... we will see how long it takes them to denounce attacks on free will........

Their big meeting just decided they will investigate war crimes of ISIS and prosecute the captured........ STUPID WASTE OF TIME.......INVESTIGATE WHAT........THERE ARE VIDEOS..........

 MY COUSIN VINNY IS A LEAD INVESTIGATOR.......SEND HIM HIS CHECK IN THE BRONX, NY....... THANKS AND THERE WILL BE 10,000 VINNY'S

spanki: WWW dinar knockdown--anther tko by tman

Tebow: They're voting for their own destruction. turkey and Iran hate the Kurds. If they leave Iraq, they to will be against the Kurds. Kurds will be land lock and their oil can be cut off at a moments notice. No way to ship their oil or anything else. Iraq will cut all banking with them, and they have no currency or central bank assets. Pretty much doomed.
Tebow: Turkey and Iran will all Kurds out of their countries.

Tebow: push

abangjadul: this is only referendum ..still far to have independence still need a lot of thing to do so relax we only care about our investment here :)

tman23: @Tebow .... Do you really believe Barzani is alone ? Do you really believe he went out on this limb without support ? Seriously.....REALLY !!! ........ THINK ABOUT IT !!! USA cannot trust Baghdad...... US bases on the border of Iran......Baghdad would not allow it......Kurdistan will........

[pm]Zig: Vic (Gate Keepers) replied to my e-mail.... "Hello Zig, I'm going to do a call...a lot of history needs to be covered in order for people to understand the true measures needed for the value of the dinar to increase...

The USA has much to say about it and so does England, if not more!...Thank you, and let the chat know I'm working on a serious call...Those that do not like Vic's ranting and raving need not apply... I hope all have realized that the U.N., with it's WB and IMF are all crooks...

That is why the Iraqi government did not want to borrow, they were being overly forced to borrow... Hence their credit rating... Talk soon, I'll try to come to the chat..... Vic"....

abangjadul: iraq is live now in un

abangjadul: https://gadebate.un.org/en

tman23: @Zig ...... Looks like Vic and I are in 100% agreement.......WOW !!! Don't know the guy but sounds like a real AHOLE...... conspiracy theorist !!! LOL !! ......

Agape Guy: Greetings to all new to this chat room  
​Whitelions: @tman23 You do know that if the ref, gos through we can kiss the rv good by for at the very least another 3 years because all the laws that have been past since Abadi has been in and I'm talking about the good laws that we are all waiting to be implimped

include the kurds with out them all the laws have to be rewritten and voted on and implimped, all their judicial laws include the Kurds. So are the banking laws they just put into place & the WB was congratulating them on (the infrastructure links) 2 countries can't share a central bank.

Baz has to much money he has to account for that he can't if Abadi had taken his offer to let him stay in office 5 more years like he asked a few weeks back this would be all over But Abadi wants to clean out Iraq I don't care who dose not believe that he is working for the people,it's a waiting game and Baz has to put on a good show not for the people because he dose not care about them but for the people just under him for them he want to look strong.

[pm]Zig: @tman23 : I think you've had too much coffee today....LOL.... ;sip

[pm]Zig: @Agape Guy : :Welcome... :) Hope you like it and hope you contribute regularly!....

tman23: @Whitelions .......I disagree..... This is planned........This is something I have been calling for 2 years......Quite frankly I feel very good about the current situation...... Allow me to retract very good....and replace it with...GREAT and EXCITED....... We shall see ..... oh shall we see !!!

Whitelions: why if they lose everthing and have to start from scratch who dose that help not the people , only Baz and his people .

Whitelions: he wants a dictatorship

Whitelions: and you feel anyway you want so can I but at the end of the day we are peeeeons and only holders of dinar and they don't care how we feel or what we think

sah: If the Kurds do this, Iran said it would close it's borders to them and Turkey would shut down their oil pipeline and not let them pump their oil into their country.

abangjadul: @Whitelions maybe barzani want us also to buy his kurd currency not just dinar lol

Sept 25th coming quickly (ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN)

Confusion at UN General Assembly/Liberation Entire country soon

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 23 SEPT

9-23-2017   Newshound Guru G-Lin  Article:  "The World Bank is asking the Iraqi government to provide jobs to restore confidence with citizens"   ...art. last week from IMF was very emphatic with their instructions. Increase your value and eliminate MCP. I think they are waiting for the security issue they have talked about for 2 years now. And they are very close to accomplishing their fight against ISIS. That may be it. If the Parl. manages to vote that 2nd amendment for CBI through, it could be a timing issue after that. They don't tell us everything. If the debt to Jordan and to Kuwait has been addressed, that would lift them entire from Chap. 7 I believe. The banks have been and continue to be brought up to International standards. Money laundering and corruption are being addressed. Some new currency would go a long way in that corruption fight. Let Abadi take the credit for winning the war and if he gives the peeps some purchasing power, his spot for P.M. next year would seem solid IMO. We are getting there...One thing is for sure, with all of Iraq's wealth, this increase in value will happen...JMO.

9-23-2017   Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat
   "RESTRUCTURING THE IRAQI CURRENCY – PROJECT DELETE THREE ZEROS AND THOUSANDS OF CASH TRANSACTIONS"  Quote:  "ONE OF THESE SOLUTIONS IS THE REFORM OF THE MONETARY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THROUGH ITS STRUCTURE AND DELETION THE ZEROS of them to control flow and manage the cost of the cash mass optimally."   All I can say is WOW, WOW and WOW again. Folks we are witnessing the first steps towards the restarting the “project to delete the zeros”, at least the piece that will lead to what we want...that will bring us to the revaluation.

9-23-2017   Intel Guru RayRen98   "SUPPOSEDLY" ABADI ANNOUNCED NO RELEASE OF ECONOMIC REFORMS DUE TO POLITICAL UNREST IN THE COUNTRY.  CITIZENS ARE UPSET...SUNDAY PAYS AT NEW RATE ARE REPORTED AS CANCELED.  TIME WILL TELL ALL! 

9-23-2017   Newshound Guru tlm724   Article:  "Iran: Kurdistan referendum rejected"    Quote:  "The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Ali Akbar Velayati, said on Saturday that the Islamic Republic of Iran rejects a referendum on Iraq's Kurdistan region and supports what the Iraqi government wants."   Iran has made it's objections loud and clear, it's powerful stuff. We will see what happens as Sept 25th nears ... as investers we don't want this referendum to go forward. It will set things back in Iraq!  We need them to concentrate on economic reform and policy not all this BS...   

9-23-2017   Newshound Guru Adam Montana   [Is this as good as it sounds?]   I see a LOT of things that are pointing to major change! Abadi is a positive  force in this matter...

DINAR IRAQ & DONG VIETNAM UPDATE, 23 SEPT

Al-Luaibi described the Kuwaiti side’s endorsement of “the great achievement achieved after decades, which puts things in perspective and contributes to the settlement of all outstanding issues between the two countries and works to strengthen bilateral relations and expand investment opportunities and prospects for joint cooperation.”
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Al-Amiri: This is what remains of the declaration of the full liberation of Iraq (Baghdad: Al Furat News) The Secretary-General of Badr Organization leader of the popular crowd Hadi Amiri, on Friday, the future destination of the forces of the crowd and security forces after the completion of the liberation of Hawija. “After the liberation of Hawija and its sides, we will begin operations to clear the areas and desert from the district of Baiji (east of Tikrit) southward to the Syrian border to the south of the city (west of Mosul),” the statement said. West of Baiji towards the district of Rawa (west of Anbar) to the Iraqi-Syrian border and complete the purification of the Euphrates basin and then move towards Al-Qaim (western Anbar). ” He added that “what separates us from the Qaim district is 80 km.” He pointed out that “if we complete this process, the Iraqi land will be free of any military presence of terrorist gangs.” He called for the need to “develop an intelligence plan to pursue and pursue the pockets, in addition to a plan to hold the liberated areas.”
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I believe it will come out at a higher rate simply because of the bills that have to be paid… Iraqi’s will not be happy with a lower rate… When I say higher rate I am talking about a rate that will be more that just 1 to 1…. 1.30 dollars to 1 dinar etc for example… This is how they are going to get the higher notes off of the streets… Something they have been writing about as of late quite frequently… The Iraqi people will not be very happy with a .05 cent to 1 dinar rate in any way shape, or form… They have been waiting patiently for far too long… Especially when you have Jordan at 1.40 dollars to 1, and of course Kuwait at 3 plus dollars to 1 dinar… And we have the fact that Iraq has been boasting this past year about the wealth they have within their country… They are going to need some buying power ASAP… So that this reconstruction, and rebuilding of their economy process can hit the ground running… Lots of orchestration leading up to a moment that will be soon upon us… It has be a dramatic change in value… I am more of the opinion of them coming out at the least the high 2’s, and close to 4 dollar range… This country is loaded… One that will instill confidence not only within the ordinary Iraqi citizen… But the world at large as well that Iraq is back in a huge way.

BLC CHAT, 23 SEPT

BLC Admin Tlm724 News Highlights & Comments 9-22-17

Tlm724: Barzani: We have reached the conviction that we can not live with Baghdad  Suspect     Friday 22 September

Barzani: We have reached the conviction that we can not live with Baghdad

LINK 

tlm724  ADMIN:  2017-09-22 BY SOTALIRAQ
Kurdistan officially announces the referendum on independence and send a delegation to Baghdad
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The Supreme Council for the Referendum in the Kurdistan Region announced the holding of the referendum on independence on the 25th of this month

"We have not yet received the appropriate alternative to the referendum," a statement said after a council meeting on Thursday. So the process will be conducted on time without any delay. "

"All doors are open and in all ways to dialogue with Baghdad. A delegation will be sent to it from the Supreme Council for the referendum on Saturday 23-9. "

The Council decided that its secretariat would publish its reports on the draft rights of components and declaration of the general principles of the independent Kurdistan before September 25, 2017.

The United Nations offered to the President of the Kurdistan Region Massoud Barzani to abandon the referendum on the independence of the Territory, in exchange for helping to reach a comprehensive agreement on the future relations between Baghdad And Erbil.

According to the document presented by the UN envoy to Iraq, Jan Kubic, last Thursday, the proposal calls for the immediate start of the Iraqi government and the government of the government to "organized negotiations, intensive, intensive ... without preconditions and an open agenda on ways to solve all problems, And arrangements that will determine future relations and cooperation between Baghdad and Erbil. "

http://www.sotaliraq.com/2017/09/22/%D9%83%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%86-%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7/

http://www.bondladyscorner.com/t184860-barzani-we-have-reached-the-conviction-that-we-can-not-live-with-baghdad


blcd1:    What does this possibly mean for Dinar holders?

Tlm724:    Please see my notes here :

Tlm724 Administrator:  Iran: Kurdistan referendum rejected

Political Since 2017-09-16 at 16:12 (Baghdad time)

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The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Ali Akbar Velayati, said on Saturday that the Islamic Republic of Iran rejects a referendum on Iraq's Kurdistan region and supports what the Iraqi government wants.

"The Iraqi people want a united country," he told reporters on the sidelines of his press conference to conduct a complex operation, according to the Iranian news agency Fars. "The referendum is opposed by the Iraqi government and the majority of the Kurdish people, "Any move, consciously or unconsciously, to separate part of Iraq or any country in the region is rejected by the Islamic Republic of Iran."

"Iran is a strategic ally of Iraq and we support all that the Iraqi government wants and we oppose everything that this government opposes," Velayati said, warning that "the division of countries and the separation of nationalities if started in this region will not end."

He added that "the separation of the various nationalities in the region will be in the interests of the colonizers and arrogance, especially the American administration and the Zionist entity.

Therefore, we reject any national separatist movement in the countries of the region, including Syria, Iraq, Turkey or Iran, because this matter contradicts the views of the majority of the peoples of the region "" The separatist movements of the various nationalities in the countries of the region undermine security, and we reject this. "
The Kurdistan regional authorities plan to hold a referendum on secession on the 25th of this month, amid the rejection of local, regional and international.

The Council of Representatives of Iraq voted on Tuesday (12 September 2017) to reject the referendum on the independence of the Kurdistan region and to compel the government to take all measures to preserve the unity of Iraq. The Council of Ministers of the Arab League issued on Wednesday 13 September 2017, An Arab decision unanimously to reject the referendum because of its illegality and its opposition to the Iraqi constitution

http://www.mawazin.net/%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7-%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B6-


tlm724 ADMIN: Iran has made it's objections loud and clear, it's powerful stuff. We will see what happens as Sept 25th nears ... as investers we don't want this referendum to go forward. It will set things back in Iraq ! We need them to concentrate on economic reform and policy not all this BS    Wink


tlm724  ADMIN:   Iran threatens to close its borders with Kurdistan in the event of a referendum

17/09/2017 02:26   Trend Press / Continue
The Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, Admiral Ali Shamkhani, on Sunday, the cancellation of security and military agreements with Kurdistan and the closure of all border crossings with the region in the event of a referendum.

Shamkhani said in a press statement, followed by "Trend Press" that the security and military agreements will be canceled in the event of the Kurdistan region to secede from Iraq.

Pointing out that Iran will work within the framework of securing their common border, to re-examine the way to deal with the presence and movements of terrorist elements in Iraqi Kurdistan and will provide steps completely different from the steps taken previously.

Shamkhani added that the opportunity is still available to officials of Iraqi Kurdistan to respond to good initiatives aimed at securing the interests of the Kurdish people and the State of Iraq and to prevent the establishment of currents threaten security in the region.

Stressing that the referendum is to close all border crossings with Iran.

http://aletejahtv.org/permalink/181676.html


tlm724  ADMIN:   Shamkhani: Military and security agreements between Iran and Kurdistan will be considered null and void in case of separation of territory from Iraq

Editorial date: 2017/9/17 14:11 • 223 times read
(International: Al Furat News) warned the Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council Ali Shamkhani that the military and security agreements concluded between Iran and the Kurdistan region will be considered null in the case of separation of territory from Iraq, stressing that the referendum will not secure the interests of the Kurdistan region.
​ The secretary of the Supreme National Security Council said in a press statement that the referendum would be "a new and destabilizing threat to the Kurdistan region."

"In the circumstances in which Iraq is close to the efforts and sacrifices of its people, including Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen, from the final stage to purge its territory of the existence of the terrorists, this action lacks legal grounds as well, and certainly will have security implications for the region and Iraq, especially the Kurdistan region."

Shamkhani pointed out that "the decisive role of the Kurds in the Iraqi government, and the need to continue to take advantage of this possibility in the course of strengthening the security, economic and political structures in the Kurdistan region," adding: "The trends of Iraq's neighboring countries opposed to the referendum in the region will lead to the creation of complex conditions For Kurdistan after the referendum. "


"Iran certainly recognizes only one government and a federation in Iraq," the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council said. He said that "any violation of this strategic principle will lead to serious reconsideration and change in the course of cooperation between Iran and the Kurdistan region."

http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=150082

 

IQD CHAT UPDATED, 23 SEPT

Chat Room News Excerpts & Highlights Friday Night   9-22-17

DinarResearcher: Looks like they are coming tomorrow..
DinarResearcher: Tomorrow .. Kurdish delegation in Baghdad

DinarResearcher: The Kurdish delegation will visit the capital Baghdad on Friday night, said Bira, a member of the delegation in a press statement today:

"The Kurdish delegation will visit "The Kurdish delegation, which will visit Baghdad, was supposed to arrive yesterday or today, to hold intensive discussions in Baghdad on the referendum and the fate of the region, and appeared many news and expectations on the date of the visit , The time is now selected, after a meeting The Kurdish leaders, headed by Massoud Barzani, held shortly before.
​DinarResearcher:

http://aliraqnews.com/%d8%ba%d8%af%d8%a7%d9%8b-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%88%d9%81%d8%af-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%83%d8%b1%d8%af%d9%8a-%d9%81%d9%8a-%d8%a8%d8%ba%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%af/

DinarResearcher: This article is from yesterday

chattels: Deadly clashes between Hashd and Yezidi force near Shingal By Rudaw

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220920173

chattels: Barzani: On Sept 25 the choice is between subordination and freedom By Rudaw

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220920174

chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – When they go to the polls on Monday, the people of Kurdistan must choose between a life of subordination or one of freedom in an independent Kurdistan, President Masoud Barzani told a rally of thousands in the Kurdistan capital on Friday afternoon.

chattels: Barzani said that the “free union” described in the Iraqi constitution has failed and that the path ahead is for the Iraqi and Kurdish nations to part.

“We no longer can live with Baghdad,” he said. “The referendum is out of my hands now, or the political parties. It is now in your hands – the people of Kurdistan,” he said.

 Describing how Iraqi did not respect partnership in the new Iraq established after the 2003 US-led invasion, Barzani declared, “We won’t go back to a failed experience.” He said that Erbil is open to have serious and friendly talks with Baghdad after the September 25 vote, but it is now too late to postpone the vote.

chattels: Addressing the Kurdish nation, he called for bravery at the polls. “On September 25, head to the polls and decide your future. Those who are fearful, don’t go, or vote no,” Barzani said, while telling the nation the road ahead is difficult but worth it.

“Either we live a life of subordination, or a free life,” Barzani said. And if they must die to achieve freedom, they will “die with honour.”

txbrand: @chattels ugh

chattels: It appears that the die are or will be cast come Monday.

chattels: As campaigning ends, Barzani says referendum now in hands of the people By Rudaw

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220920177

chattels: First vote cast in Kurdistan independence referendum By Rudaw ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – With e-voting open for the Kurdistan diaspora on September 23, the first vote in the historic referendum has been cast in China, Karwan Jalal, general manager of data at the electoral commission told Rudaw.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220920176
chattels: What happens in Iraq after Kurdistan’s independence referendum? By Zana Kurda

http://www.rudaw.net/english/opinion/220920172

chattels: From the Kurdish perspective, there are two options in front of Iraqis and all of those who have a stake in Iraq.

chattels: Either maintaining the status quo, which means emphasizing Iraq’s unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity, none of which does exist in the current Iraq, they argue.

According to the Kurds, this essentially means continuing with the political impasse in Baghdad and protracted disagreements between Baghdad and Erbil, while the Shia-Sunni conflict continues to threaten all of those who do not want to be part of that problem. The Kurds have tried hard to stay out of the Sunni-Shia regional conflict.

chattels: Or, the second option – facilitating a soft, amicable separation of the three, Shia, Sunni, and Kurdish entities and letting each run their own affairs in the way they desire.

It is clear that by entity Kurds mean having their own independent Kurdistan. Kurds have their own reasoning and believe that on the top of the fundamental divisions in Iraq, the last decade has revealed another major rift between Iraq’s main components which is on the issue of governance.

The Kurdistan Region has made a deliberate choice to embrace democratic values and principles such as the rule of law, freedom of press, the inclusion of ethnic and religious minorities, as well as the participation of women in every sphere of life. This hasn’t necessarily been the case in Baghdad or Najaf.

chattels: The current Iraq is thus not just divided over ethnic and sectarian lines, but also differences in mindsets and attitudes as to how to organize a society and govern oneself. Imposing artificial unity, Kurds argue, will only further widen these gaps and will increase the existing animosity and mistrust among these diverging entities.

Based on this, Kurds believe that maintaining the status quo is a risky option and that it will essentially make Iraq a ticking time bomb, with devastating consequences for not only Iraq itself, but also the entire Middle East region and beyond.

chattels: " Imposing artificial unity, Kurds argue, will only further widen these gaps and will increase the existing animosity and mistrust among these diverging entities."

chattels: " Imposing artificial unity ........... "

chattels: What other unity is there in / for Iraq ?

chattels: Barzani: Peshmerga will fight against any attack on Kurdistan

http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=66255

chattels: The crowd and Salahuddin's operations are looking at the third phase of Hawija's liberation

http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=66250

chattels: Thursday, September 21, 2017 Iraqi Forces Continue To Advance In Anbar While Preparing For Shirqat And Hawija

http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2017/09/iraqi-forces-continue-to-advance-in.html

chattels: Don’t underestimate Kurdistan’s resilience Ranj AlaaldinFriday, September 22, 2017

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/09/22/dont-underestimate-kurdistans-resilience/

chattels: Ethnic Dimensions of the Kurdistan Referendum

http://carnegieendowment.org/sada/73187

chattels: KIRK H. SOWELL The aggressive rhetoric surrounding Kurdistan’s largely symbolic independence referendum risks triggering armed conflict in ethnically mixed territories. September 21, 2017

chattels: " aggressive rhetoric surrounding Kurdistan’s largely symbolic independence referendum "

chattels: The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) seems likely to press ahead with an independence referendum on September 25, although mediation efforts to suspend it continue.

chattels: This vote will not lead to a state, given the lack of institutional mechanisms for doing so.
chattels: .......... only 68 out of 111 members from the KDP, the KIU, and part of the PUK bloc attended the opening session of the Kurdistan parliament on September 15. Still, 65 votes were enough to endorse the referendum and confirm that it should take place on September 25.

chattels: While the parliament is pushing ahead with the referendum questions remain regarding its constitutionality on two fronts.

First, the decree that established the referendum was questioned even by many Kurds because Barzani passed it by executive order even after his mandate had expired. Second, and more importantly from the non-Kurd point of view, the federal constitution grants no right of secession and Article 1 guarantees “the unity of Iraq.”

chattels: Although in all likelihood the referendum will not lead to independence, the perception that a potentially independent Kurdistan would include non-Kurdish minorities is driving angry reactions.

chattels: Rising tensions are also pressuring Abadi to take a harder line on other issues the federal parliament had with Kirkuk’s Governor Najmuddin Karim of the PUK who had defied the judiciary to raise the Kurdish flag on government buildings.

 Abadi ignored the requests of Arab and Turkmen MPs for Karim’s impeachment, but once Karim supported the inclusion of Kirkuk in the referendum, Abadi called on parliament to impeach him, and it immediately voted to remove him.

chattels: At this point escalatory rhetoric has reached a fever pitch; had Barzani stressed the exercise would draw no borders from the beginning, it would have lessened tensions.

 Barzani is now at pains to stress that the vote is purely symbolic, but the harm is done. The aggressive rhetoric has taken on a life of its own, alarming ethnically mixed areas and heightening tensions between the central government and the KRG.

Although a large-scale military conflict is unlikely, localized armed clashes are a possibility in multiple areas. At a minimum, what was always going to be a symbolic vote has stalled Iraq’s political process and put joint anti-terrorist military operations at risk.

chattels: Kirk Sowell is an astute observer and commentator on matters Iraqi, but I find him to be anti-Barzani. He could equally criticize Abadi for being pressured to escalate the rhetoric when he could have been dismissive of the significance of the referendum vote.

chattels: Unfortunately Abadi is fighting for his political life nearing the end of his term and approaching elections in April.

chattels: Abadi seems heavily influenced to cater to the hawkish voices within the Shia political factions supported by Maliki and Iran, which likely best explains the US position in trying to maintain the moderate Abadi in the hope of undermining Iranian influence. The " reelection " Abadi is the best hope of keeping Iraq away from the " control " of Iran.

[pm]mod: Beny is BACK! LET'S PREPARE FOR TOMORROW Audio/Video Replay 46min http://IQDCalls.com/benny.html ;thinking:

chattels: @mod What does Beny have to say ? Do you have a link for information that may explain his position ?

chattels: @mod Something concise if such exists as I am not going to listen to an hour(s) of talk.
chattels: @mod Who is Beny ?

[pm]mod: Beny is a Dinar "Guru" type lives in LA... says he has "Elite" contacts.. but who knows? interesting guy been a bit all over the place sometimes. :que

chattels: @mod Link ?

[pm]mod: http://iqdcalls.com/benny.html

[pm]mod: Says he has been lied too
chattels: @mod Sounds like Jose Jiminez.

txbrand: I thought the UN meeting was over

Savannah: I listened to all of 30ish seconds of that.... I call BS! lol

chattels: @Savannah No donation from you, eh ? :)

Savannah: @chattels no way! ugh lol
 
chattels: @Savannah I had to struggle against a strong gag reflex myself :)

Savannah: @BREW probably why I have no idea who those are either.... for goodness sake! lol
Savannah: @chattels really? I thought that was me holding back the chunks... lol

chattels: @Savannah :)
BREW: @Savannah AMEN

Savannah: @chattels for some reason I just couldn't help but click on the link though.... ;)

chattels: @Savannah We are like moths to a flame lol

Savannah: @chattels so true! Lol
txbrand: is the UN meeting over,,, i have heard 3 people say Abadi would speak...lol
txbrand: he didnt go...right ?
txbrand: :ya

chattels: @txbrand Abadi stayed in Iraq.

chattels: Kirk H. Sowell‏ @UticaRisk 15h15 hours ago Replying to @UticaRisk .... the fact that many people on both sides THINK it will create a state is what is driving ethnic tensions. Rhetoric impacts reality. https://twitter.com/UticaRisk?lang=en

chattels: " it " being the referendum 
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Restored Republic via a GCR Update as of Sept. 23 2017

Compiled 1:17 am EDT 23 Sept. 2017 by Judy Byington

A. Sept. 22 2017 2:51 pm EDT TNT Call: TNT Showtime CC Notes by Adept1 9-22-17

1. Yesterday Sept. 21 we expected PM Abadi to address the UN, and that didn’t happen but he is on the schedule for (late) tomorrow, Sept. 23.

2. He did speak to the Iraqi people yesterday, but didn’t talk about the change in pay rates the citizens are expecting on Sun. Sept. 24.

3. Banks are still on high alert, waiting for everything to come down the pike.

4. Banks have received instructions on how to handle the currencies, including the Zim.

It looks like he has been put late on the list, until Saturday evening, which will be early Sunday morning in Iraq.

HSBC stands for Hongkong Shanghai Bank Corporation. They have branches in the US and you can open an account if you want to. Look it up on the internet.

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B. Sept. 21 2017 Dinar Gurus Intel

1. There were always two rates for any currency.

2. At your exchange you might see on the bank screen $3.71 as the Dinar International Rate. (That is the rate we were told two years ago).

3. That $3.71 is the Sell/International Rate - what the bank will charge you to buy Dinar (after the GCR).

4. That is different from the Buy/Exchange Rate - what the bank will offer to you in exchange for your Dinar.

5. (According to Yosef the Buy/Exchange Rate could be around $28.11 for the Dinar, $24.80 for the Dong and $3. 60 for the Zim).

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C. Sept. 22 2017 12:11 pm EDT GCR Intel Situation Report: "Quid Pro Quo" - GCR/RV Intel SITREP - Friday - September 22, 2017

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D. Sept. 22 2017 8:08 pm EDT GCR Intel Situation Report: "Sweet" - GCR/RV Intel SITREP - Friday - September 22. 2017

1. The RV process began officially at noon on Wed. Sept. 20. This coincided with sundown in the Middle East on Tues. Sept. 20, 2017, which was Wed. in China.

2. All nations then went gold backed by noon Thurs. Sept. 21, 2017.

3. Abadi's speech was to then roll out and away we went with out numbers spilling out at 8pm EDT Thurs. Sept. 21. Private redemption was to go all through the weekend.

4. The military was ready and had declared martial law and informed local police forces of such.

5. Then Israel got to Kurdistan and somehow made them to pull back with a snap referendum on Sept. 25 (after all countries must be legally gold backed by their own Constitutions) and asked for 3% more (20% from 17%) for their oil revenues as a good standing member of the new Iraq government.

6. Abadi doesn't really have a signed majority constitution without the Kurds, so there can be no rate because Kurdistan pulled back on the pre-negotiated percentage trying to create leverage at the last second.Keep in mind all Kurdistan has fiscally is oil sales, and Arab businessmen are notorious for this last second pull back strategy.

7. Israel has no more money coming in from anywhere. Netanyahu just went around the world begging for scraps to stay afloat before coming to the UN with utterly empty pockets. Israel technically didn't do this, but they had a hand in it as they have in North Korea and of course with Trump. Israel offered to help by creating enough ancillary chaos to give them an advantage, as long as Israel got free or reduced oil prices to fuel their economy.

8. As of 2am EDT Sept. 22 we don't know what if anything was been resolved. But that's what stopped Abadi at the UN yesterday Sept. 21.

9. I was also told the RV release Wed. Sept. 20 was authorized by the indigenous tribes of humanity last week, but not from Beijing, rather from Ophir - King Solomon's mines in the Philippines where he sent ships to retrieve gold that ultimately built the temple in Jerusalem.

10. I don't think we will wait much longer now, the world community won't and cannot tolerate delays now. Perhaps they'll wait for the weekend to start, but that's about it.

11. Sovereign nations technically have until 6pm EDT on Sun. Sept. 24 to get their currencies in the que to crank up their trade platform profits, which is what we've now been told by multiple sources.

12. If you're not gold backed with your currency by midnight Sun. morning Sept. 24, you literally will have no money on Oct. 1, 2017 and thus will no longer have relevance and thus exist as a sovereign nation anymore.

13. So we're waiting on Iraq (China) and Kurdistan (Israel) so that Iraq can start trading their newly revamped gold backed currency on the Asian trading platforms that literally will generate all the new cash on our modem financial system.

14. The Chinese are forced to wait because Iraq constitutes their third largest crude oil partner as well as fifth largest gold producer. Their first gold producer was the African continent and Zimbabwe minerals specially.

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E. Sept. 22 2017 GCR Situation Report: "Reckoning": "Reckoning" - GCR/RV Intel SITREP - Friday - September 22, 2017

1. The illusion of a freely elected and enlightened US Congress will soon be known as a complete fraud all in service of Israel, who was in service of the dark nobility, but now acting on their own through Trump and other minions.

2. Now the Republic will be taking over all matters related to US governance permanently - which means publicly-which means the implementation of the USN currency & UST over the money supply and tax enforcement.

3. Now a latent but potent Republic military force will be taking a leadership position for all homeland security operations - publicly-which is a nice way of saying martial law.

4. They will root out whatever obstructionist elements of the Cabal that remain in government, military, courts and banking.

5. This is the end, or the beginning depending on which side you're on. While you will get wealthy this weekend, you will be such a small number that will do so worldwide it is your moral and human responsibility to serve the masses.

6. Most federally elected politicians are allowing health care, tax reform and infrastructure bills to fail, which keeps the sovereign Republic government from becoming GESARA compliant which the cabal plan to keep the USA out of the new financial system.

7. That's no longer a Cabal option under martial law,

8. American Cabal loyalists are threatening to freeze desperate Americans out of Medicare / Medicade health care. Israel is behind it all the chaos. Just as they always have been.

9. Choose the rate wisely ZIM holders. The RV isn't what you think. It's a test not a gift. The RV is about preservation of the soul of the world, not the acquisition of sudden wealth. That I can assure everyone pro or con of old Yosef. Sobeit.