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Wednesday, August 9, 2017

DINAR IRAQ & DONG VIETNAM UPDATE, 9 AUGUST

Iraq need to manage efficient to achieve economic and social required feasibility, especially after the great economic success that has been achieved in the second of the current month of August represented by the entry of Iraq into money markets world.
After the issuance of the second external sovereign bond international on behalf of the (Euphrates) and duration of more than five years, and the sudden thing is that more than 350 companies from global investment companies competed with each other to buy the Iraqi bond.

These companies collectively financially set the world up to 12 trillion dollars, while the volume of purchase orders reached about 6 trillion dollars to support (Euphrates) Iraq secured by the Iraqi government and not by any other international body as the first in Sindh (Tigris), which safeguarded the United States government.
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Baghdad: Al-Furat News) The Central Bank of Iraq revealed on Tuesday the size of the large sums seized by terrorist gangs after the fall of the city of Mosul in June 2014.
A statement issued by the bank received the agency {Euphrates News} a copy of it that “the Iraqi banking system was exposed after the events of June 15, 2014, to a major setback because of the control of gangs and the dads on the three provinces of Nineveh, Anbar and Salahuddin, in addition to important parts of Diyala province, .
He pointed out that “the call for control of nearly 121 branches of government and private banks, including the branch of the Central Bank of Iraq.”
He added that “the estimates in light of the latest financial conditions of branches of banks, which controlled them, adding that the total amounts were estimated at about 856 billion dinars, in addition to about 101 million dollars.”
The bank explained that “most of these deposits belong to the government departments and related to the projects of the provinces within the budget in 2014, including the assets of the Ministries of Defense and Interior, and assets belonging to the minorities of Christians, Yazidis, Shabak, Turkmen and all other sects and sects of Islam, in addition to the assets of some small local companies that left their owners These cities because of the war and the occupation of the Da’ashi for their areas. ”
He added that “the pressure worsened on the banking system after the acquisition of the Kurdistan Regional Government deposits in the branches of the Central Bank affiliated to the Ministry of Finance of the region, which is estimated to 5 trillion dinars, about 50% to the Iraqi Trade Bank, and the other half to more than 80 branches of banks Including branches of foreign banks operating in Iraq. ”
The bank pointed out that “he has been calling for huge sums of money since the imposition of his control over large areas of Nineveh in June 2014, as the income of a duel of $ 2 billion a year, making it one of the richest organizations at the time,” adding that “Da’ash became rich through the sale The oil it gets from Iraq and Syria, while it is not disclosed who buys the oil he steals and urges and smuggles to different countries. ”
“The daily proceeds of the sale of illegal oil is about two million dollars for the sale of 30 thousand barrels per day, where the price of a barrel of black gold has between 25 – 50 US dollars before the decline in oil prices in the past.”
The central bank said that it has taken precautionary measures to protect the banking and financial sector during the period of control over banks and companies, including stopping the activity of branches of banks and non-banking financial companies located in the provinces of Nineveh, Salahuddin, Diyala and Anbar and prevent the transfer or supply in foreign currency through the window and stop the subscription Branches of banks and non-bank financial companies in the system of electronic clearing and payment system in general and located in these provinces, in addition to other actions taken by the bank. ”
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TNT Dinar Conference Call w/Rayren98

Agreement to Activate 140/Petrodollar discussions

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 9 AUGUST

8-9-2017   Newshound Guru G-Lin   Article:  "Optical cable brings great economic returns to Iraq"    Quote:  "Director General of International Network Services (SCIS) Ali Mohammed Al-Qasab The project was completed by the state-of-the-art national digital platform"  It sounds as though all systems are ready to go to me. Completed. 

8-9-2017   Intel Guru Bruce 
  In Iraq things are happening to move this along.There are rates that have been temporary put on cards. When they look up their cards to see the rate showing it is there...then it leaves, then it flashes, then it is solid.  Until that rate drops in I don’t think we can go and the rate is on the CBI and on their Qi cards. Iraq sort is in a holding pattern that has been relaxed from chapter 7. They are moving into chapter 8 with the UN. We are just waiting for their rate to drop in. Yes we heard their budget will be reviewed on the 21st. Does it mean we have to wait until the 21st? No, do not believe that.  I believe this is very close.   [post 2 of 2]

8-9-2017   Intel Guru Bruce   I am going to bring everyone up to speed from several sources...Some of my sources are people that no one else gets information from. I do know that. Iraq has been sending emails to people in their own country with these Qi cards that the rates are changing. Some people have talked about the lower denominations being in the ATM machines. Yes they are. Are they ready to go yet? I can’t get confirmations of that. I thought they would be ready yesterday or today. They are poised to start.  Fils coins are not in the ATM machines. They are in the banks and the stores. They don’t put coins in the ATM machines.   [post 1 of 2....stay tuned]

8-9-2017   Newshound Guru chattels   [...just wondering how Iraq sold bonds internationally in 2006 if they aren't international.]  Iraq's currency and bonds are " international ", they just aren't worth what we are waiting for it to be...

8-9-2017   Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat    Article:  "Iraq in Final Talks to settle debt entire Gulf Debt Economy News Baghdad"   Saleh is not talking JUST about the Kuwaiti debt. He is talking about ALL Gulf debts for Iraq from the Paris Agreement. So Iraq plans to settle all these debts amounting to 45.6 billion. This is wonderful news and surely hike up their credit rating. But how will they do it? This is a huge sum of money. This will also lead to getting “fully” out of Chapter VII sanctions. I luv this news…

Dinar Updates w/BGG, Mr White & MadScout

IQD CHAT, 9 AUGUST

Chat Room News Excerpts & Highlights Late Tuesday 
chattels: @Spectra There is always a date in the future for Iraq to do something that needed to be done yesterday.

Sparky: @Spectra what date?
Spectra: @chattels i know but its the chaper 7 ! i like!
Sparky: @Spectra only the beginning
Spectra: @Sparky it may be the beginning but everything has a END!

txbrand: Frank26: WOW !!! ...... TY DELTA !!! ************* DELTA: لاسيما بعد النجاح الاقتصادي الكبير الذي تحقق في الثاني من شهر آب الحالي والمتمثل بدخول العراق إلى اسواق المال العالمية BINGO!!!! (wink) Blinkster: (Translation): "Especially after the Major economic success achieved on the second August month of Iraq's entry into the global financial markets."
​chattels: @Spectra Iraq is in a perpetual state of " fixin' to get ready " to do this or that as we like to say in the South :)

Spectra: @chattels I KNOW! -LOL

Spectra: @chattels but i am still being my self , and im always optomistic!

Sparky: @Spectra I'm optimistic, or we wouldn't be here

Spectra: @txbrand i seen that this morning too but didnt want to take it -lol

chattels: @Spectra I prefer the company and fellowship of optimists, I am jaded and skeptical enough for all of us :)

Spectra: @chattels if everyone was a optomist it would be like EVERY OTHER PLACE!
chattels: @Spectra I am and remain " hopeful ".

chattels: @Spectra " Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out." - Vaclav Havel

txbrand: hummmmm why would they say this is it wasnt changed ------------> Samson: Rafidain determines the sale of dollars to pilgrims at the official price 8th August, 2017 Rafidain Bank announced the sale of the dollar to the pilgrims at the official price and through its branches specified in Baghdad and the provinces.

chattels: @Spectra This dinar thing makes some sense, but how it will end I do not know.
Sparky: Patience

txbrand: guess not --- He pointed out that "the bank set the official price is 1200 and three thousand dollars" for each pilgrim.

chattels: @txbrand Sorry, not following you. Say more please.

Sparky: @chattels easier to say than do
chattels: @Sparky Indeed. Few can or will.
Sparky: @chattels agree
Sparky: @chattels like fear and greed
Sparky: @chattels illusion

chattels: “THESE are the times that try men's souls. ................ ; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." - Thomas Payne

BlackGold: <---- just wondering how Iraq sold bonds internationally in 2006 if they aren't international. boy, their are alot of lairs and thieves around

SayMyName: @BlackGold There sure are BlackGold
SayMyName: @BlackGold It's unfortunate, but that's life right? Not all people are bad, just a lot.

chattels: Iraq's currency and bonds are " international ", they just aren't worth what we are waiting for it to be, eh ?

SayMyName: @chattels Exactly

BlackGold: not in 2006
SayMyName: @chattels I guess to some degree they're "international." I guess that has layers to it.
SayMyName: @chattels I'm not an expert in these matters. Just a joker, smoker, and a midnight toker lol
BlackGold: lol

chattels: Some banks sold the IQD at one time I am told before I invested.
chattels: @SayMyName I am a confessed macroeconomic moron.

Sparky: @chattels my bank just started

Spectra: here is a big one for you all!

Spectra: Abadi 8-8 -2017 .............................................. There is a clear success and development in the economic situation of Iraq. Our strategy is to diversify the economy and encourage investment. There is a bottleneck in some joints of the economy because of routine.

The world is interested in Iraq and looks forward to investing in it. There is high international confidence in our economy that we seek to strengthen. The status of Iraq is being strengthened day by day among countries. The world experience of Iraq is a pioneering experience.

The world is surprised that Iraq has emerged stronger than before. The system of linking Iraq with restrictions we are working to free them. We want to complete Chapter 7 file completely. Our forces prepare for the operations of Tal Afar, western Kirkuk and western Anbar.

We agreed to the timing of battles to free the remaining from the ground. Life returned to Nineveh province clearly.  We are working to restore life to all our liberated cities. We captured organized crime gangs and hijacked very quickly. We assure all citizens that we are pursuing criminals as soon as the crime occurs. Invite citizens to report crimes and criminals and cooperate with the security services.

We want to reach a safe stage for criminals and terrorists. We are trying to restore Iraqi industry and restore Iraq's health in all fields.  We want a sound relationship between the executive branch and the legislature. There is no foreign forces fighting in Iraq. We do not have a rally outside of Iraq.

The popular crowd is an official body operating within Iraq. The crowd is an Iraqi body funded by the Iraqi budget and operating under the authority of the State.  Incident bombing of the crowd by the coalition is incorrect. Do not interfere with the Syrian file.  We ask all parties not to intercept Iraq outside its territory. I invite to n

Spectra: https://www.facebook.com/IraqPMMediaOffice/photos/pcb.732691736915524/732691456915552/?type=3&theater

chattels: I probably ruined the good prospects of the IQD. Usually what I invest in goes south in value. :)

Sparky: @chattels Rockland Trust, New England

SayMyName: @chattels So this is YOUR fault lol

Spectra: @chattels no no no now!
chattels: @SayMyName LOL
Sparky: @chattels lol
​SayMyName: @chattels When this finally goes down... it sounds like you're in the same school as me.. in that this will be the greatest cosmic "I told you so" of my entire life

Sparky: @chattels times change

chattels: @SayMyName If so, and I choose to communicate with all who have and are laughing at me, it will be a long distance communication :)

Sparky: @chattels it's the only given
SayMyName: @chattels Right. "I told you so. I'm also in a random South American country."

Spectra: @SayMyName random????
chattels: @SayMyName No return call number :)
Spectra: @SayMyName lol strange!

BlackGold: routine = stealing--lol

Spectra: @BlackGold Random brings questions to my mind!-lol
SayMyName: @Spectra I just mean that I'll be far far away, once this pops
Spectra: @BlackGold but i question everything
Spectra: @SayMyName ok isee!- i thought you said you were in a random place now!

chattels: Iraq gets vote of confidence from IMF, bond markets After ratifying an amended 2017 budget, Iraq passed a crucial IMF review and raised $1 billion in its first unsecured bond offering since 2006.

chattels: By BEN VAN HEUVELEN AND BEN LANDO of Iraq Oil Report Published Monday, August 7th, 2017

chattels: The Iraqi government has cleared two significant hurdles in its urgent quest to attract investment capital, on the heels of Parliament's recent passage of an amended 2017 budget law.

 Iraq has successfully marketed a $1 billion unsecured bond, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) announced that it approved Iraq to receive an $825 million loan disbursement as part of a three-year program – flows of financing that could help establish an encouraging precedent for international investors.

SayMyName: @chattels Two out of how many? lol
Spectra: @chattels nice

chattels: I would like to have the rest of the article but a subscription to Iraqi Oil report is thousands of dollars per year. http://www.iraqoilreport.com/news/iraq-gets-vote-confidence-imf-bond-markets-24590/

Sparky: @chattels progress
Spectra: @chattels ickes!
Sparky: @chattels not surprised

chattels: @SayMyName Very true, and the amount of money is rather insignificant in the greater scheme of things.

BlackGold: <-- wondering where the 85 billion is that belongs to Iraq that we so nicely were holding for them, not to mention all the othrs funds we secured from other Central banks. an untold amount

SayMyName: @chattels It's all progress, don't get me wrong. But it's not the finale.

Sparky: @BlackGold where do you think?

Spectra: @SayMyName what exsperience do you bring to make or back up your statement if you don't mind me asking?

chattels: @SayMyName There is much that we do not know. In the famous words of Donald Rumsfeld, " as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."

Spectra: @SayMyName in other words why should i believe you?
Spectra: @SayMyName is it based on your profession ?
Spectra: @SayMyName or some related field to economics or maybe something else?

BlackGold: @Sparky lol
Sparky: @chattels rumsfeld, Cheney
BlackGold: Oct 26, 2011 - US troops get ready to unload cash transported inside Iraq by helicopter. ... the New York Federal Reserve shipped billions of dollars in physical cash to ... The money came from an account held at the New York Fed called the ...

Sparky: @chattels Halaburton

BlackGold: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2011/10/26/ny-feds-40-billion-iraqi-money-trail
Spectra: @SayMyName I am sorry to put you under pressure sir or mam but? When making statements one should use a proper vetting !

Spectra: @SayMyName lol
Spectra: @SayMyName so now you say this is not the finale! please exsplain ! why you believe this way?

BlackGold: Oct 31, 2016 - Iraq is demanding the return of $40billion gold money it says was stolen by U.S. institutions in the wake of the 2003 invasion. In a letter to sent the UN sent last month the Iraqi parliament asked for help finding and recovering the money, which disappeared from the Development

BlackGold: http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/where-s-our-missing-$40bn-gold-iraq-demands-return-of-oil-money-stolen-by-u-s-institutions

Spectra: @BlackGold wow! this is a big one!
BlackGold: that is just what was reported

Sparky: @chattels 1 Bobby is on point

Spectra: @BlackGold GOOD LUCK WITH THAT IRAQ!
BlackGold: yea i know
Sparky: @chattels so is Pat

chattels: Kurdish Diaspora to Vote Electronically in Independence Referendum http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/kurdistan/369247

Hornat: @BlackGold https://youtu.be/-iDrc-JrV8A

Spectra: @chattels Diaspora what does that mean disposition?

chattels: @Spectra Kurds living outside of Kurdistan.
Hornat: @BlackGold thanks for the link
Spectra: @chattels ok ty

MichelleL: stood for the dispersion of jews outside of Israel back in the day, glad to see its being ethnically recycled Spectra ;) Hello again friends

chattels: @Spectra " The Kurds living abroad will be allowed to vote in the September independence referendum of Kurdistan through an electronic poll set by the Kurdistan Independent High Electoral Commission (KIHEC)."

MichelleL: we weave in and out of all sorts of places in this dinar community, Spectra - normally once I weave out, I never weave back in though

chattels: @MichelleL Probably, but not sure. It got to be a contentious place for me to post due to one person who kept sabotaging the chat room.

chattels: We are all in this together. We all " win " or " lose " together I think.

MichelleL: as far as I am concerned, we're all just watching and waiting, hate seeing the infighting
chattels: @MichelleL Maybe, we shall see, eh ? But I hope and pray for each of us.
MichelleL: @chattels :Tup

Spectra: people in iraq lets not forget them!
Spectra: after all is this not the country we invested in and its people are its country!

Sparky: @chattels you bring reality, to the chaos and confusion

chattels: None of us are so very good. He who believes that they are without error deceives him/her self and the truth is not in them.

Spectra: @MichelleL :yes:

ElmerFudd: @Spectra It doesn't give many details, but it does mention that they are getting this resolved.

Spectra: @ElmerFudd yes !
Spectra: @ElmerFudd and chapter 7 !
Spectra: @ElmerFudd correct!

Cree: OK so I left you all alone for the afternoon so I am sure you solved the problems of the world. So where and when for the RV?
Sparky: @Cree Iraq will be dominant in the ME

Cree: @Sparky so.......tell please
Cree: @Sparky and and and

Cree: @Sparky in oil or with a tomato saurce?
Sparky: @Cree. Port of Fame will play
Cree: @Sparky if thats all he said well.....
Cree: @Sparky hey be nice to Tman you gave me the ciff notes

Sparky: @Cree best advice, don't count on Tman
Spectra: But what is it wrong to acknowledge the truth now?
Spectra: I'm sorry I don't get that?

tman23: @Sparky ..... LOL !! 
​Spectra: @Sparky yes he been around a long time too as long as I've been watching at least 4 years
Sparky: @Spectra can't see his perspective

Spectra: @Sparky it's between the two of you but I can Remeber him calling it !

Sparky: @Spectra not even a pumper

Spectra: @Sparky No one is perfect here we make bad calls ?
Spectra: @Sparky but Rcookie was a good guy at least I enjoyed his perspective I agree!
Sparky: @Spectra ok. Agreed. Just don't like him

Spectra: @Sparky he seemed pretty intelligent too!

Romello: I remember tman23 calling it but I also remember Tman23 having justifiable proof based upon the articles That we all were reading.

 Spectra: @Sparky there's always going to be someone we just don't mesh with! They say !

Sparky: @Romello articles? When?

Romello: It wasn't like tman was slapping everything against the wall to see what stuck like the rest of them were.

Romello: @Sparky Long ago for me

Romello: Tman23 had brought many articles in about 2 weeks ago the show why he had called it.  : I remember cause I was in here and read them as well
chattels: Enorrste Article: "Keywords confirms the existence of a large and promising role for the private sector in the next phase" Quote: "Secretary General of the Council of Ministers d. Mahdi Keywords presence of government plans to give a major role and promising the private sector in Iraq by activating the investment side in the next stage within the sectors of the economy and reconstruction."

I'm with KAP [Guru Kaperoni] on this one. This sort of language doesn't leave much wiggle room. It seems to me that forces are in play to open the currency to the world before the end of the year. [reference Guru Kaperoni post 7-7-2017]

Sparky: @chattels float?
​chattels: Unfortunately I do not foresee much reconstruction / reconciliation until 2018. I very much hope that I am wrong. C'mon Iraq !

Sparky: @chattels 2018 sounds good

chattels: @Sparky A float beyond an initial value I think makes sense. What will the threshold value be ?

Sparky: @chattels at the current rate
Sparky: @chattels just start

chattels: @Sparky I expect that many people will exchange as soon as there is any real value. It will be difficult not to do so.

Sparky: @chattels turn the key
Sparky: @chattels I'm holding

chattels: @Sparky I am hoping that I am holding enough to cash some and hold some.

Sparky: @chattels potential is phenomenal

chattels: @Sparky Boom or bust :)
Sparky: @chattels you have plenty

RickeyT: @chattels www.gofundme.com/RickeyTolliver , I am one that will cash out asap

Sparky: @chattels Boom
Sparky: @chattels isx

chattels: @RickeyT Each of us has our own considerations, eh ?
RickeyT: @chattels yep
chattels: @RickeyT The " luxury " of a choice is all that one can ask or expect out of anything in life.
RickeyT: @chattels I have never had to ask for help in my life.....I always made 80k+, cancer has taken it all

Sparky: @chattels Basra 500
Sparky: @chattels index
Sparky: @chattels I'm already there

chattels: @Sparky Not following you. Say more please.

Sparky: @chattels Basra is intended to be the next financial capital
Sparky: @chattels near Port of Fame, need parity
Sparky: @chattels Faw
Sparky: @chattels everything cones in through there
Sparky: @chattels imho
Sparky: @chattels with Kuwait

Sparky: @chattels wow, lot of info

chattels: @Sparky How so ?

Sparky: @chattels just sounds vulnerable
Sparky: @chattels too much info for open chat room
Sparky: @chattels must be me
Sparky: @chattels I trust no one

chattels: @Sparky We are all vulnerable. By the grace of God go we all. I have always been transparent. Anonymity is cowardice to me.

Sparky: @chattels no one here
Sparky: @chattels I disagree

RickeyT: @Sparky read my story on the go fund me page, I was bulletproof at one time, when you get smacked as hard as I have been, you wise up quickly

Sparky: @chattels smart
Sparky: @RickeyT I like my life, and my privacy

chattels: Central reveals takeover Daesh 856 billion dinars and 101 million dollars LINK

chattels: Courtesy of DinarAlert

Acerginnala: Does anyone know about this $6 trillion that Iraq supposedly received?

chattels: Saleh: the loss of Iraq during the occupation of the grain Daesh period of more than three million tonnes  LINK

chattels: Courtesy of DinarAlert
​chattels: @Acerginnala I have not heard such.
chattels: @Acerginnala You have a link ?

Acerginnala: I will get it @Chattels

Acerginnala: Dr> Clark probably copied it from Frank but here is the first link to Dr Clark:

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/our-blog/-dr-clarke-update-post-for-august-8th

chattels: Beware of corrupt calls to float the price of the dinar  LINK

chattels: Courtesy of DinarAlert

Sparky: @chattels looks like lots of code

chattels: @Acerginnala I do not read any mention of 6 trillion dinar ?

chattels: " It is the political and security reasons that are calling not to float the dinar at the moment (at least) is the fear of mixing the next political capital from abroad to carry out political and security agendas is illegal with the money that comes out through official channels that are subject to transparency, and that there is coordination and cooperation between the government and the central bank (as an independent authority for the government) in the area of recovery of funds borrowed and re - reserve to figures normal, ............"

Acerginnala: and represent these companies collectively financially set the world up to 12 Trilion dollars, while the volume of purchase orders reached about 6 trillion dollars to support (Euphrates) Iraq secured by the Iraqi government and not by any other international body as the first in Sindh (Tigris) , which safeguarded the United States government. http://www.alsabaah.iq/ArticleShow.aspx?ID=142165

chattels: " ............., so it is necessary not to be dragged behind the rhetoric and the launch of rosy promises about the benefits of the float of the dinar is not in the current government (reluctance to float now) nor in the short term only after economic vision is completed for the country and elucidated exceptions available the appropriate requirements for this transition, ..........."

Acerginnala: @Chattels, here is what Dr Clark Said: Iraq sells Bonds directly, without US backing, to tune of over 6 TRILLION Dollars! (Remember our MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE’VE BEEN PREACHING OVER THE PAST MONTH. (This Qualifies) . I would think he got it from the article posted by Frank.

chattels: @Acerginnala " ........... the great economic success achieved on the second of this month, which is the entry of Iraq to the financial markets After the issuance of the second international sovereign bond in the name of (Euphrates) and its duration of more than five years, and surprising that more than 350 companies from the international investment companies competed among themselves to buy the Iraqi bond, representing a total of a global financial number up to 12 Tre Lyon dollars, ..........."


Sparky: @chattels get ready, that sounds close
chattels: @Acerginnala We shall see.
chattels: @Acerginnala Thanks for posting.

Acerginnala: So the companies represent some 12 trillion dollars, Iraq did not sell 6 trillion in bonds? I hate to call something BS but this stinks to high heaven.

chattels: @Acerginnala My recollection of the bond sale was an amount very much smaller that the sum stated in the article.

Sparky: @Acerginnala at least their own bonds

Sparky: @Acerginnala first time in 10 years
Sparky: @Acerginnala I think

chattels: Iraq tried to sell bonds two years ago with no takers as I recall.
Sparky: @chattels oversold this time around
Sparky: @chattels 6.75

tman23: Iraqi representatives met with Lord Mayor at the mansion house in England promoting the latest bond and seeking international investment along with bringing up old ideas like trade centers to for UK commodities etc etc........ The hesitation is mostly concerns on political stability.....

Sparky: @tman23 SOL,?
Sparky: @tman23 Maliki, Iranian influence

chattels: @tman23 " It is the political and security reasons that are calling not to float the dinar at the moment (at least) is the fear of mixing the next political capital from abroad to carry out political and security agendas is illegal with the money that comes out through official channels that are subject to transparency, ........."

LINK

Sparky: @chattels funneling $ to terrorist
Sparky: @chattels Maliki machine

Acerginnala: I first read the bond was 1 billion dollars, now 6 trillion? That, is a LOT of cabbage! ;$$
Sparky: @Acerginnala 6 bil
Sparky: @Acerginnala USD

chattels: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 Post Mosul Liberation Day 28 Aug 7 2017

http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2017/08/post-mosul-liberation-day-28-aug-7-2017.html

chattels: August 6 was one of the most violent days in the city for quite some time. It was another reminder that not only are IS elements still hiding out in the tunnels of the Old City, but has cells roaming the rest of Mosul as well.

chattels: Control of Mosul remains in transition. The spokesman for the Joint Operations Command General Yahya Rasool said that the army would remain in the city until the local police were built back up. That came after units from the 9th and 16th Division were pulled out to be used in the Tal Afar operation.

The Federal Police is taking over many of those areas. The Ninewa Council has been asking Baghdad for months to re-instate the former police, but it appears that the central government would rather create a brand new force. That could take months to years, and there appeared to be no pre-planning for it either

chattels: Again, Baghdad did not prepare for this contingency leading to this ad hoc situation. Luckily, the Islamic State is on the run, but once it regroups this hodgepodge situation could easily be exploited by the militants.

 chattels: For over two weeks now the Iraqi forces (ISF) have said the Tal Afar operation is right around the corner. The Defense Ministry was the latest to announce that the battle plan was completed and that a starting date has been set. Air strikes have been going on for days and knocked out several bridges in the district to limit the insurgents freedom of movement.

A MiG flying reconnaissance was hit over the town by IS fire, wounding the two crew members. The Federal Police started reconnaissance missions and setting up logistics for the campaign. A member of the Ninewa council claimed all the civilians had fled Tal Afar only leaving IS families.

Finally, Al Mada had a good piece on the challenges in the upcoming fight. Some parts of Tal Afar are as densely laid out as Mosul. There are also many orchards in the south. Those two areas could be difficult zones to maneuver through for the ISF.

chattels: Finally, there are not many fighters left. The campaign was originally supposed to start at the end of July, but the Hashd had to move back from the Syrian border, which caused a delay. That should end very soon.

chattels: The number of displaced (IDPs) in Ninewa has recently plateaued. On July 30, there were 837,450 IDPs. A week later on July 6 there were 838,950. Many of the people entering camps are going through their second or third displacement.

chattels: The main reasons why people want out is that there are no jobs, and there is no air conditioning during the sweltering summer heat. Since the start of the Mosul campaign there has been a constant movement of people in and out of the camps. That trend continues even after the city has been freed. Until there is a decided change in the overall situation, this will go on.

chattels: Iraqi Federal Supreme Court and adherence to the rules of legal interpretation (the decision of constitutional amendments model )  LINK


chattels: The Iraqi Constitution in the Federal Supreme Court has jurisdiction to interpret the provisions of the Constitution in the second item of Article 93 thereof. On the basis of the above-mentioned constitutional text, the Iraqi Council of Representatives has asked the Court to present to the Presidency of the Council proposals submitted by (1/5) of the members of the House of Representatives to amend one or two Articles of the Constitution and whether it should be dealt with in accordance with the mechanisms set forth in Article 126) of the Constitution or according to the mechanisms prescribed in Article (142) thereof.

chattels: Iraqi Kurds’ Referendum for Political Relevance

http://carnegieendowment.org/sada/72740

chattels: DENISE NATALI : The independence referendum for the Kurdistan Region reflects not just struggles with Baghdad but intra-Kurdish political rivalries that could encourage further conflict.

chattels: The Iraqi Kurds’ independence referendum, planned for September 25, reflects unresolved disputes over political authority between Baghdad and Erbil. It is embedded in the “right to self-determination” and a salient sense of Kurdish nationalism that has deepened since the campaign against the Islamic State (IS).

Even if the referendum is non-binding, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) will attempt to use the results to leverage the Iraqi government. One priority is to capitalize on Kurdish territorial gains and enhance KRG influence in the disputed territories, particularly Kirkuk and the Nineveh Plains. This effort requires convincing local communities—Kurds and non-Kurds—that their future will be more promising under the KRG and not Baghdad.


chattels: The first dynamic involves what the Kurds can gain from the Iraqi state. The second is about Kurdish factions’ competition for power, revenue, and resources.

chattels: The key post-referendum issue is not whether a “yes” vote will alter official Iraqi borders or the status quo, but rather how Kurdish parties’ competition for political relevance can incite conflict among Kurds or other sub-state groups.

chattels: Most astute observers, as well as Kurdish officials, know that the referendum will not lead to independence.

chattels: A unilateral referendum lacking Iraqi and international support is unlikely to alter the status quo in Iraq.

chattels: The absence of a negotiated settlement between the KRG and Baghdad approved by the Iraqi parliament, will also leave KRG claims to oil exports and revenues subject to the same legal and political constraints as they are today. Nor will the referendum change political geography. The Kurdistan Region will remain landlocked and dependent on Turkey’s goodwill for most of its oil exports.

chattels: According to Iraqi officials, at least half of the nearly 600,000 barrels of oil per day exported by the KRG to Turkey are from Kirkuk and not the Kurdistan Region proper. Kirkuk revenues have temporarily replaced the KRG’s portion of the Iraqi budget that was cut off by Baghdad in 2014, an agreement that will likely be revisited in the months ahead.

chattels: KRG overreach in the disputed territories could undermine its autonomy and ability to leverage Baghdad. At minimum, a “yes” vote will increase the KRG’s operating costs and financial pressures.

chattels: Those in the No to the Referendum movement, initiated by independent activists in Sulaimaniya, argue that the referendum is really about extending Barzani’s power and not Kurdish independence.

chattels: Kurdish opposition voices are unlikely to stifle the referendum or prevent a majority “yes” vote.  
​chattels: Internal Kurdish dynamics have implications for the referendum and its outcomes. They show that the competition among Kurds can have as much, if not greater influence on self-determination then tensions between the KRG and the Iraqi government.

chattels: The Kurds’ ability to influence Baghdad is further challenged by an enhanced sense of Iraqi nationalism, Baghdad’s gradual rapprochement with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and the KRG’s lack of an independent revenue source.

chattels: Given these realities, the efforts of the United States and international community can fuel or mitigate power struggles and conflict between Baghdad and Erbil, as well as within the Kurdistan Region.

Avoiding such turmoil would not mean backing a Kurdish referendum at this time, but rather, enhancing institutions of the Iraqi state, supporting Iraqi nationalist narratives that are less ethno-sectarian, and helping decentralize power in Iraq, to include the Kurdistan Region.

Support to the KRG should continue to be conditioned on its status as an integral part of the Iraqi state—and channeling this support through Baghdad. Neutral third party actors could be effective in mediating power, resource, and revenue sharing between Baghdad and Erbil, as well as at provincial levels and in disputed areas.

chattels: Denise Natali is a distinguished research fellow at the Institute for National Strategic Studies (INSS) at National Defense University. The views expressed are her own and do not reflect the official policy or position of the National Defense University, the Department of Defense, or the U.S. government. Follow her on Twitter at @DnataliDC.

G-LIN & ISLANDG211 TIDBITS, 9 AUGUST

G-LIN: Article:  "Abadi: negotiations with the State of Kuwait to resolve the file of compensation"   Quote:  "...expressing his hope to resolve the file and complete it completely to emerge Iraq from Chapter VII absolutely."  It wouldn't surprise me if this has already been resolved.
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 ISLANDG211: Moody's came out over the weekend with a C+ credit rating for Iraq based on a number of factors. The report published by Moody's makes no reference to Iraq's currency nor Article VIII nor the UN Chapter VII sanctions. Mosul is liberated. Tal Afir, Iraq and Raqqa, Syria are not. Tal Afir is surrounded and the invasion plans completed and will only take a few weeks. Raqqa is about half done, but not ready for the full scale door-to-door invasion. That will happen this Fall. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE RV IS GOING TO BE DELAYED until after Tel Afar and Raqqa is completely done. I believe that they see the end of ISIS holding towns is in sight. Trump accelerated the removal of ISIS, but Baghdad is going to have to negotiate an Oil and Gas law without giving in to Barzani. What he is doing is not Constitutional.

KTFA UPDATE, 9 AUGUST

DELTA:  HELLO FAMILY:

LAST TIME I GAVE YOU TANZANIA AS AN EXAMPLE TODAY I WILL BRING YOU VIETNAM.

Press Release: Vietnam Accepts IMF's Article VIII Obligations

January 5, 2006
Press Release No. 06/02

The government of Vietnam has notified the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that it has accepted the obligations of Article VIII, Sections 2, 3 and 4 of the IMF's Articles of Agreement, with effect from November 8, 2005.
Under Article VIII, Sections 2, 3 and 4, IMF members undertake not to impose restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions, and not to engage in, or permit any of their fiscal agencies to engage in, any discriminatory currency arrangement or multiple currency practice, except with IMF approval.

A total of 165 of the IMF's 184 members have now accepted the obligations of Article VIII, Sections 2, 3 and 4.
....

By accepting the obligations of Article VIII, Sections 2, 3 and 4, Vietnam signals to the international community that it will pursue economic policies which will make restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions unnecessary, and will contribute to a multilateral payments system free of restrictions.   DELTA (wink)
SeaBass:  WOW, WOW, WOW AGAIN.
POINT BEING: Announced and retro active to a specfic date .....
What is being indicated about IRAQ ???
Who has ears to hear what is being indicated???
I SO HOPE SO !!!!!
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JoniRV:  On CBI website, can anyone translate?      https://cbi.iq/news/view/349

DELTA:  CBI MEMO TO IRAQ BANKS NOT TO DEAL WITH N KOREA BECUASE OF UNSC SANCTIONS !!!

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JesusLovesBaseball:   Not a perfect translation but decent:

CBI:   https://cbi.iq/news/view/350

August 09, 2017

Banks are all inclusive

Financial transfer companies

Companies 1 to broker and sell foreign currency

Individuals and networks engaged in fraud, extortion and fraud were allegedly charged with having a certain influence on officials or employees of the police central bank . Or attempt to pass certain transactions on boxes, documents and forged books

We confirm that all claims made by the applicant are null and void and that the reporting office must be informed immediately

The person or group 1 and the management of the Bank and its employees at all levels, like them or on their behalf or mediated by any important person

They are connected with them (if true) and the central bank does not take care of the fraud and fraud,

Legitimate as well as what is required of caution and caution and the investigation of the validity of claims and documents

Please inform all your employees of what has been reported and report through the Special Agent in the Governor's Office.

with respect
Governor of the Bank of Iraq
Bank Center: Al-Rasheed Street, Baghdad, Iraq

JJonesmx:  Ok so..... why would the CBI have orders, to not play with international banks...... Unless......
Wait a second …….They must be international them selves NOW...
Something to think about... imo..    Blessings to you   *JJ*
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PappaJ:  may day, may day= this is federal reserve 1 losing my engines= crash immanent !!!  roger that will send out new digital 1 to rescue survivors!!!!!!!

Samson:  Basra Council is discussing today the abolition of petrodollar allocations

 Politics, security and economy  Wednesday, 9 August 2017 - 09:00 p

 The Basra provincial council on Wednesday, an extraordinary session to discuss the issue of the general budget and the federal government to cancel allocations petrodollar revenue of 5%.

Council member Anwar Majdal al-Ajoudi said in a statement to Al-Marbad radio that today's session will be devoted to presenting and discussing this file, while she expected that the file will be discussed in the presence of members of the House representing the governorate, the political council, and tribal representatives.   LINK

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Samson:  Abadi: countries of the world began to trust the Iraqi economy 

 8th August, 2017

Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi said on Tuesday that the world's countries have begun to trust the Iraqi economy after the economic and administrative reforms that have raised its credit rating globally.

"The formation of the Higher Committee for Investment and Reconstruction has increased investment activities despite the existence of bottlenecks in some joints of the economy as a result of red tape and corruption," Abbadi said at the weekly press conference attended by "Economy News." He added that "the committee contributed to supporting investment and stimulating the non-oil economy."

He pointed out that "large countries are showing daily their desire to invest in Iraq despite the war it is waging to expel gangs," adding that "the countries of the world began to trust the Iraqi economy after the economic and administrative reforms that raised the credit rating of the country

http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=8644

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Samson:  Abadi: Iraq sold treasury bonds without any external support

 8th August, 2017

Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi said on Tuesday that Iraq has for the first time sold treasury bonds without any external support.

"Iraq has put up $ 1 billion in treasury bonds a few days ago without any external support," Abadi told the weekly news conference, which was attended by "Economy News". He added that "requests to buy the Iraqi bond are very large, although the interest rate is 6.7%."

He explained that "Iraq launched two years ago treasury bonds to support its budget, but the requests were weak and the interest rate is very high 11.5%," noting that "the government is working to provide an environment conducive to investment

http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=8645
Samson:  Rafidain pays the salaries of employees of state departments

 9th August, 2017

Rafidain Bank announced on Wednesday the disbursement of salaries of employees of some departments and state institutions.

The bank's information office said in a statement that "the bank has launched the salaries of employees of the Ministry of Industry and Minerals - sugar factory and the Ministry of Higher Education and Scientific Research - the presidency of the University of Nineveh and the Ministry of Oil - the Arab Company for Detergent Chemicals."
 

He pointed out that "the disbursement was made through one of the electronic payment tools, after the arrival of sukuks of their amounts from their departments."

http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=8646

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Don961:  Municipality of Mosul announces the distribution of salaries of its employees tomorrow

 18 hours ago  economy  20 visits

Nineveh province on Tuesday decided to begin distributing the salaries of the Mosul municipality on Wednesday.

"Nineveh governor Nawfal al-Aakoub agreed to pay municipal workers on Wednesday," a source in Nineveh province said.

"The workers of the municipality have not received their salaries for three months in Mosul after the transfer of the transfer by the ministry from the municipality of Mosul to the province administration."

The source said that "the salaries of two months will be distributed only to employees of contracts of workers and other employees who did not receive salaries."

http://waradana.net/link

BlaqueBeauty:  …..will this be the 1 to 1 salaries?...

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Samson:  The Iraqi Trade Bank: The global market has begun to trust the future of Iraq's economy

 9th August, 2017

The Iraqi Bank of Commerce announced on Wednesday that the global market began to trust the future of Iraq's economy after the issuance of the country's bonds worth one billion dollars.

The Iraqi Bank for Trade in a press statement received "the economy News" a copy of it, "The issuance of bonds issued by Iraq worth one billion US dollars in the global market exceed several billion and strong requests exceeded seven times the amountrequired."

He added that "the Iraqi Trade Bank announces the success of his participation as director of issuance in the process of international public offering of the Iraqi Republic for the first time, where the Iraqi government issued bonds worth one billion US dollars in the global market for five and a half years and a price of 100% and a return of 6.75%.

"Citibank, JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank have been key managers in the bond issuance process. The Iraqi Trade Bank has participated as co-manager," he said, noting that "the bond was rated B-Stable by companies Fitch Ratings and S & P. ​​Bonds are also expected to fall within the Irish stock market. "

He pointed out that "the Iraqi government has organized with the banks that manage the issuance of bonds a number of comprehensive offers in London, Boston and New York and received a positive attention by investors from global investment funds, and proceeds of the IPO value of what was on the market more than seven times the amount required "He said.
"We are honored to be the co-directors of the $ 1 billion bond issue for the first time by the Iraqi government," Faisal Al-Hims, director of the Iraqi Trade Bank, said in the press release.

"We are pleased with the positive result we have received from the global capital market,where the proceeds of the subscription exceeded several times what was on thetable, reflecting the confidence of the global capital market in the economic future of Iraq

http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=8653

Benny On The RV

Benny On The RV

WSOMN CHAT, 9 AUGUST

TED1016:
And then there is Tuesday, is there any reason to think the information we get today will be any better than yesterday? Not that I can see but it sure would be nice to see that Tuesday be different than all the Tuesday’s past. Hope springs eternal so let’s hope for a special day today. Personally I spent the day out in my garage trying to straighten things out, made a little progress, it kept my mind occupied.

Tomorrow I have an appointment for an interview with Home Depot part time. I really need the extra income like many others here on the WSON board since the immediate income is continually been delayed. Time to start selling some things just to get by for another month or so. Getting harder and harder to stretch income to meet the demands of the creditors.

Most Gracious and Heavenly Father, we gather here to offer thanks for all that you have done for us over the years of waiting for this event to take place. I must admit there were times when financial disaster was eminent and then something unexpected would happen to provide the means to make it another day, week or month. Those times are what keep me centered.

Dear Lord God Almighty, if it be Your will help those among our group who are starting to believe the wild stories being poured into us on a regular bases by people who are either doubters themselves of just being fed false information to pass on to desperate people. If today is the day for us then we pass all the glory to You for standing by us through the storm.

Rest easy in your slumber my friends our hopes and dreams have only been delayed for a while longer and we must all work together to keep us all centered on our goals for post RV. Our time grows near. Good morning and even as you read these words your reward is on the way.





 

anyone have frank notes I couldnt get the video to work


 

CURLY- I JUST FINISHED LISTENING TO IT, FRANK IS SAYING WATCH THE 15TH THROUGH THE 21ST AND THE 1ST THROUGH THE 1OTH OF SEPTEMBER. HE STATED IRAQ HAS RV'ED IN THE PAST IN APRIL AND SEPTEMBER

Frank - From memory - The Atm's with the lower notes go into effect on or about the 21st of this month- this cannot happen without a new rate. This date is also when the employers pay their workers on a new pay scale - Time Will Tell


 

I HEARD HIM SAY THE ATM'S WOULD BE LOADED ON THE 2OTH. IT IS A MATTER OF TIME, MY FRIENDS. WE GET CLOSER AS EACH DAY PASSES AND I'M EXCITED.

not going to be excited til we get closer but I have been sorting thru stuff at the house so something is in the air,,,lolol I have lived with boxes in each room for 3 years getting tired of them,,,,,thought i would of moved long before now

RC love your excitement-thanks for the continual feed of updates Sandnsea. always lurking and appreciate what everybody brings-sorry I have nothing to contribute


 

I notice I stop living life when I get too invlved over here so got to keep a balance. I went and got a job lolol that is suppose to make u normal lolol. ok time for bed i work nites so better get a nap

RC, MG says the new cards won't have any new IQD on them, but they are will be used only for security codes. She explains in detail in yesterdays message. Just a thought in case Frank's information does not come true. Each day brings us closer and for that I'm grateful

It appears when Bill cleaned house he removed a number of subjects from just above the chatbox, off for a full day of fishin' y'all take care ya hear!


 

A referendum for Kurdish independence from Iraq is set for September 25. Could this have anything to do with the recent projections of a delayed RV???

According to a Moody's report, the combination of domestic and geopolitical risks affects the government's capacity to service its debt, which weights very heavily on Iraq's rating. "The combination of domestic and geopolitical risks affects the government's capacity to service its debt, which weights very heavily on Iraq's rating," Moody's report read.
It seemed that we were waiting on Mousel, yet with Mousel now in the past, we have apparently moved to resolving the differences between the Kurds and Bagdad. Very confusing! Some
are saying the "cards" have a new rate yet others are saying "no new rate".. again confusing. The only thing we must do is WAIT either patiently or impatiently since "Time will tell!".


 

HI FIREFLY. ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN MISSED !!


 

Well, EVERY 'milestone' we've reached has NOT brought us to the RV! In fact the most obvious "milestone" ... umm ONLY milestone that produces ANY measurable result is the "Daily milestone". As each day spring anew, we are one day closer. That's it. Nothing I've seen has been more measurable than that! ...and that means we've all been guilty of getting our hopes up over meaningless news...

So in my humble opinoin, we'll all do ourselves a favor by NOT getting our hopes up when anyone says anything...then, IF it RV's and we go to the bank, THEN we'll be somewhere!

As you all can tell, I'm frustrated with this elusive event and trying to prognosticate "when" or about when is impossible...for anyone. So I keep encouraging myself with my own "guesses" (who needs or wants a guru-guess?)

12 complete years at the end of next month! I think thats enough


We only get our hopes up because people on sites report us their Intel says the RV is coming

i guess ole ray just listens to frank now......a complete regurgitation of last nights call info. Lol
wow...everybody got so excited for ray rens update....it got put in the forum 3 times and in chat once......when rr speaks ,people lose bladder control i guess.




Hardly - just timing


 

sand i was just joking.....most do fall all over him though


 

LOL TOOLFAN, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS WILL GET ALL EXCITED OVER ANY LITTLE THING AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WITH HOW LONG A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THIS. OTHERWISE I DO AGREE WITH YOU


 

gkel been here since 2004

Tool, I stopped listening to RR conference calls about 6 months ago. His tweet came out as I was posting information from Frank & Delta, so I just posted Rays.


 

1cam i do know that.....just was funny it got posted so many times....ironically enough it was a direct reading of franks call last night

Very true Tool. He's got to get his info from somewhere! Lol!

Yes it is! Many are frustrated and concerned about the quietness. These are golden times. With all the false hype from previous years, I appreciate the real substance!

YES I AGREE, I RATER IT BE QUIET THAN THE LIES AND BS PUT OUT BY THE GURUS

Hi guys! I for one needed a little hopium this day, and RR just tweeted some. For those who need some koolaid, too; take a look. (someone in here posts his stuff, right?)


 

Agree that r's tweet is suspiciously congruent w/ Frank's last night. Maybe r is just getting lazy. Idk. Gonna start thinking of you two as the Bopsy Twins. lol. (Maybe you are both too young to remember those stories from yesteryear). lol again.


 

The lower denoms have been in those ATM's so long they have probably dried out from the heat!!!


 

Hearing good stuff in Iraq from the news articles, lets hope its true. Also in dinarland as well. Just hoping we can still exchange our zim currency.


 

Has Admin Bill had anything to say today

RJPEA- I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM TODAY


 

How can I stop getting the tweets from adminbill

006-I WOULD THINK SEND A STOP TEXT WHEN YOU GET THE TWEET

Getting text at 1230am about a mlm is over the top for me. I need to be snoring at 1230an not answering tweets

006- ADMIN IS JUST TRYING TO HELP FOLKS GET REFOCUSED ON SOMETHING BESIDES THE RV


 

Understand and good for him and those who are into that that's why I ask how to stop getting them


 

006,. Send 40404. OFF @WSOMN0629


 

It's just my opinion but MLM opps are hardly the way to generate funds for the majority in this chat room


 

DOW =22,065.34 -33.04 -0.15%, S&P 500 =24,474.92 -5.99 -0.25%, Nasdaq 6,370.46 -13.31 -0.21%, GlobalDow -3.98 -0.14%, Gold +1.50 +0.14%, Oil 48.96 -0.43 -0.87% Could this be the start of the grea fall?


 

Anyone else receive a letter from The Dept of Justice, Atlanta, GA re: Sterling currency??? I just got mine. Maybe we will see something out of this. Smile


 

RaginCajun wrote
9m ago
LUCY- I DID OVER I YEAR AGO

Rajin: Wow! Maybe they go alphabetically? I'm a V!!! I'll go to the website, and respond today. YAY!!!!


 

Ted1016 ... Or just maybe uncertainty about North Korea???

The crash will occur, we just don't know if it will be before or after the RV. A crash could trigger the event. JMO

LUCY- I DID NOT RESPONSE AND WILL NOT

Ragin: Why not? You are legally entitled to receive, at least, part of your money back.


 

RIP GLENN TRY A LITTLE KINDNESS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCBTSQZq1E


 

https://post.craigslist.org/u/1Gor7Zx85xGCNCtJcqK9Pg/5qcdd My Craigslist listing for my tool box If anyone is interested.


 

Well I promosed my grandson that I would help with his college tuition and the main this is I still have the tools that went in it afterthe RV i will buy another tool box.

Oh, BTW the current price for that particulr tool box new is 7K I paid 5K for mine when I bought it.

GE, TED...I SURE WISH I COULD HELP WITH THE TOOLBOX...

That's OK dp, the big thing was just taking up space in my garage for the lat 10 years or so


 

006
Did bruce do his intel




 

Not yet He has to make money off his callers frst.


 

I heard the Shuman earth resonance is up to quadruple and people are very edgy from the energy. It's so high that when they put calm monkeys in it they attacked themselves !?Interesting !!!


 

Bruce's call has changed to promoting products, lol Bruce makes money off of all the stuff Bob and Sue push on everyone. lol




 

Osmosis He'll (and all the others) will keep dreaming this stuff up as long as there are peeps who keep flocking like lemmings to their cc's like moths to a light bulb at night.

If you all spent the time to try and cultivate any type contact you would understand... That being said... I listen to No calls myself... But I also do not judge the bringers of what they are told... They only hope to help with the stress. Bruce has a good heart... Havent listened to him in a few years... But he cares


 

Not many come in chat anymore it seems