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Friday, January 8, 2016

TNT CHAT UPDATE, 8 JAN

TNT : 

TennWolfMan: intel today is as quite as a cemetery

Crushr13:  With China doing all that they are doing, and with the supposed announcement about Vietnam making a currency announcement in the next 48 hours (almost up now), and the 2 economies being so related by commerce, I wonder if the Vietnam announcement might be the trigger for all of this, with China at the indirect controls. Just a wild thought - just trying to put a few pieces together, somewhat intelligently.

OKRocks: crusher they are certainly connected but its when they really show it not when they say they will.... you know... lol 

LAdyB22:  Bruce said hopefully ..... the hold ups have all been sequestered.

Peaches1 : BREAKING: All major indexes turn negative; energy weighs as oil approaches 12-yr low http://www.cnbc.com/

Luvwulfs : the way I see it all markets have to go to their real value, not the inflated value, before a reset. Just guessing.



OK Rocks: BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS...SO I WILL REPEAT...FYI ABOUT THEIR GAZETTE - THEY HAVE NOT UPDATED IT YET....  laws shall be published in the gazette and shall take effect on the date of their publication, unless stipulated otherwise. It is published by the Ministry of Justice.  http://www.moj.gov.iq/

THEY ARE NOT SHOWING ANYTHING NEW SINCE NOV 30, 2015... STILL WAITING FOR IT...https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moj.gov.iq%2F&edit-text=

Too, in all my years in this they dont PUBLISH the Gazette but once a week On Wednesdays... So it could be done, just not published yet...

This last one was No. 4389 issued on Nov 30 2015 and Published on 12/21/2015 09:39:00 (Click on Image there) .... The Council of Ministers Resolution No. 400 of 2015 on the adoption of payroll and annual bonuses average number (400)https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moj.gov.iq%2Fview.1989%2F&sandbox=1
 
OR maybe its hidden underneath this one where I cannot see it lol BUT I think it would have a later date then Dec 21??

It could be in the gazette (their law book)... but it just has not been PUBLISHED yet... It has to be published to be implemented... and I believe they will not Publish it til they RV or shortly thereafter

Danblessed :  Okrocks strange why they haven't published a gazette since 11-30-15    

OKRocks :  Danblessed I think so too! it could be its so chocked full of goodies they cant until they rv...hmmm

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Banditjumps2013 :  on cnbc they just recommended that movie the short

EarJocky:  China is actively causing the economic changes we are seeing using their currency devaluations. Don't make the mistake of assuming these changes are random in the markets.

JSL: earjockey I think your right, I hate to say it but it is part of an Ugly divorce going on in the Power structure of the world right now, Certain western entities are kicking and screaming all the way through the procedure. Some know what I am talking about. But the truth is tha False marraige should have never been entered into over 100 years ago anyway. Now we are finding out it was not a faithful relationship from the start. If you know what I mean

EarJocky:  The USA benefits from a weaker dollar, drops in the yuan runs dramatically counter to the USA production/jobs/growth/earnings. We get to buy cheaper stuff but when did shopping make anyone wealthier? They are giving us right hooks and left jabs.

The RV gives the USD an immediate shot in the arm and gives the US some breathing room in a debt based economy to increase the dynamic range between debt and revenue. So the USD for a short period will actually increase in value after an RV until the new revenues start getting paid-forward (PIF). Then the dollar will start to drop as it begins to yield goods and services.

Of course this pretty little outcome depends on the US PIF domestically.

If you want to really do some good create some good paying jobs by opening up your current job to someone else and creating some new ones.

Drakechap:  earjockey, i get that and if seems like this will help everyone everywhere. So there should be no reason for the hold up. we have too much sainty to understand the sanity!!

Earjocky:  Drake the missing part that are impossible to truly get a handle on are the personal and political interests of powerful people and organizations.

KArmaking:  It's a big thing that's collapsing. Some will see it as a collapse, for those who have been working it, it has been a dismantling. And also, to us, it's been like watching a big baby being born.

Ice:  how does a country like Iraq....having more oil and other assets than just about everyone else...live in poverty? and not like Kuait. ..Saudi arabia...befuddled the mind...

Earjocky:   Ice Iraq has over the decades become a giant piggy bank of the world. Saddam kept it in his closet and now the global family of countries are fighting over it for their economic salvation. Our dinar represent a share of interest and we wait for the probate to be settled and the will to read to the heirs. We happen to be last in line.

JSL: Maybe today while one of our Big Buddies is Driving his ball out on the Golf course someone in the Sun and Sand He will feel this Impending Urge to Cry Out That's Enough Folks!!! Lets get a Hole in One Today!! And all His advivors Will Put it to Action!! And we willl Say See Ya at the Exchange Center

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Taxmom:  Bix Weir on Chinese Markets

So funny. China has finally figured out that you don't telegraph to the world that you are going to rig the stock market - you do exactly the opposite!

Yesterday they said they were going to remove all the stop loss/support mechanisms so everyone was expecting the Chinese stock market to get destroyed today. When it opened it started to crash quickly but then an "Invisible Hand" came in and started buying massive amounts of stock to make the exchange close up on the day.

A play right out of the US Riggers playbook...make the markets LOOK like they are functioning on their own and don't tell anybody that it is being rigged.
Let's see how long this lasts.

Bix Weir <bix@roadtoroota.com>

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 8 JAN

1-8-2016   Intel Guru Frank26   Vietnam has actually bowed and will be walking away from a fixed currency...fixed for many decades...you are telling us to make it a free float...yes...a free float that certainly won’t go downward...go to the Central Bank of Vietnam...what they are doing right before your eyes is exactly what Iraq is doing.

1-8-2016   Newshound Guru Admin Bob
   Article:   "Central bank: Stamping contracted 10 000 specie to diversify their savings and get a 24 carat gold"   Quote:  "...a confirmation of his announcement earlier intention to sell gold different weights for those wishing to purchase it from the citizens..."     Sure looks like this is part of the plan to get the dinar out of the citizens homes.   ...a means of consolidation which is a very basic but effective plan to exchange a manageable Iraq gold coin for dinar.  With trillions of dinar held by citizens, they should jump at the chance to get rid of it.

1-8-2016   Newshound Guru wmawhite   "The bank said it "received the first category of these coins that are weighing 15 grams..."  So I read a comparison of 250 dinar with 22 grams for a gold coin.  22grams = 0.77 oz.   so...250 = approximately $800.  $3.22 per IQD.  Based upon the spot price of gold at $1,100 per oz.  Something going on...not sure what it is.

1-8-2016   Newshound Guru rcookie  THINK IVE GOT NEWS THAT LD'S AND GOLD OUT AT BANKS FOR DISBURSEMENT...  Article quotes:  "in order to diversify the public savings and to ensure receiving a gold 24 carat has contracted with an international company..."  "received the first category of these coins that are weighing 15 grams," "It calls for central banks to buy gold Meskukath and confirms the arrival of specie 100 dinars..."   ITS THE GOLD TO GET ACCOUNTS OPEN...TO GET MONEY IN CITIZEN MATTRESSES OFF STREET AND IN BANKS...INCREASE LIQUIDITY TO FINISH MONETARY REFORM...AWESOME NEWS! Turning point for sure!

1-8-2016   Newshound Guru Kaperoni   Article: "Central bank: Stamping contracted 10 000 specie to diversify their savings and get a 24 carat gold"   Quote:  "...a confirmation of his announcement earlier intention to sell gold different weights for those wishing to purchase it from the citizens..."  Just think of all the dinar the CBI will collect selling these coins.  We are beginning to see some momentum.  If you think about it, Iraqi's are giving up a big stack of worn out paper for a coin.  20 million dinar is like 26 coins.  Much easier.

1-8-2016   Newshound Guru BGG    [SMART CARDS BEING LOADED HAS TO BE A GREAT THING? CAN THEY MAKE THAT WORK AT 1182?]   it is not impossible for them to make the smart cards work at 1182 - I don't get why they would though?   [would they have to be international currency for the smart cards? To cross borders to pay in other countries?]  they don't have to - but they will.

KTFA CC NOTES, 8 JAN

KTFA : 

Aggiedad77:  Here are the notes from last night's CC Family....enjoy
Aloha Randy

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CC NOTES Thursday Dessert Notes 01-07-2016

Frank26:  It’s time to go into a little dessert. Let’s get to work right away.

I would like to really quickly say hello to PMAC….you were asking about Vietnam….you brought a link onto our forum….a very good link by the way….Vietnam is growing without it’s big brother telling it what to do…


Vietnam has actually bowed and will be walking away from a fixed currency…..fixed for many decades…..you are telling us to make it a free float….really….yes……a free float that certainly won’t go downward….you do much business with us…..and you don’t want to see it go down….but instead go up…you want our currency to improve don’t you…..we were once enemies….well our governments were enemies…..

Good Morning Vietnam…..go to the Central Bank of Vietnam…..don’t pay attention hype or rumors….what they are doing right before your eyes is exactly what Iraq is doing…..ok, not mirror images….but they might as well be in synchronization….

Yesterday I told you that there was a problem with what was going on with North Korea….if you have that problem with China who never helps the little brother Vietnam….but always helps the big brother North Korea…why…..of course you know why….it’s theater power, it’s military power, it’s financial power, it’s dominating power, it’s political power…..because they are communist and we are a democracy…..

IMO…because they didn’t pay attention to Vietnam….they are going to pay a lot more attention to North Korea….so North Korea decides to show up and set off a hydrogen bomb….you can’t turn your backs to this…you will eventually breathe that air eventually….may I suggest you start to study South Korea….their bases….do they grow….find out the population…put some graphs together.

Frank told a story about his Father and how he became a prisoner of war in Korea when he worked with intelligence…..why am I relating this….for you to pay attention to South Korea.

I also want to say hello to MountainMan…..greetings…that was a very nice long post….many of you are making long posts….that is great and I read them all….yes MountainMan two classes in high school my teachers just allowed me to teach.

Also blessedkate…..I like that link you brought to us….yes it is about Iran….but that is why I now call Iran the reason for the End Times….I thank you for bringing that to us.

The World Bank says to us that Iraq’s economy is going to grow in 2016 to about 3.1%....that is an increase of almost 2.5%...that is an estimation that is being done for you right now….are you ready for this….with a program rate of 1166….well 1182….interesting…..I wonder what type of potential economic growth rate they would have if they went 1 to 1.

They said the reason for this….they said because of the recovery of oil and non oil sectors….actually what is should have said because we got SECURITY and the BBB’s back…..yeah….it actually says that but in a different way…..and it also should say because of Iran.

We showed you yesterday three different articles about Iran in one paper…Iran the shipping ports…..Iran is a pivotal point for many countries to make money with oil….whether it be that Iran is selling it to someone…..or that someone is asking of Iran for something else….these trading doors have been opened….these are the new Roman roads….not at no program rate….a lot is still being done in the Monetary Reform….is this a part of it….why would they tell us this….

Well it is because it is the beginning of the year Frank…..the CBI is sure making a lot of different type of announcements…..yeah but this is the World Bank…..I won’t argue that….but I will tell you the World Bank and the CBI are very close right now….making calculations or arrangements that are necessary….for what…..for the Iraqi dinar to join them……

So why would they have an interest in a vagabond….why would the penthouse come all the way down to the basement….to the dungeon…..to say hello….to do business with you….of course they would if there was money to be made.

There is serious money…..yesterday lifted up a newspaper….stocks are low….but what did we tell you on Monday…..Zebari says the year starts tough but it won’t be that way for the rest of the year….how many times have we told you…..the mechanical functions of Iraq….are the mirror images of the USA….for the last 10 years….becoming Siamese twins…..if their arm moves, my arm moves….if they have a budget….we have a budget.

So let’s move on….this will all make sense….the CBI is making a lot of announcements…..check it out…..To all the licensed banks in Iraq….the CBI wishes to tell you that the transition from the uniform accounts from banks and insurance to…..to what….oh never mind….tell me….to standard measures to an international natural standard operating method…the uniform accounting we have been using is so dogmatic it is so boring…..we are going international now…that is huge…..

The World Bank just gave you an estimate of what we are going to do….I’m telling you double it…..and the CBI makes this announcement to all their banks….hey guys we want you to make sure you have your accounting system in line with international systems….why…..we use chalk boards…what is wrong with that…..guys we got the cities back…..and a few more….no one has said that….Frank hasn’t told anyone….he said….no he didn’t…..he just said….look over at Fallujah…..get the insurance guys….we now have to insure things…oh God are we primitive….they never insured their accounts….in America we call it FDIC….but anyway….we need to be like the big boys.

In accordance with international standards…if you don’t mind….no doubt about it cshessman you put that article out….and in that article there are a lot of activation in that article.

Now all of a sudden we have something else…..see you keep asking me where is the delay……if I said citizens….therein lies the delay….if there is any…..why….as the monetary flow continues it is the citizens who are of extreme value…because they are next….look at your notes….back in the second week of December….we only look at the citizens….for them to have something in their hands……and we still are…..

Today the CBI says….citizens would you like some “coins”….are those LD’s….NO….they are actually lower than LD’s…..whoa…..but they are kind of big aren’t they…..yeah like 50k….but I can’t use the coins to buy bread…..no no….they are mostly for investments….you liar…no no….you want to by a golden coin….a 50k…..and what will I do with it….it’s an investment…you are lying to me….let’s get out of here….no no….how about 100’s, 250’s….how about a 5,000….we can spend those….that is very interesting….but we can only offer a certain amount….

Ok….citizens go home and get all your money….you offered me these things before…the 50k….that jerk Allak….what a bozo….I told him what I’m telling you now….you just want my 000’s…..so if there is any delay it is with the citizens…well what do you expect….you got rid of our Shabibi…..never trusted you….don’t like you….constantly lying…..so citizens kindly consider using not the 50k or the 100k….but the 100, the 250…even a 5,000…

You are catching on….we are at the end…..we need accountability…when we turned in the calculations they asked us how much currency do you have in the streets and we told them….we don’t know….what do you mean…what the FRANK you don’t know…..that knucklehead Frank26 he was looking for a trifect….T&T, LD’s, budget….well don’t tell Frank…but you have the budget it’s in the Gazette….you have the T&T….you have a smart card….yeah it’s right here, but what am I going to do with it….

Look the smart card is embedded with codes for products that you will deal with at the borders or the stores…..look we are sorry about all those other cards….Family they assigned these cards to the citizens they have them and they know it and it is electronic….there is no problem either with putting these coins electronically on the cards….so that when they raise the value they can present them to them.

Those 250 gold coins are only 22 grams….the 100 IQD coins are only 15 grams…..this is exactly what they wanted….purchasing power…..this is actually what we wanted…this is better than the trifecta…..what were the three things…..the LD’s…..but they went past that….these are the fils…..look it up, study it…..that is a penny of a penny….

The lava flow is moving tremendously…..I see your questions….you know very well that the HCL is in the budget….there is another thing you know…there is a rider in the budget…..and there is another thing you know….the T&T is in that budget…and another thing you know…this budget law has been put in the Gazette....so they are trying to convince the citizens this is safe, come on in.

So a lot of international hookups that are occurring right now…the smart cards on the 10th…..but you should also pay attention to something else that has nothing to do with the Iraqi dinar….but has to do with how I started this conference call.

Dismissed with a prayer.

MARTHA UPDATE, 8 JAN

From Martha:  China stopped and leveled and actually added value to the yuan will be curious on IKO'S take on this.

This may have been just a warning shot and more to come.

Stock Market - from Martha

It's 4 am and I'm surfing around and am concerned at what I see. All is quiet again. China closed without further fanfare and at present European markets are all up.

The US markets will probably follow suit, so was this just a minor correction or is there more to come Sunday night?

Is this enough to shock the world markets or are we in for more?

Yes China removed the breakers but didn't drop down but leveled. They also increased the value of the yuan.


Has the US cried "foul" or are we just in the beginnings of a controlled free fall.
I'm not sure if we will see the RV just yet.

Next step will be Iraq's announcement but when? Will they be held back again?
I'm not trying to be negative but realistic. I know there is an ultimatum for Monday completion. Is it going to take another round of "drops" and even a total collapse of the system.

My take is we may not be where we need to be just yet.

Remember we need announcements, emails and codes so that we can go to the bank.

Sunday, when China re-open it's markets will be more telling of where we are and where we are headed.

BRUCE CC : INTEL ONLY, 8 JAN

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ploganea wrote Bruce: Supposed to have gone on Jan 1st. But didn't. We think it is here almost every night but things come up to put if off a little. That is why we keep hearing soon and then doesn't happen. Tomorrow is the 8th, China likes 8. 8 is the beginning.
Bruce: Why is China's market sliding? He thinks that China may be getting back at certain people. He thinks that will continue tonight.


Bruce: If currency get's devalued, say 7%, they will not stop the slide. That is what he heard. China's dive goes to Europe and then US markets.
Bruce: Market adjustments are happening for a reason. Maybe they have to get to a certain point. Tomorrow will be interesting. Maybe a precipitous slide. We were off track for a day but we are back on track. Iraq budget has been published in the gazette. Laws there.
Bruce: Believes that all Iraq needs to do is make the announcement. Is IMF hold them off? He has heard may be asked to hold off until Sat. He heard that the announcement will be Sat and the RV next.  Is there a hold up or things that needed to be done. Certain people have been sequestered in the last few days. Bruce beleives that everyone who needs to be sequestered has and that is why it didn't go right away.


Bruce: Key cards were not completely working because of computer chips in the Qi cards. So today they have compensated for that problem by issuing 50 and 100 coins that are out and being used.
Bruce: Coins will be used in addition to cards until RV. He has heard that from boots on the ground. The 50,000 dinar note is out as are LD and freely used. So everything inside of Iraq has been done except the international announcement making Iraq a truly international trading partner. That announcement should be the trigger to go.


Bruce: Some people are telling him RV should be announced tomorrow while some say Saturday. Groups are getting ready. Still moving forward. Everything on track. We could be there very shortly.
Bruce: First heard that bond funding was there but not pay it out until RV goes.
Bruce: they are trying to start the humanitarian and PP and RV all at the same time instead of one after the other.


Bruce: Has heard specific funding to be released but we are waiting.
Bruce: Thanks audience for understanding and stopping the hate mail. His goal is to share info. It might be tomorrow or the weekend but it could be later. Most sources say by this weekend. Bruce tries to discern the truth. China is trying to get this done.
Bruce: Can't talk about rates. Iranian rial is on the screen but exchange can't be completed at this time. Software is in place but they are in the process of re-sequencing/synchronizing rates and financial institutions all over the world. That is what they are doing now.


Caller: Haven't mentioned expiration on Zim. Bruce: Last heard will have 21 days after the RV to exchange. Doesn't expect anyone to wait 3 weeks to exchange. Get in and exchange. They want this done. This helps Zimbabwe. Puts them on the map and levels the playing field for them.


This is what will happen. 7 states with no WF. When it happens, get the closest exchange center to you. If you are going to do something with WF and aren't in a group, don't worry, you will call in with zip code. Don't worry about this.

Al Hodges update 1/7/2016, 8 JAN

Al Hodges update 1/7/2016

As most of you are aware, I represent Mr. Michael C. Cottrell who will be responsible, under the Gold Treaty, to implement the U.S. Dollar Refunding Project.

In the course of such representation we of course engage in a continuing colloquy. Today, in hopes of shedding some further light on what is occurring in the background, I want to share a few items with you:

1. Very early this morning I received another inquiry [there have been hundreds of similar] to the effect of “…Shouldn’t we shareholders (and others) be DOING something?”

These are normally received in the obvious context of assisting and hastening the denouement of ER, the WGS and the GCR. I again posited this to Mr. Cottrell, who responded as follows:


THE MOSCOW AGREEMENTS SIGNED IN AUGUST 2013 GAVE BOTH CHINA AND RUSSIA (PUTIN) A WIDE RANGE OF DRACONIAN ACTIONS THAT COULD BE TAKEN IF THE RATS, et al., BALKED OR REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT THE GOLD TREATY.

SINCE AUGUST 2015, WE HAVE SEEN CHINA TAKE DIRECTED ACTION TO DAMAGE AND DESTROY THE FIAT/DERIVATIVE MARKET BY ATTACKING THE CURRENCY VALUATION OF THE FIAT USD AND EURO BY REDUCING THE VALUE OF THE YUAN AND PACKING AS MUCH (USD/EURO) DEBT INTO THEIR MARKETS WHICH ARE ALSO EXPOSED TO THE WESTERN SECURITIES MARKETS.

THIS ACTION HAS PLACED ALL FIAT BASED MARKETS ON A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE, SINCE CHINA NOW ONLY HAS TO MAKE A SLIGHT MOVE — AND LET PANIC DO THE REST.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW — FOR THE LAST FOUR DAYS.

IT IS MY OPINION, THAT THE MARKETS WILL MELT DOWN BY THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK OR SOONER….SINCE THE WESTERN MARKETS HAVE NO RECOURSE OR METHOD TO STABLIZE THE LOWERING OF THE MARK-TO-MARKET PRICING,
e.g., OIL IS CONTINUING TO FALL [BELOW $33 USD TODAY] AND WILL GO LOWER.

THIS DESTABLIZES THE VALUATIONS OF THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS’
PORTFOLIOS MARK-TO-MARKET PRICING. ERGO, THESE PORTFOLIO VALUES WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE TOWARD ZERO ON A STEEP SLOPE —- UNTIL THEY HIT THE WALL OF BANKRUPTCY, AND THE DISSOLUTION OF DERIVATIVE FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE STARTED THE FIGHT —-CHINA AND PUTIN ARE FINISHING THE WAR.

IN MY OPINION, WE WHO, WITH A LOT OF HELP FROM OUR FRIENDS, HAVE STARTED THE FIGHT, NOW NEED TO STAY OUT OF THE GIANT’S SANDBOX UNTIL THE BLOOD IS CLEANED UP—- VIA THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GOLD TREATY AND THE RELEASE OF THE GOLD-BACKED REPUBLIC TREASURY NOTE.

2. This afternoon I forwarded to him a news item entitled “Israel paid GOP senator $1M to sabotage Iran accord” [see:www.presstv.ir/…/iran-nuclear-jcpoa-us-israel-netanyahu-go…/ ] to which he replied as follows:

THESE ARE THE RATS THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT..
THIS SENATOR SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND HANGED ON THE CAPITAL LAWN…..FOR ALL TO SEE WHAT A RAT LOOKS LIKE.
MCC


The import of these two items is simply to advise you that things are proceeding in the background, enormous progress has been made to date, and many if not most of the RATS have been identified [and are being dealt with].

The cracks in the public financial system are there for all to see, and we are now just on the threshold of the heavily constrained main- stream-media joining in. IMO, wide public visibility and our denouement is just around the bend.

My advice – sit back for a week or so and watch the fireworks.

Blessings to all,

Al Hodges

A.Clifton Hodges (CSBN 046803)

E-Mail: al@hodgesandassociates.com

TNT :elmer comments late evening -1/7/2016, 8 JAN

briona wrote
3m ago
China's market is up over 2% as of this time. Was kind of expecting it to be way down. That is why I don't play in the markets.
elmerf123456 wrote
3m ago
Be Ready!!!!!
sabickford wrote
3m ago
Me too. I went to the shabghi Chart and it is still updating now +72.93 as of 10:29
mailboxmoney wrote
3m ago
Thanks Elmer for coming in

elmer, ok! I'm assuming they are just propping up their market, but that is just a guess on my part.

elmerf123456 wrote
3m ago
You know what you been taught. You see the change in the air. The more the people tell you all is normal and back as it should be...the more you should be ready to pop the cork!

Elmer, I don't believe the article posted below. EVERY news service would have picked that up, ESPECIALLY Bloomberg.


elmerf123456 wrote
2m ago
There is a lot of stuff floating around. No pun intended
elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
What you will witness soon enough won't be misinformation but jubilation and you can mark that one down.

thanks elmerf

elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
My eyes are focused on late morning China and Europe.
isa52bc wrote
2m ago
Elmer, your words are music to my ears! (((Big Hugs)))
elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
Isa not yet! But the symphony is definitely tuning up in the ready to play a Beethoven masterpiece!
elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
Closed? Or setting up the play?
elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
IKO and I are watching closely.
elmerf123456 wrote
1m ago
Well as they say. No time for talk. Getting ready for action.
d wrote
1m ago
Is China open tomorrow night/
elmerf123456 wrote
36s ago
No Holiday
briona wrote
1m ago
isa...the Shanghai Exchange says they are on Lunch Break
briona wrote
38s ago
Seems kind of weird that they break for lunch, but who knows how China plays the game.

briona wrote
38s ago
Seems kind of weird that they break for lunch, but who knows how China plays the game.

TNT: Highlights from The Big Call, 8 JAN

TNT:  Highlights from The Big Call

Ploganea:  Bruce: Call beginning

Bruce: Excited about life and where we are

Bruce: Intel now

Bruce: Supposed to have gone on Jan 1st. But didn't. We think it is here almost every night but things come up to put if off a little. That is why we keep hearing soon and then doesn't happen. Tomorrow is the 8th, China likes 8. 8 is the beginning.

Bruce: Why is China's market sliding? He thinks that China may be getting back at certain people, billionaires. He thinks that will continue tonight.

Bruce: If currency get's devalued, say 7%, they will not stop the slide. That is what he heard. China's dive goes to Europe and then US markets


Bruce: Market adjustments are happening for a reason. Maybe they have to get to a certain point. Tomorrow will be interesting. Maybe a percipitus slide. We were off track for a day but we are back on track. Iraq budget has been published in the gazette. Laws there.

Bruce: Believes that all Iraq needs to do is make the announcement. Is IMF hold them off? He has heard may be asked to hold off until Sat. He heard that the announcement will be Sat and the RV next.

Bruce: What or who is holding this up? Is there a hold up or things that needed to be done. Certain people have been sequestered in the last few days. Bruce beleives that everyone who needs to be sequestered has and that is why it didn't go right away.

Bruce: Key cards were not completely working because of computer chips in the Qi cards. So today they have compensated for that problem by issuing 50 and 100 coins that are out and being used.

Bruce: Coins will be used in addition to cards until RV. He has heard that from boots on the ground.

Bruce: The 50,000 dinar note is out as are LD and freely used. So everything inside of Iraq has been done except the international announcement making Iraq a truly international trading partner. That announcement should be the trigger to go.

Bruce: Some people are telling him RV should be announced tomorrow while some say Saturday. Groups are getting ready. Still moving forward. Everything on track. We could be there very shortly.

Bruce: they are trying to start the humanitarian and PP and RV all at the same time instead of one after the other.

Bruce: First heard that bond funding was there but not pay it out until RV goes.

Bruce: Has heard specific funding to be released but we are waiting.

Bruce: Thanks audience for understanding and stopping the hate mail. His goal is to share info. It might be tomorrow or the weekend but it could be later. Most sources say by this weekend. Bruce tries to discern the truth. China is trying to get this done.

Bruce: Q & A now.

Bruce: Can't talk about rates. Iranian rial is on the screen but exchange can't be completed at this time. Software is in place but they are in the process of re-sequencing rates and financial institutions all over the world. That is what they are doing now.

Bruce: Board is not allowing questions.

Bruce: Keeps talking until board comes out. Talked about working with Vets. Is going to do a veteran's retreat network. At one time 85 different people had the idea to pick up land and designate part for vets. The Big Call folks will meet on those sites. Not ready to advertise this but are in the planning phase.

Bruce: Big Call will let people know. PTSD training and help for vets. All over the country.

Bruce will oversee and be director.

Bruce: Still problem with Q & A board. Board is frozen.

Bruce: Will try for a couple more minutes to get the board up.

Bruce: Will try to talk to us either during or after the exchange process. After RV announced, where 800 # will be if they get them, then Big Call will have limited calls to help then will have interview calls on investment, commodities and handling wealth.

Bruce: He will include health cures. And aquaponics, fish farming, worm casting farms. These will be taught at retreats. Growing food for neighborhoods. Teach people how to grow. They have a lot of plans. See how many want this.

Bruce: The Abundance Project (TAP) will help people plan on how to help others. Helping Vets, ministers, missionaries thru pastoral retreat networks throughout US and maybe in the Carribean.

Bruce: If you heart is still for sharing, a week or so after the RV we will have more calls on TAP.

Bruce: Hopes we will have a symbiotic relationship to improve our country, other countries all working together. If interested call in to the TAP calls after exchange 

Bruce: Helping PTSD with neuroplasticity teaching and downloads to help veterans.

Bruce: Wants the Big Call to mean something, help people. Big Call is not just to get intel out but to help others

Bruce: Going to try to see if the board will allow callers to load

Bruce: Can't load calls so taking it as a sign that they weren't suppose to have a Q & A.

Bruce: Exchange process: Photo ID, (student card, birth certificate, SS card, driver's license, passport, Sams card.) If you have these things it may help especially if you have lots of currency so that there is no doubt who you are. Keep your ID safe.

Bruce: Keep ID in your possession, not in carry on. If you plan on using Wells Fargo, bring your account info with you even if it isn't active. Might be helped to bring the last bank statement.  Bring the receipts for the currency but keep it in a folder and don't offer them. Just bring in case it comes up.

Bruce: If you have a suitcase full of dinar, you may want to be able to show receipts if asked.

Bruce: When you sign the FIN Cen 112, look for the part that says "exchanging currency." Make sure that part is used. Don't use "CASH OUT." That is only used in casinos.

Bruce: Us "exchange or currency exchange." If in a group will get notified either via email or telephone. If on internet, should get a tweet from RayRen and if allowed with 800#. Will also be on www.thebigcall.net if allowed so you can go there to get the tele numbers.

Bruce: May get numbers from dinarrecaps.

Bruce: Q & A starting now.

Bruce: Now have 2,000 on Q & A line. That may be what froze the board. One question, rapid fire questions.

Caller: Hello, who is funding the GCR? Is it just for US or whole world. Who is funding?
Bruce: it is being funded by each countries currencies being asset backed under Basil 3. That gives the currency value. In the case of dong, Indonesia, that is being funded by China. These funds are either about to be released or have been. They are funding the historical bonds.

Bruce: The bonds will fund the humanitarian projects and PP.

Caller:  : On 4 o'clock news. Talked about stock market. Chinese people were worried. What sense does it make to panic people when they could push the button? Bruce: Certain high net worth people don't want this to go, crashing the market may get back at the people holding this up. Or could be timing.

Bruce: Other factors are the IMF and others that need to acquiesce to get this going. We will just see when it actually goes.

Bruce: Our country reacts rather than getting ahead of the game, being proactive. Caller said it doesn't make sense. Bruce agreed.

Caller: Member of Gen 64/Wells Fargo group. I predominantly have Zim. Will I do best using the group or negotiating myself? Bruce: The initial negotiation was for IQD and dong. But may get a better deal inside the group. My gut is to set up within the group. Pre-negotiated rates may be best in the group.

Caller: How will I know if I use the Wells Fargo group gives me the best rate? Bruce: Chances are you will get the best rate within WF. May be able to negotiate in the group. May make a difference how long you keep funds in the bank and also humanitarian projects planned.

Bruce: Your plans may help get a better rate.

Caller: Documentary on Netenyahu (sp?) wars. This documentary gives out good background info. Bruce: Agreed. Believes dinar must go before any others.

573 caller: Reading articles on Zimbabwe with diamonds, gold laying under the ground. Is this helping increase the rate? Bruce: Yes, that is what is increasing the amount and China is helping with the mining. These assets are serving to increase the value

Caller asked if she should share her humanitarian projects with banker? Bruce: have a 30 second pitch that says what you are planning to do. If not planning yourself can say that you are partnering with some people on water wells etc. Practice your pitch. "This is what I am planning."

Caller: Is Admiral getting ready tonight? Bruce: Don't know. Caller asked about what rates people are getting: Can't talk about rates. Caller when into bank in New Orleans. After doing bank business banker pulled up the dong. It iwas 44 cents.

Caller didn't have all her money with her. Was told to come back Monday they may be able to exchange her there. Bruce: Said what is happening is that when they are trying, the computer won't allow to complete the transaction.

Caller wondering if the hold up is that bankers world wide are being arrested? Bruce: There were a number of people who were in positions that were impeding the process or hurt the process by suppressing the rates etc. These people were "sequestered".

Bruce: This is the reason since Tuesday that has held things up. Can't go into detail on that.
Caller wanted to know about the rupiah. No info on that. Bruce: It is in the basket. No up to date rate. Still a good currency to consider.

Bruce: Caller talking about fasting to get this released. Unity is the best thing. Bruce: Hopes this will happen this morning.

Caller how long do we have to exchange? 2 years? Bruce: Years ago we heard that. It probably depends on the currency and the country. Could perhaps hold some currency but may drop after the initial exchange time. But in the future may exchange for far less.

Other caller said "cash in." Bruce corrected him!!!

Caller What was the currency exchange form.? Bruce: FINCEN 112.

Caller Appreciation: We are in a small community. No WF. Was given a 800 # to call. Called and guy was rude and said that paper worthless. Bruce: He had the company line down, didn't he. Some WF people are very prepared. Bruce said don't call. Wait until the RV goes then use the 800#, and ask where closest exchange place.

Bruce: Said that WF in Biloxi may be closest. This is what will happen. 7 states with no WF. When it happens, get the closest exchange center to you. If you are going to do something with WF and aren't in a group, don't worry, you will call in with zip code. Don't worry about this.

Bruce: Words are powerful. Speak powerfully that this will happen easily.

Caller: Haven't mentioned expiration on Zim. Bruce: Last heard will have 21 days after the RV to exchange. Doesn't expect anyone to wait 3 weeks to exchange. Get in and exchange. They want this done. This helps Zimbabwe. Puts them on the map and levels the playing field for them.

Bruce: Wrapping up the call. Thanks to Kent for working out the tech difficulties. We are in a good position. Chatter that it is moving through. We can't force , have to let it come in God's time. Do plan A until plan B happens. God will provide. We are waiting to get on to next phase of our lives.

Bruce: Appreciation to the listeners. Call is in 5th year. Will continue after the RV, take you through the process then work together with projects and financial training.

Bruce: Waiting for celebration call. May be Tuesday. Just have to wait and see.

Bruce: Kent closing call with prayer.

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