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Wednesday, December 23, 2015

TNT : ELMERF123456 UPDATE, 23 DEC

Merry Christmas everyone !  Yes we all have been challenged in 2015 but never once should you consider what we have been through a repeat of the past for it is not !  Do not cave-in, do not stress, do not panic, and don't fall prey to the naysayers, for the journey has been long, but no way has it been in vain for the end is near !  All the signs are all around and what we've told you over the past year is coming to a head.  Keep your minds about you and don't let anyone tell you something different! I'm stating congratulations in advance.  Your patience will be well rewarded And it's your job to improve your lives and others too. God Bless all of you and remain mentally strong and confident for our wait will not be much longer.  
Seasons Greetinngs!
Elmer

DELTA TIDBITS, 23 DEC

A lot of you that don’t know about this article…it was on the CBI website in Arabic…all the newspapers and all the media are talking about it…dated the 20ththis letter from the CBI to banks, money exchange companies and private banks…is the huge thing that confirms they are waiting on the calculation to be done.
Everything we believe to be done except that calculation… anything less than a 1 to 1 rate would simply cause confusion with the Iraqi citizensjust as Abadi said on the 10th…we are ready to activate things for the economy.
They can’t activate the banking system in Iraq unless they are internationally recognized...the ki cards and so much that we’ve seen from them all need the international recognition…the calculation that they wait for now.
This is very good as an indication that something is about to happen, either late this month or by mid-January.

TNT CC NOTES, 23 DEC

Replay 605.562.3179, PIN CODE 409029#

RayRen:  We are READY!  Good afternoon, super-fantastic TNT family!  Today is Wednesday, December 23, 2015.  [Doing audio checks]  It’s yet another ‘When Will We See It Wednesday’.  Lots of folks anticipating you will see it pretty soon.  We think they still want us to see this by Christmas – it won’t be completed by Xmas, but it could be well underway, getting things going.  That is still the anticipation, to have it initiated before Christmas on the public side. The private side is already being taken care of.  The public side is anticipating getting it started by Christmas, and it’s two days until Christmas.  The banks are looking and preparing to make a move.  All the things that need to be done appear to be done.  The tariffs will go live with the Budget on 1. January. We’re not getting any reports of lower denominations in Baghdad, although they are showing up in other areas.  When it hits Baghdad, we are done.  We have some reports for Baghdad, but not from citizens.  There are lower denoms in other areas, but they are still valueless so far.
Appointments are being made in the US;  one person who had an appointment for this morning called me and said his has been moved to 30 January.  I haven’t heard from others who I know have appointments;  they will contact me this evening.  Banks are saying they are anticipating some exchange centers being open on Christmas Day – that is what is being passed behind their walls.  I know some members who have appointments scheduled for 25. December, and they will go ‘talk’.  Some appointments are being made on New Year’s Day as well. WE have always been told that the groups will go first, private exchanges, then the public.
Some new information coming to me is that some groups have started to exchange, and they have given me the locations and rates that they have exchanged at.  That is progress!  I haven’t had a chance to confirm it, but why would they want to lie, and give me that exact information of where, who and how much was involved.  It’s coming along;  our turn is close.  You could even say it’s here, although we don’t know the exact time or day.  Bank people are seeing live rates, and they just cannot exchange for the general public.  On the private side, we are hearing a lot of different things, with rates all over the place.  Info is flowing on all sides, and time will tell all.  All we can tell you is what we are receiving and where we think we are in the process.  For all intents and purposes, we are there… we just don’t know the exact date and time. That bank people are making appointments, and they are hearing some are doing this or that.  Some are shifting to alternate locations, for reasons of security or secrecy.  We have heard some banks will be working 16-hour shifts;  what are they expecting?  We can read between the lines and figure it out.  Let’s sit back, relax, and enjoy this process.  Are you ready to do this?
I am expecting some other information in a little bit, but that’s all the info I have at the moment.  Let’s take some questions:
302 caller:  You mentioned a bank memo on 4. December, saying the Fed, IMF and UST released the RV immediately.  Have you got a copy of that?
RayRen: I haven’t see the memo myself, but multiple people in the banks have seen it. I  don’t’ ask them to send me a copy.  That is not hearsay;  they have actually seen it.
Caller:  So every major bank should have this memo and WMs should have a copy, right?
RayRen:  Not necessarily… and it doesn’t matter because we still haven’t exchanged.  Let’s not make it more than we are told.  Even if I had a copy of that memo, what difference would that mean today?
Caller:  It’s just we hear things and we don’t’ see them. Thanks for the information you are passing on.  Let’s hope it is all happening, and we are not here on Monday, wondering.
RayRen:  We could be here next Monday, so plan for that as well.
Caller:  [Appreciation]  Merry Christmas!
512 caller:  I’m glad everything is going great… great news today. There is always going to be the negative guy, and we don’t’ need to listen to them.
RayRen:  No matter how solid that information may have been, the banks might have the memo, but they cannot do anything until they have the codes!
Caller:  I guess he’s waiting for someone to knock on his door!  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
770/404 caller   The fact that bank personnel might be working for Christmas, I presume that there will not be a standard Friday call this week?  If there is information, I’m sure you will be tweeting us, and not being pulled away from your family dinner.  If the bottom falls out and they actually release the RV, you still might not have a call on Christmas Day!
Caller:  Just wanted to share with everyone so they will not be expecting a Friday call.  You mentioned that groups are going through, with rates and locations – when will you share that information?
RayRen:  By the time I can tell you that, you won’t care because you’ll be at the bank anyway.  It’s sensitive information, and I shared it to encourage everyone, to indicate that this is actually happening.
Caller:  There is a rumor that the Zimbabwe dollar has RVed…
RayRen:  If people are exchanging the zim, there is clearly something taking place.  I talked to someone six weeks who exchanged zim, and I’ve heard from several other members, including one in Africa.  Also, bank people are seeing it on the screens.  They must have RVed if people are exchanging.
Caller:  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
RayRen:  My internet service is going crazy, and the board has gone down for the moment.  Hang on while I re-initialize.
Caller:  A wish I had long ago was to be the last caller on the very last call, so if you want to sign off, that would make my dream come true!
RayRen:  I was going to make this a short call anyway.
405 caller:  In the news articles, we have seen that PM ABadi is in China, signing various agreements.  How does that relate to us pushng forward, seeing this direct contact between China and Iraq?  We’ve been told all along that China needs the dinar for oil credits.  How is this affecting the RV?
RayRen:  Based on what we have heard and what we are all owed to say, China is hooked into dinar and gong and zim, so I don’t think this is really affecting it.
Caller:  We have been hearing that WF is the lead bank, and they are also connected to China, so… [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
941 caller:  So do you think this real today?
RayRen:  I report, you decide.  I thought it was real yesterday and last week. I have contacts who have scheduled appointments, and some are rescheduled. We get to wait and plain, wait and plan.
Caller:  Lots of planning;  not much we can do since some of the banks won’t even talk to you.  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
865 caller:  I have three brothers, just like you.  My oldest brother is like Tony;  my other brother is like DC, and now I’m like Ray myself.  If someone gets under your skin , you go <click> as if you’ve lost their number.  I’m in Michigan, part of the Admiral’s group, and then part of the Gen64 group, and I know they have given out 800 numbers.  I already know the numbers from the Trinity. I think you are all that and a bag of chips.  I was praying for you this morning.  If your throat bothers you, gargle with hydrogen peroxide, it will clear it right away.  Meanwhile, keep taking the center road.  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
281 caller:  We’re just in great expectation and we appreciate all you are reporting. God is perfecting everything that concerns us, in the appointed time, and we believe that is before the end of the year.  Merry Christmas!  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
646 caller:  I’m encouraged by the news and hoping for a fabulous 2016!  So long as it’s the beginning of January, that will be sweet.  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
RayRen: Yes, very much so… looking forward to that.
313 caller:  I’ve been watching the CBI website, with the date on the bottom. Today they didn’t change the date.  What do you think about that?
RayRen:  It could be a number of things – we’ll just have to wait and see.
Caller:  I think they’ll change it in the middle of the night.  I believe we are here.  Merry Christmas to you, the crew, and the callers.  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
561 caller:  I called the bank and talked to a wealth manager, made an appointment with him.  He says he’ll call me when this happens.
RayRen:  We have a number of people who are waiting for those calls as soon as the banks are ready.
610 caller:  Thanks to everyone for keeping us to date.  Any word from Iraq as to what the people in Iraq are doing?  In the streets, celebrating, protesting, anything?
RayRen:  We are not hearing anything about that.  The television is talking about economic reform and lower denoms in certain areas… nothing else.
Caller:  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!  and barbecue from Raleigh, NC!
678 caller:  On PTR they say Tony got arrested…
RayRen:  Read the news.  You know how to do that.
281 caller:  One of the earlier callers said one of the groups already got 800 numbers…
RayRen: I heard him talk about the groups he belongs to, and he said that he had the rates, but the impression I got was that he’s waiting for me to hand out the 800 numbers.
Caller:  Just wanted to confirm that.  Merry Christmas!  Tell Tony we miss him…
856 caller:  Thank you!  It’s only been two years!  Thank you for all you have done for all of us, especially my mom.  Merry Christmas and I can’t wait for the tweet.  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
415 caller:  About the tweets… if this were to happen on Friday and you send out a tweet, would you have a call on Saturday or wait until Monday?  Also, would the tweet be posted on the other websites?
RayRen:  We will put out a tweet on all the websites, and maybe have a call on Friday night.
Caller:  Before we could get the transcript on the TNT site;  do you still have that? I have found the recordings and partial transcripts, but not the verbatim one by ZebraGirl.
RayRen:  Our transcript, if you go to tntsuperfantastic.com, go to the bottom where it shows TNT Calls and Replays, it should have a link to the transcripts. The one for 12/21 is not there. I will look into that.
Caller:   Happy Holidays!  [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
718 caller:  Nothing to do with 404, but why do you let the same people get on the call every time when some of us have been hanging on for ages and we don’t get picked.
RayRen:  This system allows people to call in hours before…
Caller:  I call in over an hour beforehand, and I put my hand up, and I just don’t think that is fair that she is always called, when I call every day as well.  Happy Holidays!
RayRen:  I’m trying to answer your question.  You didn’t get on earlier than those others ones.  Some people have been on the call for three hours before the call!  There is no favoritism;  I just pick the people in the order they have been waiting.  This is your turn.
Caller:  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.  When they do RV, can my son turn my currency in for me?
RayRen:  Yes, if you need to do a power of attorney, there are a number of ways you can do that – just ask the bank what documentation they will need to do that for you.
772 caller:  This is my first time calling:  I appreciate all that you, Tony and Pam have done. This could be the last call and I wanted to tell you how much it’s meant to me and my friends.  Merry Christmas!  I hope this is the last call, and I hope we all have the best Christmas ever, with a Happy New Year. [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
951 caller:  If the private sector has already exchanged, what is the problem with getting the public sector exchanged?
RayRen:  I don’t know how big the private sector is;  it’s a timing issue.  We can only tell you what we hear.  There is no definitive date/time for the public.  We just wait.  One difference between the private and public sectors is the rates.  The groups have already negotiated their rates, and that is what they will get, regardless of international rates.
Caller:  Merry Christmas, and let’s hope this thing happens TODAY!  Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
RayRen:  There is a lot of anticipation.  We all want tis, but are you ready? The bigger question now is are you willing to wait a little longer after it is released. That might be a financial maneuver for some of us – because it’s the end of the quarter and the end of the year, are you prepared to walk to the bank rather than run?  That could make the difference between one thousand and ten thousand. Work the numbers rather than your emotions.  Let the math be your guide.  The more your back pocket fills up, the better your heart feels.  Let your numbers dictate your actions rather than your emotions – the head rather than the heart.  Plan your work and work your plan.  We have tried to prepare you mentally for this RV, and some have prepared themselves physically with entities.  It’s time to walk His season as well.  Anyone who is celebrating – Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, New Years – we combine them all in saying Happy Holidays to all of you.  We want to acknowledge Pam, Tony, DC, the team, the Mods and guest Mods, and all our supporters.  Hopefully this is the final call on this side of what we are looking for.  If not, we’ll see you on the other side!
For those who celebrate ‘the reason for the season’, we say MERRY CHRISTMAS!

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 23 DEC

12-23-2015   Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3  STATEMENT... the zimbzwe dollar rved today...THEN THE DONG AND DINAR ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE SAME BASKET.   THIS JUST SENT TO ME 3 TIMES. NOT VERIFIED TO MY SATISFACTION... 

12-23-2015   Intel Guru Frank26
   ...who has the numbers...the BIG BOYS...1182 is a prelude to the LD’s...we have come to my conclusion that...there will not be a float...it’s not going to be 10 cents or 40 cents….it will not a float...it will not be a gradual float... it will be 1 to 1...IMO...the 1 to 1 works to help ensure that ISIS is choked...1 to 1 is the RI...this is probably a 7-14 day period and we may be half way through that period…then in about another 7-10-14 days it will hit the global international exchanges...the RI,,.once it does then we will see the RV...allowing the 1 to 1 to grow internationally...I don’t think we will see 1 to 1...I’m not saying they are hiding the 1 to 1...we just won’t see it...because it belongs to Iraq.   [post 2 of 2]

12-23-2015   Intel Guru Frank26   IMO...from the 21st to the 26th...Iraq will give the LD’s to the banks...then the pendulum will swing.  Iraq is waiting for the international standards to give them the new rate...Iraq awaits the international standards...the new rate...even the CBI is waiting on this international rate to come up with the right pricing right...they have the codes for the taxes and tariffs that are activated...the IMF, BIS, US...let’s just call them the BIG BOYS...The BIG BOYS work on these calculations...and once those calculations are done the international world will welcome Iraq into their club.  I believe it is being calculated now to be released...the 1182 was done for compliance...and to make the USD more expensive to buy in Iraq...and it worked...it was an inflationary measure...they have no inflation...they qualify for Article 8...   [post 1 of 2....stay tuned]

12-23-2015   Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3   SAW A POST...STATING W/B [WORLD BANK] TOLD THEM TO FINISH REFORM TO RELEASE THE 1.2 BILLION LOAN...NOW THATS A REAL KIND OF PRESSURE. 

2-23-2015   Newshound Guru Kaperoni  Article quotes:  "«the committee received the Presidential ratification of the Second Amendment to the Investment Law N

TNT CHAT UPDATE, 23 DEC

PlatinunRunway: about 8:30 cst:  Morning everyone. ok rates are not on every screen yet but its holding now at .27…. the Zim
FreedomBoomer:  Plat or Tenn. are you guys hearing 6 lop on zim 100 T. I have not heard anything lately
PlatinumRunway:  What i heard 6 zero lop on trillion dollar notes first basket 3 on billion , second basket 9 zero lop on trillions
BadScott54:  According to Zimbabwe law they are only allowed to remove six zeros off one designated currency and three off another designated currency per year.
TennWolfMan:  some encouraging info coming down the RV grapevine-Plat and I and a couple more have concurred that the info we are getting is the same
Apexdinar:   ‘trading platforms’ closing for an entire week…that makes little sense, especially an annual week-long shutdown…
Royal:  apex iko said its usual for some trading platforms to close during holidays,,,hope that helps
Royal:  Tenn do you do trading
TennWolfMan:  royal yes I do but only on a lower level, not the higher ones thats gonna close
Iko Ward : You can’t only focus on one indicator. You have to look at the weakening dollar in Asia, the oil markets, gold fluctuation, Forex movement, that Abadi went to China and two weeks ago China said they’ll go direct with Iraq if necessary, the Sabre rattling from BRICS, all the other intel coming from Art and DB, Martha, Elmer, Plat, and Tenn. It’s a big world and a big deal. All waves crest and crash upon the shore. Christmas is a lovely shoreline, don’t you think?
Iko Ward:  Interesting…every Tug in the greater Galveston area just turned on their AIS beacons. Means they are firing up to get moving. Crude up $4 since Monday. Follow the money. Follow what they do, not what they say.
Blackjack7:  Market seems to be making a play upwards as well
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TNMan:  As each day of December passes, I see it less and less likely that it will happen this year. If I were a CEO of a company, I would be unwilling to make a major change within my company this close to the end of the year. If I were a Prime Minister of a country, there would be no way that I would upset the books by making a currency change this year, especially considering that January 1st is less than 10 days away. Now who does that make sense to?
[snickers] TNman Bingo. I’m thinking fireworks in 2016. And, 2016 is only 207 hrs away (for my time zone).
[Sallypuff] I am not a Chinese consumer fan, yet I am glad we have China on our side, pushing and yelling to get this RV done once and for all.
[Sallypuff] Art was more than optimistic that the large groups would be starting this year, and our internet “unorganized group – name apparently coined by China” would follow.
DavidM:  MY TNT FRIENDS …. DEAR SANTA, WE’VE *ALL* BEEN REAL GOOD THIS YEAR. WE HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY THE COOKIES LEFT ON THE FIREPLACE MANTLE. PLEASE SANTA, FILL OUR STOCKINGS WITH LOVE, JOY, CHEER, AND OH YES ….. THE RV TOO! SINCERLY, *THE TNT FAMILY

POPPY3 SHORT INTEL, 23 DEC

STATEMENT  the Zimbabwe dollar RVed today … THEN THE DONG AND DINAR ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE SAME BASKET.

THIS JUST SENT TO ME 3 TIMES. NOT VERIFIED TO MY SATISFACTION.


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OK, got another REPORT ON ZIM. IT HASN’T RV’ED VALUE YET BUT IS EXPECTED AT ANYTIME.
REPORT SAYS THE ONLY REASON IT HASN’T IS THEY STILL PRINTING LD’S IN PREPration  FOR THE NEW VALUE.
EXPECTING .03 CENTS.
HOPE THIS UPDATE HELPS.

NOT FROM ANY USUAL SOURCE BUT THIS SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE ESPECIALLY WITH THEM REPORTING BEING PAID NOW IN ZIM ONLY.
STAND BY TOMORROW HAVE CONTACT IN NY CHECKING ON ANY UPDATED INFORMATION.
TIME WILL TELL.

TNT :CHATTER BLOG DEC 23 by OKROCKS, 23 DEC

I WAS ZONKED AND PROBABLY MISSED SOME.... biggrin A SPECIAL THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTE, YOU ARE APPRECIATED!

China, Iraq agree to establish strategic partnership
SULAIMANI -- China and Iraq agreed Tuesday to establish a strategic partnership during the on-going visit by Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to China.
The two countries issued a joint statement to the effect in Beijing, saying that the strategic partnership will help deepen bilateral cooperation in various field and promote development and prosperity in both countries.
According to the joint statement, the two sides agreed to strengthen high-level engagement, enhance strategic communication on bilateral ties and international and regional issues of common concern to increase consensus and consolidate strategic mutual trust.
The two countries will continue to support each other firmly on issues concerning national sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and security, it said.
The two countries vowed to take into consideration of each other's core interest and major concerns, and not to interfere in each other's domestic affairs.
Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Ming said relations between China and Iraq has steadily developed in recent years.
"China and Iraq have signed papers on the joint development of the 'Belt and Road' initiative. Therefore, the two sides have reached a remarkable degree of consensus on strengthening cooperation between the two countries and Iraq's reconstruction under the framework of this initiative,” said Zhang.
“During Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's visit to China, the two sides announced the establishment of the strategic partnership. I think the relationship between China and Iraq will make advanced progress based on this high-level relationship.”
Zhang reiterated support for Iraq's efforts to maintain national sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity.
He said China firmly supports Iraq's measures to safeguard national security and stability, and will advance cooperation in these fields.
http://nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=4519

The Dual Purpose of Debt Management and Debt Restructuring
By JC Collins
 Just after World War Two the United States had a massive debt-to-GDP ratio of over 140%.  Today’s debt-to-GDP ratio of 104% seems paltry in comparison. But along with a huge debt-to-GDP ratio after the war, the US also had one of the largest trade surpluses in the world.  Much like China does now.
 The difference, China’s debt-to-GDP ratio today, for government debt, is around 42%, with a balance of payments surplus of over $60 trillion. This puts China in a very strong position within the multilateral monetary transition which is taking place.
At present time, the US has a large trade deficit, with China being the biggest creditor, and a high debt-to-GDP ratio.  The ability of the US to push its debt-to-GDP ratio down after the war had a lot to do with its strong balance of payments position at the time....................
MORE  http://philosophyofmetrics.com/how-america-lost-its-sovereignty/#more-3872
LAST NIGHT...
pinkroses wrote (SOME) BRUCE CC NOTES
Playback number: (605) 562-3198 123456#
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Bruce: we are waiting, in good place to be waiting in. excited about everything going on the last few days, excited what should be go on next couple of days.
Christmas is on Friday, at this particular point of time, we are not sure if we will have a call Christmas Eve night. it seems it might be out of place. depending on where we are possible we might. stay tuned to dinar recaps. if we dont, dont hold it against us, we do plan on trying to walk everybody through the Rv process and be there through the process and after the exchange and bring you latest info on investment opportunities
Bruce; some things are moving along. is it moving along for us individually and large groups, not yet. some small groups are exchanging. large groups and other groups not been notified, but will be.

Bruce: internet group set to go with other groups, shot gun approach. all notified at once, set appt. operations are under way in some of the groups, not just vip, other people. prosperity packages are out or about to go out immediately. groups are to follow.
Bruce: timing is very very close for us. some of the church groups have gone, some still to go in, some native american groups gone in. cant get in super detail. some of the rates were knock your socks off. sanctions to be lifted off completely off Iran to let Iranian Rial to go few days after

Bruce: we beleive that request by China, all the other countries pulled sanctions off Iran, we the US only one not done it, China requested it, I believe we are complying with it. all indications we are prepared to go before Christmas, exchange centers open Christmas Eve.

Bruce: all i saying their intentions, this is rolling out, not being held up, everything is moving, rolling, just not our turn. we are in line, not just quite our turn. if you can understand that concept waiting to be notified, to set appt, to exchange to live happy for ever.
Bruce: there not going to be a one note option, if you do one note you could possibly pigeon yourself on one rate. consider idea of getting your best closest exchange locations.
BRUCE: those who dont have WF banks, in 8 states, dont worry about it. call in, they have exchange locations set up for you to go to. private banking in your state, sometimes mortgage office, could have exchange center there or somewhere else. use them and call the 800 number and set up appt. they will know by zip code the closest one to you.
C: is the dong still in the basket and over 3 dollars? BRUCE:  Yes and Yes

C: rates highrer?  BRUCE:  Yes, they are moving. China wants some of these rates high. that is what they got where they want them. they are very good.   The super high rates may not be there forever. it is important you go in. there is a teaser rate, those rates on the rupiah for a week or so, or dong so people get in and exchange, the sucker rates.  These rates are the real mckoy, they will not last forever. important make appt right away, not necessary two or three days go in, but if you wait 2 or 3 weeks you could do it with your peril.
C:  Do you suggest we do them all in one transaction. 
BRUCE:  I like it in one transaction, more significant to the bank, more sway with the banks, more perks, possibly higher rate.  i wouldnt break up your currency one note hear, one note there. just go in and get it done.
poppy3 : ok got another REPORT ON ZIM. IT HASNT RVED VALUE YET BUT IS EXPECTED AT ANYTIME. REPORT SAYS THE ONLY REASON IT HASNT IS THEY STILL PRINTING LD'S IN PREPration  FOR THE NEW VALUE. EXPECTING .03 CENTS. HOPE THIS UPDATE HELPS. NOT FROM ANY USUAL SOURCE BUT THIS SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE ESPECIALLY WITH THEM REPORTING BEING PAID NOW IN ZIM ONLY. STAND BY TOMORROW HAVE CONTACT IN NY CHECKING ON ANY UPDATED INFORMATION. TIME WILL TELL . POPPY3

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TODAY
   
cloudwalker wrote platinum said this morning that if it didn't happen last night or today, he thought it was likely that it wouldn't happen until after Christmas -- but before Jan. 1. Bank personnel supposed to be back to 16-hour days this weekend.
   
Tennwolfman wrote Im not saying there will be no 800 numbers but Im saying what if theres not- please call around and find a bank that does currency exchanges and ask if they will put your name and number in their files just in case something changes with the currency rates--They will do that and call you in when it changes
   
Tennwolfman wrote everyone needs to be prepared
           
Tennwolfman wrote china is shoving and pissed
    
royal wrote but China is shoving they want it before christmas
           
royal wrote Bruce indicated China wanted us in before christmas

platinumrunway wrote We could be in a bank by monday
   
Tennwolfman wrote personally i dont expect 800 numbers
   
platinumrunway wrote I dont know about taxes guys
   
platinumrunway wrote Mommy can i ride the roller coaster, sure dear, let the nice church people go, then the Wells from Wellingto, then you can get on the ride....no cutting in line!

BrocollySaurus wrote World markets summary by CNN: "North and South American markets finished mixed as of their recent closing prices. The Bovespa gained 1.07% while the S&P 500 was higher by 0.88%. The IPC was even."
   
BrocollySaurus wrote "Asian markets finished mixed as of the most recent closing prices. The Hang Seng gained 0.96%, while the Shanghai Composite led the Nikkei 225 lower. They fell 0.43% and 0.16% respectively."
     
WTCUTTER wrote gold 1069 down 4.5
     
platinumrunway wrote Morning everyone. ok rates are not on every screen yet but zim holding now at .27

Tennwolfman wrote some encouraging info coming down the RV grapevine-Plat and I and a couple more have concurred that the info we are getting is the same
   
platinumrunway wrote What i heard 6 zero lop on trillion dollar notes first basket, 3 on billion , second basket 9 zero lop on trillions
         
hopeinwyo wrote I heard this long ago, too...9 zeros off first basket and a later basket with 6 zeros off...first basket is the better one, so don't hold off and wait on the second basket...the 9 zeros will not return as much...by a long shot.
     
BADSCOTT54 wrote According to Zimbabwe law they are only allowed to remove six zeros off one designated currency and three off another designated currency per year.

royal wrote iko said its usual for some trading platforms to close during holidays,,,hope that helps

(she is a teller at wf bank)
utahgirl wrote good morning tnt! Sounds like we are STILL in waiting mode...glad we are holding our breath at this point. Anxious to see things finally and REALLY happen. I know I search the memos at work daily for any kind of indication with no results. I know we are switching some platforms and adding some new protocols but nothing about exchanges or additional customers at this point...2115 is quickly entering the the history books~ Hope it goes out with a BANG!

Big Mama wrote Utahgirl....can you see the rates at your level?
     
utahgirl wrote i can yes...and currently the only currencies that show up are dong and ruphia....they are both call for quotes status because they are considered exotic currencies
     
utahgirl wrote also, not to disagree with statements from Tony, but wf does exchanges in real time. they will call for the current rate at time of exchange. they don't just call once or twice a day.

utahgirl wrote from what I understand...if it becomes a common currency of exchange then it will go into the system that will just update upon each exchange. when I do pounds and euros they rate is listed and updated as it changes...assume the same will happen with our currencies

utahgirl wrote I have had a few indicators that something is up...but without asking very specific questions I cant get into depth info from the regional reps that come in


Iko Ward wrote You can't only focus on one indicator. You have to look at the weakening dollar in Asia, the oil markets, gold fluctuation, Forex movement, that Abadi went to China and two weeks ago China said they'll go direct with Iraq if necessary, the Sabre rattling from BRICS, all the other intel coming from Art and DB, Martha, Elmer, Plat, and Tenn. It's a big world and a big deal. All waves crest and crash upon the shore. Christmas is a lovely shoreline, don't you think?

TNT CHAT UPDATE, 23 DEC

platinumrunway :  My WM expects us right after…who knows with this crazy ride but he sounded excited
Tennwolfman :  i was told the same thing Plat, that if it didnt happen by last night or today it would be after christmas but before jan 1st
platinumrunway : Wolfy my bank contacts said same thing this morning.
platinumrunway : They start back to 16 hr shifts this weekend.
platinumrunway :  Im still excited because Christmas will be extended!!!   We could be in a bank by Monday
Evenflow:   Don’t worry guys it will be like Christmas when you open the package…. it will be more than you ever dreamed of
BrocollySaurus : World markets summary by CNN: “North and South American markets finished mixed as of their recent closing prices. The Bovespa gained 1.07% while the S&P 500 was higher by 0.88%. The IPC was even.”
“Asian markets finished mixed as of the most recent closing prices. The Hang Seng gained 0.96%, while the Shanghai Composite led the Nikkei 225 lower. They fell 0.43% and 0.16% respectively.”
“European markets are sharply higher today with shares in London leading the region. The FTSE 100 is up 2.19% while France’s CAC 40 is up 2.12% and Germany’s DAX is up 1.89%.”
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yz] Abadi: Iraq has enormous economic capabilities and 80% of the area is safe and ripe for investment   http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translm&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.alsumaria.tv/news/154935/-
[xyz] Iraq and China agree to build economic belt “of the Silk Road”   http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=tranm&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.alsumaria.tv/news/154939/-
[xyz] The Ministry of Transport announced that, on Wednesday, its call for major foreign companies to invest in the transport sector, indicating that Iraq is seeking to develop the transport sector and the form in which it parallels the developed world.   http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translm&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.alsum

TNT :BRUCE CALL THURSDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2015, (INTEL AND Q AND A), 23 DEC

Bruce:  We are waiting, in good place to be waiting in. Excited about everything going on the last few days, excited what should be going on next couple of days.

Bruce: Christmas on Friday, at this particular point of time, we are not sure if we will have a call Christmas Eve night. it seems it might be out of place. depending on where we are possible we might. stay tuned to dinar recaps. if we dont, dont hold it against it, we do plan on trying to walk everybody through the Rv process and be there through the process and after the exchange and bring you latest info on investment opportunities like humanitarian projects, the ministries, none of that is changed.
Bruce; some things are moving along. is it moving along for us individually and large groups, not yet. some small groups are exchanging. large groups and other groups not been notified, but will be.

Bruce: internet group set to go with other groups, shot gun approach. all notified at once, set appt. operations are under way in some of the groups, not just vip, other people. prosperity packages are out or about to go out immediately. groups are to follow.
Bruce: timing is very very close for us. some of the church groups have gone, some still to go in, some native american groups gone in. cant get in super detail. some of the rates were knock your socks off. sanctions to be lifted off completely off Iran to let Iranian Rial to go few days after
Bruce: we beleive that request by China, all the other countries pulled sanctions off Iran, we the US only one not done it, China requested it, I believe we are complying with it. all indications we are prepared to go before Christmas, exchange centers open Christmas Eve.

Bruce: all i saying their intentions, this is rolling out, not being held up, everything is moving, rolling, just not our turn. we are in line, not just quite our turn. if you can understand that concept waiting to be notified, to set appt, to exchange to live happy for ever.

Bruce: that is the process we are in. we try to get what we get and discern the truth as much as we can. we are in good shape to get it before Christmas, if not than before the New Year.
Bruce: lets just believe, not lose faith. i read an email that one lady was ready to give up. Do not give up. hang in there, continue to fight the good fight of faith. to run this race until it is over. it aint over till it over.
Bruce: you guys are tougher than that. no give up on this team. we hang in there, we hang in there, pray, continue to believe. this is a world wide reset. alot of pieces of this puzzle, most pieces put in the puzzle, just waiting for a few pieces to finish puzzle for us.

Bruce: you have enough faith to believe. there are people that purchased this currency, maybe they shouldnt have. maybe not for everybody.
Bruce call: I took great care to talk to the people i did about it. i knew it wouldnt be easy ride. what did you learn through this process. you learned you not want to do this again
Bruce: but look at reward other side of this. when this does occur and exchange and look back at those 2, 7, 10, 11 years and go you know it was worth every bit. sure we learned alot, sacrifice things. maybe we should have gone on plan A longer.
Bruce: look at it like it is a gift and comes when it comes. have we lost people on the way? yes. alot of people, my wife, okieson, plenty of people during this ride. We really want to encourage you not to give up the fight.

Bruce: hang on, it will come through, almost there. we cant tell you when. they not want us to know, few people know. the window changes I feel, things are rolling out. we have had people hold this up. those not impediment of the process now. as early as this morning see this next couple of days, possibly before Christmas. Thursday not planning on doing a call
Bruce: we will surely have a celebration call next Tuesday. we want to be there to celebrate with you guys, have it come through. very good time frame for it to go. rates very high, knock your socks off rates.

Bruce: now it is above that. high rates. good shape on that. I heard a rate on the rupiah that was crazy. our understanding the trns are out, officially backing the currency, and have new currency with our exchanges
Bruce: take a little cash, not walk out with 6, 8 thousand dollars. have credit, debit cards, have access to your new acct with whatever bank you choose with your exchange. the important thing is set your appt.

Bruce: there not going to be a one note option, if you do one note you could possibly pigeon yourself on one rate. consider idea of getting your best closest exchange locations. if in a group dance with the one that brought you.
Bruce: unless it was a scam of a group. you will do fine, as WF group or other groups out there. give it a thought, dont worry if you havent got email in a l00 years.
Bruce: they chose to take your email and stay silent about it, you are in. dont worry about that if you are sign up on that group and not heard from them. best way is to react, set appt, could be for this week or next week. you be set.
Bruce: appt with 800 numbers. when we find out the 800 numbers we will put them out under banking on our site. you will see them and set your appt for those not in groups. if in group follow instructions in your email. those will not be same numbers. each group has own 800 numbers. act on instructions in email. keep eye for that.

Q AND A

C:  Zim rate .57?   BRUCE: are they 57 cent rate, could be. some of the rates you were hearing about were on UN operation page on 2014, they were old rates. I dont want to go there, and talk about it. some hearing higher than that. maybe they are, wait and see what it is. I tell you this, bring it all in and see if you can get a competive rate, screen rate you should be able to get.
C:  no WF branch    BRUCE: those who dont have WF banks, in 8 states, dont worry about it. call in, they have exchange locations set up for you to go to. private banking in your state, sometimes mortgage office, could have exchange center there or somewhere else. use them and call the 800 number and set up appt. they will know by zip code the closest one to you.
C: has anyone since 2013 that have exchanged paid taxes?  BRUCE:  no one has. my understanding it is a non taxable event.

C: if it happens tonight or tomorrow, you think we be exchanging sat and sunday?  BRUCE:  I think you will be yes. if happens tonight or in the morning, you be exchanging tomorrow. They could have exchange centers open immediately. take off Christmas and reopen on the 26th

C: ?  BRUCE: China wanted us to go before Christmas where we were shopping a week or two before. they want the consumerism, the cash flowing. we want that too, cash flowing.

C: before forex shuts down, good time for it to happen?   BRUCE:  Not hear the forex shut down. my opinion is, when that occurs, first of all we did think when this went through it might not even show up on the forex until the so called public to find out about it.  The real public ones not paying attention at all. that could very well be the case. 12am Christmas eve midnight if the forex not come up, that is indicator we should be up and running, and do bring it back up if on Jan 2, monday morning the 3rd for us, traders going in, i think likely possibly hold it and not show the rates.  Probably not show rates on forex till Jan 3rd. only my opinion

BRUCE:  Whole Global reset been done, just waiting for things to pop here. we have enough US power it needs to go here first then goes world wide. RV in Iraq been done, until the rate announced internationally and truly internationally, people know it, the LD will have real value.

C: is the dong still in the basket and over 3 dollars?  BRUCE:  Yes and Yes
C: rates highrer?  BRUCE:  Yes, they are moving. China wants some of these rates high. that is what they got where they want them. they are very good.   The super high rates may not be there forever. it is important you go in. there is a teaser rate, those rates on the rupiah for a week or so, or dong so people get in and exchange, the sucker rates.  These rates are the real mckoy, they will not last forever. important make appt right away, not necessary two or three days go in, but if you wait 2 or 3 weeks you could do it with your perial.

C: taxes?  BRUCE: you guys know not cpa, tax attorney, what has happen so far not a taxable event, possibly for us and hopefully remain a tax free event.
BRUE: some recommended 25, 25, 50, not like it, but you dont have to spend it in one week. the idea to put 25 to work ridiculous, put it all to work. get the money working for you. with one big bank if you leave 20 million dollars for 2 years going to get good rate.  Based on 20 million on for 2 years with interest rate i thinking about, it is 100,009 a month return. let your money work for you. say keep money working for you. if becomes a tax situation you going to have to adjust.

C: the brics in charge of this rv?   BRUCE:   They have alot of influence, not necessary in charge, they are driving it, funding this funding that, making things happening.
C: group that I am in, not call it by name. question, i heard you say not splitting the actions of your exchange bring your currency here and then here.  BRUCE: if you have a group rate and promised a very low rate, some people have. that is a decision you have to make to go with that particular group or go on your own. If they say 50cents on dong, i be gone.

C: reality of it is that 3 of the rates are exceptionally good, only one is falling short of what we were expecting originally. i better off taking that one currency take it outside of the group.  BRUCE:  bruce: if you believe like 3cents for ZIM, take it outside for example.
C: that confirms what i am thinking. packages, i really dont have understanding it, posperity packages.  BRUCE:  it goes back 20, 30 years people signed up, they were designed to get this wealth out through pay master get so much currency then have people in their group they would bless with pretty decent funds. i was never part of prosperity package. if you dont think you are in one, you probably not in one.

C: i am in one. i been told that.  BRUCE:  then you probably will get notified. some went out on Sunday. maybe still going out to some pay master. but our understanding they are in motion. stand by, dont move.
C: What is the impeditiment?  BRUCE:  Hard to say, definitely been impediments through our administration, even congress, hard to prove, hard to say exactly, but we understand those impediments been removed.

C: changes the last of the year?  BRUCE:   Very good between now and Christmas, designed to go down now. we thought it go over the weekend, it didnt. still waiting, we will see if it does.
C: are we still using Iqn, vnn, or say we want to do an exchange on our currency?             BRUCE:  There may be an advantage to use IQN, vnn, i dont think in the groups will matter. if individual, good idea to use those designations. it is the banks advantage to exchange you out in a higher level. They will do better, have more in deposit with you. they want to give you high rates.  iqn, if not under iqn go with iqd. they will know. probably better to go in day two.

C:  Do you suggest we do them all in one transaction.  BRUCE:  I like it in one transaction, more significant to the bank, more sway with the banks, more perks, possibly higher rate.
C:  Timing before we diversify?  BRUCE:  I going to diversify right away, first month. pay bills, lets say they are decent size, these are decent chunks, one maybe house, hospital bills, etc. i would use my checking acct with my little bank to do that, use cashier check to pay those bills at my little bank, not wells.  I not going to take advantage of these guys (ones you owe money to). not want to take advantage of a debt situation. make a fair adjustment if they offer you something if it is fair to you as far as hospital bill. put it in writing to me, get it out and i have a check prepared for you. stay with your word, go to bank, get cashiers check, final payment to settle that debt, I am not an expert on this area.  I would do that in your home town bank.
C:  Cap on ZIM?  BRUCE:  No cap on the ZIM.  No cap,already a big ruse as a heart attack.  The cap thing was to…..
C: Zim depegging from dollar?  BRUCE:  some countries are depegging from the dollar. some countries are dropping the dollar in the country and some countries dropping trading with the dollar. they are going with China

C:  usd used in Zimbabwe?  BRUCE:  i dont know. i think they plan on using the zimbabwe dollar
C: stay positive and get ready, i been hearing the 23rd, you heard anything?  BRUCE:  I have heard certain dates, things that need to be accomplished, have been done. it is matter of the roll out, the process getting to us. we think we are almost about there.
C: opportunity to go through WF rupiah note, wont hurt our exchange one note?  BRUCE:  I think if you have 4 currency and took one in, i dont know if it affect you or not. just in and do it all at once if you can. Just make decision yourself. not a fan of one note thing. i think if anything can hurt you if you have to sign nda, I dont think worth it. i wouldnt walk into a bank with one note without appt.

C: skr? BRUCE:  Forget skr
BRUCE:  how to say what rate on the zim, some post .57 to a dollar on un operation rate from 3014, not valid now. i wouldnt break up your currency one note hear, one note there. just go in and get it done.
C: China backing zimbabwe?  BRUCE:  Yes
C:  Hold out in the zim?         BRUCE:  You could, you could see it go up and you could see it go down. up to you how to play it.
BRUCE:  Guys, i appreciate you coming in. at this time not planning on having a call Christmas eve night. If it changes see it on dinar recaps. Today 22nd, the 28th be four years doing the big call.  Really everything going down around us in good style. believe info we getting even though we have to discern and throw out the bad info, crazy stuff out there and will be till the end. try to give good rendition and not get anybody in trouble. i looking forward to all having good Christmas, hope it goes down to have a good Christmas, if not, look forward to a new year. nothing say it going to be delay. watch for it, have faith for it, stay patient/

BRUCE:  Thank you Kent, have a great night, looking forward talking to you if not Thrusday then next Tuesday. CAll ended
THANK YOU RECAPS. I MISSED COPYING AND PASTING THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WHILE I WAS TRANSCRIBING.
c: i hope to go before Christmas, give 100 dollar gift cards… Bruce: be careful how you give. dont draw too much suspicion to draw attention to you. word going to go out fast. be wise on this, know what you are doing. like paying off layaways, that is a great idea.

c: make money to work, interest bearing acct?.....bruce: yes make money work, some form of banking investment. if you need money to pay off bills, set it aside, 6 months of living expenses you can get access to. have a little bit of fun, be wise about it. what you spend in the first couple of weeks, months, you cant get it back unless it is invested.

Bruce: spend the interest your money makes. take it easy at first, see what you can be earning with your money. be careful of the stock market, maybe nice interest banking acct making you money. i telling you products to look into. get with your cpa, ask wm for a cpa. they will provide some of these services free.

C: plan B if Plan A with 800 numbers ...  Bruce: what Kent will do if we for some reason not get the 800 numbers if they dont, Kent will go online and bring up the banks and currency departments of the banks.   Bruce: we will have a Plan B if Plan "A not happen

c: if we go in immediately will we have to be concern with first mouse, 2nd mouse?   bruce: we already had first mouse, sucker rates that people did already. the rates once it goes live, i think the rates will be strong, high. the first, 2nd mouse thing a thing of the past

POPPY3 INTEL, 23 DEC

10:22 PM] poppy3 : ok got another REPORT ON ZIM. IT HASNT RVED VALUE YET BUT IS EXPECTED AT ANYTIME. REPORT SAYS THE ONLY REASON IT HASNT IS THEY STILL PRINTING LD'S IN PREPration  FOR THE NEW VALUE. EXPECTING .03 CENTS. HOPE THIS UPDATE HELPS. NOT FROM ANY USUAL SOURCE BUT THIS SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE ESPECIALLY WITH THEM REPORTING BEING PAID NOW IN ZIM ONLY. STAND BY TOMORROW HAVE CONTACT IN NY CHECKING ON ANY UPDATED INFORMATION. TIME WILL TELL . POPPY3