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Friday, July 28, 2017

IQD CHAT, 28 JULY

chattels: good morning all

chattels: Monitors call on US to halt assistance to Iraqi unit for abuse allegations By Rudaw http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/28072017

chattels: The problem with the foregoing and an enemy like DAESH is that they will commit greater atrocities then the Iraqis if not stopped by the Iraqis and the Iraqis may be stopped or delayed by the suspension of funding. Investigate aggressively, but the sooner DAESH is destroyed the fewer innocent Iraqis will die.

chattels: Mr. Maliki making speech this morning.

http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=64282
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chattels: What Does The Future Hold For Iraq's Kirkuk Province ? July 27, 20174:30 PM ET Heard on All Things Considered - The Iraqi province Kirkuk is facing an ISIS insurgency, thousands of displaced people, and tensions between Arab and Kurdish residents. NPR's Robert Siegel talks with Kirkuk Governor Najmaldin Karim.

 http://www.npr.org/2017/07/27/539825467/what-does-the-future-hold-for-iraq-s-kirkuk-province

chattels: " ............ there is another referendum that's never happened that was called for in the Iraqi Constitution that would determine whether Kirkuk is part of Kurdistan or whether it's not part of Kurdistan. When is that referendum ever going to happen ?"

chattels: " Really it has been the Iraqi government that has stood in the way of implementing Article 140 because Article 140 is constitutional."

chattels: " .............our governing council voted and sent a letter to the Iraqi prime ministers to tell us when that referendum will be. And the answer is, well, we can't do it because we haven't had the census."

chattels: Patrick Osgood‏Verified account @PatrickOsgood 39m39 minutes ago Patrick Osgood Retweeted Kirkuk News Desk Interestingly, Karim floats prospect of some accommodation on referendum timing.Patrick Osgood added, K

chattels: " KARIM: Well, I think what we hear from the Americans is actually, this is not the right time. Maybe it should be done after the elections - Iraqi parliamentary elections. So there is an acceptance of it. It's just about the timing. And hopefully we can end up with a resolution or a solution to this issue that will be acceptable to the Kurds, acceptable to the Americans and other friends of Kurds, and also the Iraqi government."

chattels: ANALYSIS: Threat of war hangs over Kurdish independence vote #Kurds Iraqi Kurdistan's referendum will include disputed areas such as Sinjar and Kirkuk, and betray divisions between Kurdish groups

 http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uphill-struggles-faces-iraqi-kurdistan-run-independence-referendum-1450988794

chattels: "The referendum in 2005 was arranged and campaigned for by civil society organizations," he explained. "This one is formal and held by the government and political parties. "This one is binding and the other was not."

chattels: "We don’t want to accept being their subordinate. This is in order to prevent a bigger problem, to prevent a bloody war, and the deterioration of the security of the whole region.

chattels: "They [KRG] would fight for Kirkuk certainly, and probably Sinjar as well," David M Witty, analyst and former US Army Special Forces Colonel, told Middle East Eye.

chattels: "I think the Peshmerga would probably prevail," said Witty. "The Iraqi forces are just worn out - on paper they should win, but in reality, probably not."

chattels: For the first time maybe ever it seems like Kurdistan is a more valuable friend for outside powers than Baghdad - Nate Rabkin, analyst

chattels: ............ conflict between Baghdad and Erbil - not to mention the numerous other factions with their own competing interests - starts to look increasingly likely. "I think it definitely raises the risk of violence in the disputed territories but I don't think it necessarily means that things have to go in a violent way," said Rabkin.

"I think that both the KRG and Baghdad and many of the Shia PMU leaders would much prefer to avoid any violent clashes there."

"But given the past rhetoric on both sides and the passions this enflames and of course just how many different armed groups you have acting there, especially on the pro-government side, I think there's a real potential for a miscalculation or a misunderstanding, leading to ugly violence in one or more of these areas."

spanki: seems to me that the kurds could war over the disputed territory, their military is better
spanki: they keep threatening to split anyway

chattels: Off to court, laterz all.
chattels: @spanki gm
spanki: later c - good luck
spanki: hey

chattels: @spanki tyvm, but my client likely hopes that the outcome has less to do with luck and more to do with my preparedness :)
spanki: of course u r prepared !!

xyz: Kubish discusses with Abadi and al-Amiri referendum on independence of Kurdistan

http://translate.google.com/translate?sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php%3Fstoryid%3D64283

The Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Iraq, Jan Kubic, met separately with Prime Minister Haider al-Abbadi and Secretary-General of the Badr Organization, leader of the Popular Rally MP Hadi al-Amiri.

A statement by the United Nations Mission in Iraq [UNAMI] a copy of it released today that Kubish met with Abadi yesterday and discussed "topics of national reconciliation and the referendum on independence in the Kurdistan region and other political developments.
" They also discussed "Iraq's participation in the next session of the UN General Assembly". Kubic discussed with Amiri in another meeting, "Issues related to the liberation processes and the latest political developments, in addition to the referendum on independence in the Kurdistan region." There was no statement from the office of Abadi or Amiri about these meetings.

Whitelions: @chattels that's a lot of one sided news I know you favor the kurds but there are other tribes that live in Iraq an they are coming together to unite as one country that's the only way they can move forward in this world no matter how you feel , yes they were wronged and that's not a strong enough word but now they all need to heel for the future of the children .

Whitelions: Iraq and the world has to get over what was and deal with the now to get to the future and they are not the only ones so do we .

Whitelions: in this room

Baxter: Ho Hum... another Dinar Day... Maliki... the Kurds... Isis... Article 140... Erbil... to Rv or Not Rv... To Float.. or not to Float.. will it ever end...?? Probably not in our lifetime.....time to go to Wally World....

chattels: @Whitelions I am a confessed and unabashed Kurdish sympathizer it is true.

chattels: @Whitelions Nevertheless, i do think that Baghdad / Iraq is a failed state in the near and longer term.

chattels: We shall see what is best for the region. I do not profess to know.

chattels: Of course, I hope that whatever the outcome that it allows for some success for our currency speculation.

chattels: Would that we all could prosper, but history tells us too many times of winners and losers.

D-HB @chattels with all that needs to be done over there,non-currencywise or non-monetarywise(electricity/rebuilding/etc), one needs to look past their speculation. I think the country needs to get back on their feet in other areas before they will truly worry about their exchange rate.

A dinar is still a dinar and always will be a dinar, no matter what it is worth over here. A rise in the value 'to us' won't help them rebuild their country, imo

spanki: 5-10 yrs to get on their feet--

chattels: @D-HB " A rise in the value 'to us' won't help them rebuild their country, imo " - I tend to share your opinion.

D-HB: @chattels do you also agree that they need to rebuild in other non-monetary areas before they worry about it?

chattels: @D-HB My hope is that there is a macroeconomic " deus ex machina " which may allow for some greater value sooner rather than later. Otherwise I will consign my dinar to my children or my children's children.

D-HB: @chattels forgive my ignorance and/or stupidity, but what does macroeconomic " deus ex machina mean?

chattels: @D-HB Money makes the world go around. Iraq must first control their borders, rebuild and function as an inclusive government.

D-HB: my hope is that we will see 'something' because of them saying in articles that they will increase the value....."soon"

chattels: @D-HB Iraq needs money to do the first two items on my list.

D-HB: they have money. It's just not at a high enough value to 'us'. A dinar is still a dinar, right?

chattels: @D-HB Macroeconomics is a branch of the economics field that studies how the aggregate economy behaves. In macroeconomics, a variety of economy-wide phenomena is thoroughly examined such as, inflation, price levels, rate of growth, national income, gross domestic product and changes in unemployment. It focuses on trends in the economy and how the economy moves as a whole.

AND " deus ex machina " : 1 : a god introduced by means of a crane (see 1crane 3a) in ancient Greek and Roman drama to decide the final outcome 2 : a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty
" They also discussed "Iraq's participation in the next session of the UN General Assembly". Kubic discussed with Amiri in another meeting, "Issues related to the liberation processes and the latest political developments, in addition to the referendum on independence in the Kurdistan region." There was no statement from the office of Abadi or Amiri about these meetings.

Whitelions: @chattels that's a lot of one sided news I know you favor the kurds but there are other tribes that live in Iraq an they are coming together to unite as one country that's the only way they can move forward in this world no matter how you feel , yes they were wronged and that's not a strong enough word but now they all need to heel for the future of the children .

Whitelions: Iraq and the world has to get over what was and deal with the now to get to the future and they are not the only ones so do we .

Whitelions: in this room

Baxter: Ho Hum... another Dinar Day... Maliki... the Kurds... Isis... Article 140... Erbil... to Rv or Not Rv... To Float.. or not to Float.. will it ever end...?? Probably not in our lifetime.....time to go to Wally World....

chattels: @Whitelions I am a confessed and unabashed Kurdish sympathizer it is true.

chattels: @Whitelions Nevertheless, i do think that Baghdad / Iraq is a failed state in the near and longer term.

chattels: We shall see what is best for the region. I do not profess to know.

chattels: Of course, I hope that whatever the outcome that it allows for some success for our currency speculation.

chattels: Would that we all could prosper, but history tells us too many times of winners and losers.

D-HB @chattels with all that needs to be done over there,non-currencywise or non-monetarywise(electricity/rebuilding/etc), one needs to look past their speculation. I think the country needs to get back on their feet in other areas before they will truly worry about their exchange rate.

A dinar is still a dinar and always will be a dinar, no matter what it is worth over here. A rise in the value 'to us' won't help them rebuild their country, imo

spanki: 5-10 yrs to get on their feet--

chattels: @D-HB " A rise in the value 'to us' won't help them rebuild their country, imo " - I tend to share your opinion.

D-HB: @chattels do you also agree that they need to rebuild in other non-monetary areas before they worry about it?

chattels: @D-HB My hope is that there is a macroeconomic " deus ex machina " which may allow for some greater value sooner rather than later. Otherwise I will consign my dinar to my children or my children's children.

D-HB: @chattels forgive my ignorance and/or stupidity, but what does macroeconomic " deus ex machina mean?

chattels: @D-HB Money makes the world go around. Iraq must first control their borders, rebuild and function as an inclusive government.

D-HB: my hope is that we will see 'something' because of them saying in articles that they will increase the value....."soon"

chattels: @D-HB Iraq needs money to do the first two items on my list.

D-HB: they have money. It's just not at a high enough value to 'us'. A dinar is still a dinar, right?

chattels: @D-HB Macroeconomics is a branch of the economics field that studies how the aggregate economy behaves. In macroeconomics, a variety of economy-wide phenomena is thoroughly examined such as, inflation, price levels, rate of growth, national income, gross domestic product and changes in unemployment. It focuses on trends in the economy and how the economy moves as a whole.

AND " deus ex machina " : 1 : a god introduced by means of a crane (see 1crane 3a) in ancient Greek and Roman drama to decide the final outcome 2 : a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty
D-HB: @chattels I'll take your word for it, as I have a real problem trying to even understand that definition ;:));

Doug_W: trust him he's right D-HB

D-HB @Doug_W I always have trusted his words in this thing. Chattels IS one of the good guys

chattels: @D-HB We will call it divine intervention in the economic affairs of men that favors our needed / desired outcome.

D-HB@chattels gotcha, better 'cliff notes' of the definition lol

chattels: @D-HB :)

D-HB: @chattels at the same time, any 'divine intervention' is still left up to 'man' in the end.

chattels: @D-HB Very astute, thus the use of the word " contrived " in the definitions / meanings that I gave you I think.

D-HB: @chattels gotcha, ergo your DAESH interpretation. Was wondering if that was a misprint at first lol

BlackGold: As far as the RV goes, there won't be any divine intervention, it will happen after the " Powers That Be " have exhausted all possiblities of holding up this RV. There is a joke in Europe. The USA does all the wrong things before they do the right one.

Spectra: The actions of our Goverment and the way they use our money is very swine like!

BlackGold: I don't understand why our government simply doesn't say, We don't have the Funds for it in our budget. They do it with everything else

Spectra: bribes

BlackGold: @Brow i know what you mean, but i'm not going to try and judge who is faking and who isn't. Its our whimpy society

BlackGold: @Brow Remember, we can't play Dodge Ball anymore in school
BlackGold: @Spectra true

Brow: @BlackGold - True
Brow: @Spectra - True

Spectra: Kurdish conference in Washington today 6:07 AM ADMIN Washington/ Iraq TradeLink: The US capital, Washington, is witnessing today holding a conference on the Kurdish referendum and independence.

 The conference is held under the motto "Kurdistan Strategic Ally to America", which shall be attended by US politicians and military personnel. It will be attended by the Kurdish Security Advisor Masrour Barzani and Kirkuk Governor Najm al-din Kareem.

The one-day conference is held in cooperation between Kurdistan 24 Media Establishment and Washington Times daily, which will tackle the questions of referendum, independence and bilateral relations between Washington and Arbil. The paper published a special supplement on the independence of the Kurdish region, with articles discussing the referendum question.

The Kurds are looking for this referendum, due 25 September,2017,that will enable them to achieve their long-aspired dream of independence. The holding of this conference comes within the frame work of

Spectra: Looks like this might be what the hold up could about! Just taking a guess!

Doug_W: sure would love 2 B a fly on that wall

BlackGold: the Kurds keep getting screwed by Iraq but they have no Idea who they are playing with dealing with the US. I believe the US doesn't trust Iraq to back our dollar with oil and to maintain control will be too costly, so they figured we can get a small hold by helping the kurds.

BlackGold: Thats my take and I'm sticking to it

Spectra: The Kurds are looking for this referendum, due 25 September,2017,that will enable them to achieve their long-aspired dream of independence. The holding of this conference comes within the frame work of Kurdish attempts to explain their goals to world decision makers.

Doug_W: @BlackGold AND she thinks my tractor is sexy LOL

BlackGold: kuwait on one side and kurds on the other
Spectra: this is not very far from now!
BlackGold: lol
Spectra: september 25th
BlackGold: @Doug_W lol
 
BlackGold: I just pray we get to see some one the funds from the RV
BlackGold: well people I'm off to work for a few hours
BlackGold: Have a bless day
Spectra: @BlackGold ok have a nice day

Brow: @Spectra - A true story-When My Nephew & his wife had their Child & he was 1 or 2 years of age don't remember His age But He could barely Talk-Who Didn't Know Me or My Name-My Nephew & Wife was in their Living Room were they had a Cross hanging on the Wall & their Child point up To It & Said My Name-It Blew Their Minds & They Had To Call Me & Let Me Know what He said- True Story Believe It or Not

Spectra: @Brow Amazing ! how is the question?
Spectra: @Brow And what does this mean!
Spectra: @Brow Did the child know you were working on the side of God?
BobS: BAGHDAD,— High-ranking Iraqi security officials say up to 7,000 Islamic State group affiliates remain in Iraq after the fall of Mosul, where the group’s leader declared the self-styled caliphate three years ago.

Three intelligence and defense officials also told The Associated Press there are an estimated 4,000 militants in addition to 3,000 supporters who were employed by the group and received salaries. In Syria, there are up to 7,000 militants and 5,000 supporters, they say. The officials spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the press.

In the summer last year, the Pentagon claimed the military campaigns in Iraq and Syria had taken 45,000 enemy combatants off the battlefield and reduced the total number of Islamic State fighters to about 15,000.

Spectra: @Brow Some times we underestimate the knowledge our children are born with...innately!

Doug_W: so another "unnamed" source
BobS: no no.......that is the name....unnamed.....lol

Brow: @Spectra - Before Birth up to 5yrs Old is the Most Important time of Their Life-That the Years that Shape them & yes they see things & hear things We can't

Spectra: @Brow i agree!

txbrand: http://truepundit.com/congress-calls-for-special-counsel-for-criminal-investigation-of-hillary-clinton-comey-lynch-2016-election-collusion/ House Judiciary Republicans Call For Second Special Counsel To Investigate Clinton, Comey, Lynch ;oh;

txbrand: ;clap

txbrand: http://truepundit.com/congress-calls-for-special-counsel-for-criminal-investigation-of-hillary-clinton-comey-lynch-2016-election-collusion/ House Judiciary Republicans Call For Second Special Counsel To Investigate Clinton, Comey, Lynch ;oh;

txbrand: ;clap

txbrand: she is talking about it ....love her...lol

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2017/07/28/the-andrea-shea-king-show

BobS: agreed to Cairo and Amman on joint industrial cooperation for the reconstruction of Iraq and Syria. The agreement was announced and Egyptian Minister of Industry Tariq Cain in particular for the "seventh day" of Jordan 's statements during the work of the Joint Higher Committee between Egypt and Jordan.

World Bank report published recently revealed that the total losses of the Syrian economy is estimated at $ 226 billion, the report said residential areas were destroyed or partially damaged by the war by about 27%.

While, the cost of the reconstruction of areas affected by the war in Iraq, about $ 100 billion international institutions estimated. It began many countries and companies are considering the huge stage of reconstruction projects that will take place in Syria and Iraq, despite the continuation of the war.

spanki: https://iraqcurrencywatch.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/cc-with-nash-and-shelly.mp3

Doug_W: is that yet another CC Spank or the some one as before?
spanki: same
Doug_W: ok TY
spanki: lotta info

Spectra: hows about some new BS FROM IRAQ?? SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!

Spectra: Congress threatens to cut payments to Iraqi Kurds if they break with Baghdad Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/06/congress-threat-payments-krg-kurdistan-referendum-iraq.html#ixzz4o9SOe4ZF

Spectra: The House Armed Services Committee released a draft annual defense bill this week that makes continued funding for the KRG “contingent” upon Erbil’s “participation in the government of a unified Iraq.” This summary language is not legally binding but signals congressional intent to the Donald Trump administration.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/06/congress-threat-payments-krg-kurdistan-referendum-iraq.html#ixzz4o9SUDJeg

Spectra: “The committee notes that funding provided to the [KRG] is to enhance Government of Iraq-KRG cooperation and support a unified effort to counter the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL),” the draft National Defense Authorization Act reads.

 “Such funding should be contingent upon KRG participation in the government of a unified Iraq and on their continued good faith cooperation in the anti-ISIL campaign.”

At risk are hundreds of millions of dollars in annual US support for the peshmerga, who have gone without regular paychecks in the midst of the campaign against the Islamic State (IS) as Erbil struggled with a budget shortfall.

Congress responded last year by allocating $480 million “in stipends and sustainment” to the peshmerga for the current fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.

The new congressional language comes as Erbil is gearing up for a long-awaited independence referendum in September.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/06/congress-threat-payments-krg-kurdistan-referendum-iraq.html#ixzz4o9SZ9j4X

Spectra: Zimbabwe: Gold Reserves to Back Currency 28 JULY 2017 Government is building diamond and gold reserves to back the local currency upon its re-introduction in future, Vice-President Emmerson Mnangagwa has said.

VP Mnangagwa refused to disclose when the local currency would be re-introduced, but said it would only come back when mineral reserves reached desired levels.

spectra: we may want to buy some of the NEW ZIMS! :) :yes:
Cree: @Doug_W yep.....
Doug_W: no more currency speculations 4 me
Spectra: LOL 
​Cree: @Spectra For me, I have enough currency. I am not interested in running after the Zim any longer.... But for those who are interested....

Spectra: We are building reserves of gold and diamonds which if they reach a certain level I will not tell you here, it will then allow us to introduce our own currency that will be backed by those minerals. I am not at liberty to disclose to you the level that we want those minerals to reach before they can back our own currency," said VP Mnangagwa.

He narrated the history of cash shortages in Zimbabwe saying problems started after the country embarked on the land reform programme.

He said Government introduced bond notes to plug the smuggling of the US dollar outside the country. "We only get foreign currency when we export something or through NGOs that come into our country.

Forex also comes from bilateral and multilateral financial support or through Foreign Direct Investment and if we do not get this there will be no forex because the US dollar that we are using is a reserve currency," he said.

VP Mnangagwa also said Government was concerned that bond notes were now being found in some neighbouring countries, saying investigations of how they ended up there were ongoing. He revealed that the Chiredzi leg of his ministry's visit was the first in a series of nationwide new Constitution advocacy meetings at district level.

​ http://allafrica.com/stories/2.....8.html

Spectra: @Cree RIGHT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING

Cree: @Spectra We still have Dinarland friends buying the DEAD Zims and praying for it to be worth something. Too many desperate people. I feel for them but feel they are throwing away their money......

Spectra: @Cree Well they shouldn't be doing it!

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