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Sunday, November 25, 2012

RUMOR OF PRECIOUS, 25 NOV

RUMOR!!!

 [Precious] Sunday November 25, 2012 IMF Torpedoes ECB Part 1 of 4 by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert UNITED States of America - It can now be reported that IMF officials have informed ECB (European Central Bank) President Mario Draghi that he will not be allowed to co-mingle Wanta-Reagan-Mitterrand Protocol funds in any new ponzi scheme involving an alleged Greece bail out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXPLOSIVE BREAKING NEWS: IMF Torpedoes ECB Part 1a of 4 Sunday November 25, 2012 by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert Note: IMF implementation of the Wanta-Reagan-Mitterrand Protocols continues relentlessly with the sovereign treasuries of the European Union nation members the recipient. The IMF and the Central Bank of Austria have made the ECB irrelevant.

[Precious] Sunday November 25, 2012 IMF Torpedoes ECB Part 2 of 4 by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert IMF President Christine Lagarde has directly blocked a 31 billion European Central Bank money laundry involving the National Bank of Greece, which is basically owned by corrupt U.S. financial giants JP Morgan, its affiliate Morgan Stanley, along with Goldman Sachs and Citibank. The IMF and Lagarde are convinced that this alleged Greek bail out scheme is nothing more than an attempt to bail out the crooked cross-collateralized derivative holdings of the aforementioned financial institutions that have turned the National Bank of Greece into a Goldman Sachs gambling casi

[Precious] Sunday November 25, 2012 IMF Torpedoes ECB Part 3 of 4 by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert Note: The Supreme Court of Greece is preparing litigation that will sue the aforementioned crooked U.S. financial institutions at the International Court of Justice in the Hague. http://img198.imageshack ··· stsb.jpg source The lawsuit contains fraud charges against both Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan involving crooked mortgage backed securities that were illegally marketed to the government of Greece while Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan were actually shorting and taking the opposite side of the derivatives that were sold to the government of Greece. 

 [Precious] Sunday November 25, 2012 IMF Torpedoes ECB Part 4 of 4 by Tom Heneghan International Intelligence Expert http://cdn.theatlantic.c ··· ning.jpg (L-R) Federal Reserve Chairman Bernard Bernanke, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and IMF President Christine Lagarde source P.S. At this hour we can divulge that IMF President Christine Lagarde has once again told U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to proceed with the final addendums that will complete the bi-lateral tax agreements between the U.S. Treasury, the IMF and the Central Bank of Austria, that will complete final implementation of the Wanta-Reagan-Mitterrand Protocols. 

 [Precious] Lagarde has also told U.S. Treasury Secretary Geithner that European banking reform and recapitalization proceed with the Basel III agreement effective immediately. Again, the IMF plan includes total Protocol implementation with draw down accounts linked to the sovereign treasuries of the European Union nation members. P.P.S. At this hour, the IMF continues to order massive asset redemption and repatriation of collateralized assets aka precious and industrial metals along with oil and natural gas holdings.

[Precious] In closing, it is important to remember that final Protocol implementation will return $1.5 trillion back to the U.S. Treasury and zero out the budget deficit within sixty days.
http://www.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel/blog

[Capt Ron] Excellent post, Precious.

[watercolor] zero out the budget deficit within sixty days. Amazing!

ADAM MONTANA, CARRELLO, WILDDUCK & OTHER POST, 25 NOV


11-25-12 Adam Montana: We have been seeing reports of Biden talking to Maliki pretty consistently for quite some time now, well over 6 months. This is not a new thing. It's important to "check" that fact by comparing it to the other things Biden does. He also meets with diplomats that have nothing to do with Iraq. So the question is: "Are Biden's meetings with Maliki significant?" I can't say that they are, but we definitely want him to be meeting rather than NOT meeting Maliki.

11-25-12 Carrello: The IMF and others may have been letting Maliki dance while the preparation continues, but his time is short and the dance card will be filled soon with someone appropriate. Maliki is a dime dance. IMHO.

11-25-12 WILDDUCK: Ok, stuff is lining up. Remember months back I said the panda express "China" was driving this bus; then the big rumor VND going ahead of dinar with full IMF approval to roll after they signed their contract to pay France back. Well, that was pressure IMHO to get the foot off the brake.

IMHO, I think you will be spending it on Christmas based on what we are seeing and hearing. I think TK might have nailed it this time. 2 out of 3 major gurus have intel that lines up with what we have on the currency screens all weekend and I have screen shots as things progress.


11-25-12 Mike: Article: "Suhail looking with a representative of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) the actions taken in the case of the Central Bank." Woo Hoo! Remember the IMF is going to guarantee the funds and the money so they are out there to see what’s going on.  They are there in an advisory role but they are definitely checking to make sure that things are moving forward.

You got the World Bank, you got the IMF in there and they’re all kind-a doing their jobs, but they’re in their kinda keeping an eye on things to make sure those reserves are there. And in my research they’re still publishing there reserves somewhere between 65 and 70 Million (Billion?) dollars to the world, so nothing has gone on with those funds, so they’re pretty happy that those are there.

But again, they talk about increasing the value and making sure that they’re starting to move the poverty forward. All these things are inadvertently talking about increasing the value and that they need to move forward with that particular project. So, they’re keeping their eye on it making sure that it’s ready to go and ready to move forward putting the pressures that they can put on. All good stuff for us, we like to see this happening. They’re keeping an eye on things so it doesn’t get out of control over there on the Central Bank side.


11-25-12 Phoenix3333: Iraq's Economy - A member of the parliamentary economic said the government has failed to revive the economic situation to the lack of a clear vision.

"Abtan said there is no clear vision by the government in Almozanat previous and even next include managing the economic reality in the country. Since the fall of the former regime and until now we have not heard any talk by the government includes project economic development."

"All reports indicate that Iraq is supposed to be one of the important countries in economic terms but there is a clear deterioration as a result of confusion in the economic performance and the lack of a clear vision."

"Should be public budgets and clear to improve the living situation of many of the citizens and the provision of services and the promotion of sensitive files." 


11-25-12 Newmonies: THIS ARTICLE IS SAYING WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED YESTERDAY. MALIKI IS CONTROLLING WHO COMES AND GOES FROM THE KURDISTAN REGION. HE DOES NOT WANT THEM MEETINGS WITH THE POLITICAL LEADERS. HE FEELS THEY ARE GOING TO CONSPIRE AGAINST HIM OR MAKE AN ALLIANCE TO VOTE NO CONFIDENCE AGAINST HIM AND HIS GOVERNMENT. SOUNDS LIKE A MAN WITH A GUILTY CONSCIOUS.

"Parliamentary Legal demanding Maliki clarifications prevent the entry of vehicles region to Baghdad and the provinces." 


11-25-12 Uncirculd: "Nujaifi announces progress in mediation between al-Maliki and Barzani." Najafi is trying to make peace. Bless his little heart. He wants to believe in the PM, but the PM always seems to throw a monkey wrench in things. It's all for not. He could make all sorts of agreements with the PM, but before the ink is dry the PM will be creating a new crises. I just hope they have finalized the demise for him on paper, and get it done. Allow this country to thrive as it so deserves to.

11-25-12 Gabriel24: OK, can't confirm Forex because it's been closed since Thursday. Euro is .37 though. All Forex quotes are current as of wed night. Last trading close but I saw the VND it a high of .39 euro on Fri. Closed at .367 or something like that so basically .37 rounded off. Have to wait till Monday and see what happens.

RUMORS FROM DINARLAND,25 NOV


[11:56:41 AM] I just got off the phone with Blue skies. We talked for 25 minutes and she sounds great! She said still painful, but doing a lot better. She sends her love to everyone and thanks all for their prayers. She said prayer is very powerful. And told me to share with everyone in chat. She misses and loves you all and can't wait to get back.

[findmoney] The financial system is a mess beyond or imaginations. WORLDWIDE

[findmoney] Guys and Gals I deal with some real big time financial advisors. They are dumbfounded on whats going on.

 [Cyndee49] Findmoney dumfounded at what?

[findmoney] The biggest issue they have is there is almost flat 000000 money coming into the markets but it went up Friday

 [schipperke] findmoney hmmmmm how can that be???? Let me count the ways ol

[findmoney] They know something is screwballs with it and they dont know what to tell their clients

 [rickylee] findmoney I can't figure markets out at all right now?

[Instigator] All markets have and continue to be manipulated!
[Moonchild] rickylee like why is the euro rising despite the mess that is going on and the Greek situation still in limbo?

[rickylee] Instigator 10/4 onthat one

[woodguy 6250] findmoney if they tell them the truth they loose clients so they lie

[Moonchild] rickylee I think that the european situation is not sorted out because there is the money to do it. You would think that that would give a good incentive to rebalnce the whole mess.

[Maryrose] rickylee I'd be very surpriesed if Europe can make it until 2013 without some kind of infusion

 [rickylee] Moonchild well as it has been said we just don't know what we just don't know?

[rickylee] Maryrose I believe you are right

[vrandyshell] so what is the general guessness A) This week. B) Next Month C) Jan 2013

[.ladybug65] vrandyshell all of the above roflmao

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[flashing] Old Currencies to Be Replaced with New Ones, Say Iraqi Central Bank Iraq, November 24, 2012 On the last Saturday, Central Bank of Iraq announced that it has tied up into a contract with a British firm to recover the damaged Iraqi currencies with the new ones. In early November, the exchange is  expected to take place. The bank noted that damaged currencies constitute 1% of the currencies that are getting used into the market.

[flashing] Deputy Governor of Central Bank, Mathhar Mohammed explained, “Iraq’s Central Bank contracted with a British company specialized in printing currencies to reprint small currencies of 250 and 1000 Dinars instead of the damaged currencies in the market.

[flashing] This British company is renowned in this filed and is responsible for printing around 60% of the world’s currencies”

 [flashing] As many parts of Iraq, as well as many people of Iraq are facing difficulties with usage of currencies of 250 to 1000 Dinars, Central Government took this decision to launch new currencies into the country to facilitate the countrymen.

[.ladybug65] flashing sounds promising

[flashing] .ladybug65 right . a lot of positive news flying around :whoohoo:

[Moonchild] what has me somewhat puzzled is that they are replacing the 1000 dinar notes when those will really not be needed post RV. So if they are going to RV soon, why replace them?

[okrocks] so did they do it?? "In early November, the exchange is expected to take place."

[bamanana] okrocks that's my question too?

okrocks] bamanana been waiting to see ever since that article first came out and nothing new on it YET...

[flashing] The Wall Street bank's data shows that among all the major economies it tracks, Iraq will be the only country that will post double-digit-growth in 2012 - clocking a 10.5% improvement in GDP this year.

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 (captaincaveman)     http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8AO0DE20121125?irpc=932

[okrocks] want to be gurus and also Iraq articles have led us astray many times... it is nearly impossible to know if there are any truthful facts out there anymore.... we keep seeing old recycled articles claiming this and that and then nothing ... gurus saying this and that and then nothing...

 [okrocks] news here and there saying two different things... news articles other countries saying differently than ours do... its a nightmare

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[trebor1859] Forex open with no change in the VND so we can debunk the "live" rate showing on the screens.

[flashing] Please forget about the screens or bluff secret meetings. just keep current on news.

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 [911GTS] tell me why you all beleive that the vnd will go before the iqd? for those that beleive that

[RSK] 911GTS Not sure I believe it will...but it could with out repercussions of any kind IMO

 [911GTS] RSK what do you mean repercussions?

[RSK] 911GTS Tell me why you think it wont...and there will be your answer...lol

 [911GTS] well i will take my XXXX million dong and buy all the dinar i can

[911GTS] X how many people hold dong

[911GTS] that could be quite a pay out

[RSK] 911GTS So....? those Dinars are already out of Iraqs hands...if you dont buy them the dealers will just cash em

[911GTS] true but everything must go at the same time, all 165 countries

[Imperium] RSK only if they own them. Many dealers work on consignment. What they don't sell they have to return.

911GTS] to 1. prevent double dipping 2. all currencys resetting

[RSK] Imperium Name one ???? Ali used too but not anymore

[911GTS] and i'm not talking about us double dipping, talking countries with trillions to invest

[RSK] 911GTS That large of a currency reset or basket is a myth imo and double dipping is nonsense

[911GTS] well hope your right, i will do just that

[911GTS] dem trillions are burning a hole in my pocket

[RSK] 911GTS Who are they gonna buy them from ???

[911GTS] maliki

[RSK] 911GTS HAhaha he probably has em stashed

[911GTS] chump change

SK] 911GTS I still dont think the VND will go alone ...but it sure could imo

[911GTS] iu would buy more iqd to cover a low rv/ri

[RSK] 911GTS sure lol...till the dealers ran out

[911GTS] i would do it quick

[RSK] 911GTS not sure if the Treasury dept. could shut the dealers down///but that is a possibilty if they dont want ua to dd.

Imperium] China Launching Gold Backed Global Currency!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7dtIDBmUyc

[Imperium] Jim Willie ::  http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1340820786.php

ok rocks] 911GTS well the PTB have their hineys covered with all those articles about the IQD revalue even if it says it will be a long time... lol they told them

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 25 NOV


11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana   We have been seeing reports of Biden talking to Maliki pretty consistently for quite some time now, well over 6 months... this is not a new thing. It's important to "check" that fact by comparing it to the other things Biden does - he also meets with diplomats that have nothing to do with Iraq.  So the question is: "Are Biden's meetings with Maliki significant?" I can't say that they are, but we definitely want him to be meeting rather than NOT meeting Maliki.

11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Mike  But again, they talk about increasing the value and making sure that they’re starting to move the poverty forward… All these things are inadvertently talking about increasing the value and that they need to move forward with that particular project.  So, they’re keeping their eye on it making sure that it’s ready to go and ready to move forward...putting the pressures that they can put on… All good stuff for us, we like to see this happening… They’re keeping an eye on things so it doesn’t get out of control over there on the Central Bank side.

11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Mike  Article:   "Suhail looking with a representative of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) the actions taken in the case of the Central Bank"  Woo Hoo! Remember the IMF is going to guarantee the funds and the money…So they are out there to see what’s going on, they are there in an advisory role, but they are definitely checking to make sure that things are moving forward.  You got the World Bank, you got the IMF in there and they’re all kind-a doing their jobs, but they’re in there kind-a keeping an eye on things to make sure those reserves are there… And in my research they’re still publishing there reserves somewhere between 65 and 70 Million Dollars to the world, so nothing has gone on with those funds, so they’re pretty happy that those are there. 


11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Doc  The old arguments that the RV rate is in the new budget are surfacing once again.  We will address this one more time.  Iraq budgets based on oil production (barrels/day).  Oil is paid in USD NOT DINAR.  Iraq receives USD for its oil.  The budget converts this revenue to dinar by using the program rate which is 1160.  Allocations amongst the various government agencies is then made from this converted USD to dinar pool.  The budget is simply a reconciliation of revenue and expenses.   Now do they have an off the books budget based on the RV rate ready to go?  Most likely but we are not privy to it.

11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Kaperoni   It does not matter who is in charge of the CBI...any substantial currency changes (RV, float or whatever) would require the coordination of many agencies or departments in Iraq.  ie..security, engineering, advertising. Therefore, the CBI has to coordinate efforts for this to go forward.  And as long as Maliki has this "weak dinar" policy, it is a problem.  The question has become, will the IMF, World Bank be able to exert enough pressure on him to make a monetary change?  We all know the current conditions of the dinar, and we know the circumstances pertaining to the free market economy.   And we know the CBI is ready, what will it take to make the GOI ready?

11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Bondlady    i've basically gotten into their heads and its a crappy place to be but i had to do it to be able to understand the mind set of this culture of people.   so they will fight this crap out, its what they do  its how they settle their issues it does cost bloodshed all the time its what they do they thrive on bartering and crisis its how they settle things and they eventually will but on iraqs sundial not your timex. 

11-25-2012  Newshound Guru Bondlady    they fight to solve their problems, its the middle eastern way and if you want to understand iraq and iraqi culture and iraq politics then you have to get out of your western thinking to do it otherwise you will never understand and the opinions which you form won't be right because your looking out of the eyes of a whole separate culture...when you read iraq news if your reading it as you would american newspapers then your gonna be wrong on your interpretation of them.  i have through my work skills as a profiler  learned and studied each of the major players in iraq politics, thats how i know whats right from wrong and what they mean and say. 

Old currencies to be replaced with new ones, says CBI, 25 NOV

Old currencies to be replaced with new ones, says CBI
On the last Saturday, Central Bank of Iraq announced that it has tied up into a contract with a British firm to recover the damaged Iraqi currencies with the new ones. In early November, the exchange is expected to take place.
The bank noted that damaged currencies constitute 1% of the currencies that are getting used into the market.
Deputy Governor of Central Bank, Mathhar Mohammed explained, “Iraq’s Central Bank contracted with a British company specialized in printing currencies to reprint small currencies of 250 and 1000 Dinars instead of the damaged currencies in the market.
This British company is renowned in this filed and is responsible for printing around 60% of the world’s currencies”
As many parts of Iraq, as well as many people of Iraq are facing difficulties with usage of currencies of 250 to 1000 Dinars, Central Government took this decision to launch new currencies into the country to facilitate the countrymen.
Click here to find out more!

DISCUSSION OF WILDDUCK, 25 NOV


[WILDDUCK] goodmorning

marmeysue] WILDDUCK How are you today?

 [WILDDUCK] bouv WAS reading recaps this morning and saw boat load of iraq drama queen new, gotta remember Iraq did not invade itself and it did not drop its currency from 3.00 not nothing becuase is felt like it, if people wanna watch iraq watch it for the theater value not for signs of an RV

 [okrocks] amen now we just need WILDDUCK to bring us our RV LOL

[bouv] WILDDUCK I stopped watching it awhile ago rofl

 [okrocks] WILDDUCK can you give a brief summary as to where we are in your opinion please and thank you

[WILDDUCK] ok stuff is lining up remember months back I said the panda express "china" was driving this bus, then the big rumor VND going ahead of dinar with full IMF approval to roll after they signed their contract to pay France back, well that was pressure IMHO to get the foot off the brake.

[okrocks] WILDDUCK agreed, where does that stand right now? have you heard anything?

[WILDDUCK] okrocks fasten your seat belt
[weimar] It's fastened

okrocks] WILDDUCK ok fastened, now let 'er rip lol

WILDDUCK] weimar make sure the bar is down and locked and raise your hands you we crest the hill and head down the Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee side

barb] okrocks WILDDUCK :whoohoo: glad I have seat belt on this recliner!!! 

[weimar] Wild duck, that would / will b nice

marmeysue] WILDDUCK We are all in the seat belts, lets go... 

[okrocks] arms waving weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[#2sister] WILDDUCK sooooo you think we might see this before Christmas? I've got shopping to do! 

[Mitzi] WILDDUCK C'mon, lay it on us, please

[marmeysue] #2sister me too - when this hits can we go together? 

WILDDUCK] #2sister IMHO i think you will be spending it on Christmas based on what we are seeing and hearing, I think TK might have nailed it this time, 2 out of 3 major guru's have intel that lines up with what we have on the currency screens all weekend and I have screen shots as things progess.


[.ladybug65] WILDDUCK I sure hope so! praying

 [#2sister] WILDDUCK ty so much for you answer!!!!

[okrocks] WILDDUCK now that sounds promising even if it agrees with TK lol TY. Got to be right just ONE time... let this be that time

Mitzi] WILDDUCK you are greatly appreciated by us all and I know Historian works with TerryK too

krocks] Mitzi love Historians broad perspective

[WILDDUCK] okrocks remember every dog has its day and it's a long worm that does not ever turn

[Stitch] WILDDUCK love it!! rofl

[okrocks] Wildduck yes, so true :)

[marmeysue] WILDDUCK We will know when the forex markets open in a few hours

[WILDDUCK] ok I'm going to go make some rounds and see if things have changed be back in later.

Will Iraq be the the fast growing economy on earth?, 25 nov


Iraq need to improve its financial and legal infrastructure to attract investment, especially the financial services sector
The Wall Street bank’s data shows that among all the major economies it tracks, Iraq will be the only country that will post double-digit-growth in 2012 – clocking a 10.5% improvement in GDP this year.
China will emerge as the world’s second fastest-growing economy this year, with 7.7% GDP growth. Meanwhile, the ten most important emerging markets will only grow at 5.5% this year, weighed down by problems in OECD economies, BAML data shows.
Iraq will post a slightly lower but still impressive 8.2% growth in 2013, beating China once again (which is forecast to grow 8.2% next year), to emerge as the fastest growing economy again, according to BAML calculations.

I SAW THE VND IT A GIGH OF .39 EURO ON FRIDAY, 25 NOV


12:04 AM [Gabriel24] still on phone confirming...brb :)    ok, xcan't confirm forex because it's been closed since thursday    Euro is .37 though
12:07 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 because of the holiday

12:07 AM [Gabriel24] yes
12:07 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 ok thanks
12:07 AM [westf] so we waite til monday

12:07 AM [Gabriel24] all forex quotes are current as of wed night. Last trading close
12:08 AM [toni1960] oh ok when will they open

12:08 AM [Gabriel24] but i saw the vnd it a gigh of .39 euro on fri
12:08 AM [toni1960] westf duh monday right

12:08 AM [Gabriel24] high
12:09 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 wow so thats good

12:09 AM [Gabriel24] closed at .367 or something like that   so basically .37 rounded off
12:09 AM [toni1960] wow thanks
12:10 AM [westf] good

12:10 AM [Gabriel24] I'm just wondering why the VN CBI isn't showing anything  that's what I'm trying to confirm
12:11 AM [toni1960] oh ok thats weired if the others are 
12:12 AM [Gabriel24] hve to wait till monday and see what happens  too many typos tonight  

12:12 AM [msjeta1] doesn't Forex open tomorrow afternoon 515p est?
12:13 AM [toni1960] msjeta1 your right i think it does sunday right

12:13 AM [Gabriel24] must be that darn typo virus go around !
12:13 AM [msjeta1] so we only have to wait till tomorrow afternoon and pray we see something then
12:13 AM [Gabriel24] msjeta1 seems that way  but it has been actively trading
12:14 AM [toni1960] msjeta1 i pray we see something
12:14 AM [msjeta1] Gabriel24 that really confuses me but it doesn't take much some times  

12:15 AM [Gabriel24] toni1960 you and me both  
12:15 AM [msjeta1] I don't understand how it can be actively trading in other places and not here

12:15 AM [Gabriel24] msjeta1 because the forex is closed :)
12:16 AM [toni1960] msjeta1 i know thats strange
12:16 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 ok  
12:16 AM [msjeta1] Gabriel24 if its closed here isn't it closed everywhere?

12:16 AM [Gabriel24] msjeta1 no, every country has their own system :) just like the stock market
12:17 AM [msjeta1] Gabriel24 oh so can they still keep it off our Forex?

12:17 AM [Gabriel24] msjeta1 yes
12:17 AM [msjeta1] Gabriel24 well thats just not fair we need to complain  
12:17 AM [Gabriel24] if you go to netdamia and type in vnd/usd it will say wait

12:18 AM [Gabriel24] msjeta1 I agree  
12:18 AM [msjeta1] Gabriel24 yes I did that

12:19 AM [Gabriel24] ok friends, need to walk the dogs. will try to get back in before chat closes :)
12:19 AM [whosonfirst] OK I don't want to be a Ney Sayer, BUT if its trading at say 5 cents in Europe, or $50,000 per million VND, why is that I can place an order on travelex.com and buy a million for $53.00????

12:20 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 thank you  

12:20 AM [Gabriel24] whosonfirst .47 is 47 cents not 4.7 cents :)
12:20 AM [westf] Gabriel24 ty gn    god bless you
12:20 AM [happyjack] whosonfirst good question...prolly cause it ain't changed yet....lol

12:21 AM [Gabriel24] .047 is closer to 5 cents  westf you as well my friend :)
12:22 AM [toni1960] whosonfirst thats a good price
12:23 AM [msjeta1] oh well it is what it is and it will rv when its time not until so think I will head for bed now cya tomorrow     

12:29 AM [RicDavis] I don't think anything has changed on the VND. CoinMill is showing 1000 VND for $ 0.047 which is about 21,000 dong to the dollar
12:29 AM [RicDavis] Hi toni/west
12:30 AM [toni1960] RicDavis oh ok thank you

12:30 AM [RicDavis] Oops. It just went up to $ 0.048  Thats going the wrong  way
12:32 AM [toni1960] RicDavis it's moving

12:33 AM [RicDavis] toni1960 not much. Could just be a rounding factor
12:33 AM [toni1960] RicDavis it's to go down right

12:34 AM [RicDavis] Yep
12:34 AM [toni1960] RicDavis i hope it does

12:34 AM [Gabriel24] RicDavis RicDavis from coinmill: The exchange rate for the Viet Nam Dong was last updated on November 23, 2012 from Yahoo Finance. The VND

12:34 AM [RicDavis] NP   Gabriel24 How much for 1000 dong?

12:35 AM [Gabriel24] Good thing I looked at this before i left the house  
12:36 AM [Gabriel24] RicDavis they take thir quotes from Yahoo. forex was closed for the holidays. The USD rates are irrelevant :)

12:36 AM [RicDavis] This United States Dollar and Viet Nam Dong convertor is up to date with exchange rates from November 25, 2012.

12:37 AM [Gabriel24] RicDavis look at the second last line :)  Anyhoo, dogs are looking at me funny    . try to get back before chat closes :)

12:46 AM [da58] RicDavis what many are missing, and very very possible - is - foreign currencies tend to show 1,000 when it means 1.000. 1000 generally means 1.000 - and..if so - coinmill, which is showing the 1000 - .047 would coincide with the netdania and investingmsn sites exactly

12:46 AM [da58] which clculate to .47
12:47 AM [da58] calculate...sheesh...this wine doesn't spell too well1

12:48 AM [westf] da58 join the club tonight  
12:48 AM [RicDavis] da58 You are probably right
12:48 AM [da58] westf I'ts a darn good club1
12:48 AM [toni1960] da58 amen !!!

12:49 AM [RicDavis] But that don't mean it won't happen
12:49 AM [westf] da58 you got that right and we have a good time too

2:49 AM [toni1960] RicDavis RicDavis hope to see it soon

12:49 AM [da58] RicDavis who knows...but - it's the only way I can explain this discrepency..it's the same with iraq - that zero being replaced by a period.   not zero - I mean comma   not a comma - a commie!!!  

   12:50 AM [toni1960] so is this all good or bad
12:51 AM [RicDavis] You want a prediction on the IQD rate?
12:51 AM [da58] not much - but makes em match.

12:52 AM [westf] da58 its round in here we don't have corners  
12:52 AM [da58] sure - RicDavis waht ya say??
12:52 AM [toni1960] RicDavis sure

12:52 AM [RicDavis] $ 11+
12:52 AM [da58] RicDavis street?

2:52 AM [RicDavis] Any you want to know why
12:52 AM [toni1960] RicDavis that sounds good     sure why
12:53 AM [westf] why

12:53 AM [da58] RicDavis street rate?
12:53 AM [toni1960] da58 street

12:53 AM [RicDavis] Exchange entity rate
12:53 AM [da58] RicDavis at least!!!!!   ok - why?
12:54 AM [toni1960] i believe it will be high imo

12:54 AM [da58] me too
12:54 AM [westf] i don't care just get it done but high is better

12:54 AM [Gabriel24] IQD RV has to meet budget ;)

12:55 AM [toni1960] and i believe we will see this by christmas

12:55 AM [RicDavis] I seem to remember from my old high school civics teacher that there is some Federal Law that the US Government can not make make money from the American citizens.

12:55 AM [toni1960] Gabriel24 true
12:55 AM [Gabriel24] A simple way of doing this is to take the debt owed and divide it by currency on hand

12:56 AM [da58] toni1960 I believe before tues
12:56 AM [westf] 4 min warning                             (till closing of room)
12:56 AM [swampyjackpot] RicDavis They won';t "make" money fromt he americqan Citizens... they will just tax them.

12:56 AM [RicDavis] Also as I remember about 2 years ago before most of the US soldiers left Iraq, Obama made a deal with Iraq to purchase the IQD for over $ 11

12:56 AM [toni1960] da58 i hope so
12:56 AM [toni1960] swampyjackpot so true

12:57 AM [RicDavis] And the US could cash in the dinars they hold for oil at $ 32 per barrel.
12:57 AM [Gabriel24] RicDavis that is correct. this is why the IQD could not RV before. the banks wantd over 10 RV rate

12:57 AM [westf] time to say gn god bless you all and as always go rv

12:57 AM [da58] the higher the group rate , the higher the deposits in wf...(I think it will be a neg thing - laid out on paper, based on what percentage you are willing to leave on deposit.. - the more you agree to leave - the higher your rate...

12:58 AM [RicDavis] So if the US Government (Exchange Entity) buys our dinars they would have to give us the same rate that Iraq will be giving the US

12:58 AM [Gabriel24] RicDavis depends on the spread
12:58 AM [RicDavis] Spread has nothing to do with it

12:59 AM [da58] why? cuz - fractional banking - is based on deposits in the bank ...and - china (wf) wants to desperately use fractional banking before year end..

12:59 AM [Gabriel24] toni1960 good night :)
12:59 AM [westf] gn toni