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Monday, November 12, 2012

Study: Iraq’s economy is facing two options either liberal or return to the national central economic , 12 NOV


Study: Iraq’s economy is facing two options either liberal or return to the national central economic
Posted 11/11/2012 05:25 AM

Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq the appearance of Mohammed Saleh, said that Iraq’s economy is confusion among national liberal restricted to Chapter VII and the return to centralized economic control high on the movements of capital flowing outward.

He noted in his study agency received National Iraqi News copy them to “The country lost production factors of labor and capital to settle in kegs outside the country, according to economic Maigal to about one million households or less livelihood for most financial transfers from within the country.”

At the level of economic openness, Saleh said “Iraq could not before continuing isolation after 2003 on world markets but integration with regional markets and bear the problems of the current regional situation with that country remain remnants of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and regional changes.”

He pointed out that “Iraq faces two choices either harmony with the movement lock neoliberal widening escalation, with carrying Problems Chapter VII imposed, or not to continue in the form of the liberal put arrangements economic and financial since 2003 holds being a way to alleviate international restrictions is Direct imposed on Iraq until the moment. 


Alternate Translation:
Study: Iraq’s economy faces two choices: either national or return to the liberal central economic
Posted 11/11/2012 05: 25 AM
Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq the appearance of Mohammed Saleh, Iraq’s economy witnessed a loss between national liberal restricted to Chapter VII and return to central economic control on capital movements flowing outwards.

The study has received the national Iraqi news agency copy to “that country lost production factors of labour and capital to settle in the country as economic incubators told for about 1 million or less makes its living on financial transfers from within the country.”

At the level of economic openness Saleh said “Iraq was unable to continue its isolation from world markets after 2003 but regional markets and integration with the current regional situation and problems with the country’s continued legacy of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and regional changes.

He said Iraq faces either the harmony with the newly emerging liberal block escalation, with shoulder problems Chapter VII imposed on it, or not to continue to shape the liberal economic and financial arrangements since 2003 as an afterthought as a means to alleviate the international indirect constraints imposed on Iraq until the moment “.

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http://www.almashriqnews.com/inp/view.asp?ID=31780



Terminology:

The term neoliberal is now normally associated with laissez-faire economic policies, and is used mainly by those who are critical of market reform.

Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist lines, such that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by private individuals and not by collective institutions. It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, but it is always based on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production.




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ONLY A FEW MORE DAYS AND WE SHOULD SEE OUR BLESSING, 12 NOV

[TERRYK] HEY ALL
[Rebel13] TK
[TERRYK] WHATS GOING ON TODAY
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[TERRYK] NANO
[TERRYK] WHATS GOING ON
[Rebel13] states pulling out 
[TERRYK] I SEE YOU GOT YOUR COLORS ANGEL
[TERRYK] CONGRADS AGAIN
[TERRYK] WHAT IM HEARING ITS ONLY A FEW MORE DAYS
[TERRYK] AND WE SHOULD SEE OUR BLESSING 
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[[TERRYK] SO ANY NEWS TODAY
[Rebel13] TK what's your opinion on the states petitioning to leave the US
[TERRYK] I DONT LIKE IT
[TERRYK] REBEL
[Rebel13] 22 so far
[TERRYK] IT WILL START ANOTHER CIVIL WAR
[tradewind1] Hey tk china still happy
[TERRYK] YES THEY ARE
[Rebel13] there speech is Wed right 
[TERRYK] CHINA IS TOMORROW 
[TERRYK] OBAMA IS WED
[TERRYK] IS WHAT I WAS TOLD
[Rebel13] oh ok
[honeybee] TK was the 18th China National Congress meeting today the speech you were talking about? on C=Span....Is that the one you said they'd have? or is there another one tomorrow that we should watch?
[TERRYK] I WAS TOLD IT WAS TUESDAY HONEYBEE
[TERRYK] THEY ARE TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC RECOVERY
[TERRYK] OBAMA IS TALKING ECOMOMIC REFORM
[comet] these  speeches ... are they coming out of UN or ??
[TERRYK] I DONT KNOW COMET
[honeybee]    they talked for a long time about the reshuffling of top economic policies and leaders
[TERRYK] I DONT KNOW HONEYBEE
[TERRYK] BE RIGHT BACK
[Rebel13] wonder what time that China speech will be 
[TERRYK] WILL BE WHAT IT BE
[TERRYK] I HOPE THEY SAY RV
[TERRYK]  LOL
[Kennypth]    ...Will they be that bold and use the term RV......or will they bring in the RV behind the scene unannounced and silently as possible?
[TERRYK] I REALLY CANT ANSWER THAT KENNY
[TERRYK] HEY USAREMENTOR
[TERRYK] HOW YOU DOING TONIGHT
[USAREMENTOR] Terryk: doing well, and you?
[TERRYK] GOOD YOU STAYING OUT OF TROUBLE
[TERRYK] IM COUNTING DINAR AS WE SPEEK
[TERRYK] OH CRAP
[TERRYK] MIS COUNTED
[Kennypth]    ....Do you think you will get any intel tonight or we waiting for later....tomorrow ans Wednesday and Thursday?
[TERRYK] IM WAITING FOR A CALL KENNY
[TERRYK] TO BE HONEST
[DISHMAN] Is the new Chinese leader speaking tomorrow xi jingping
[TERRYK] SO TELL ME A STORY DISH
[TERRYK] YES
[TERRYK] I HEAR HE IS
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[TERRYK]  LOL
[superdj567] Hey TK....Did China do an announcement/speech today?
[TERRYK] THATS TOMORROW SUPER
[TERRYK] OK ALL GOING TO HAVE DINNER
[TERRYK] IT JUST SHOWED UP
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[TERRYK] OK

THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, THE LONGER IT WILL BE BEFORE ANY CURRENCY CHANGE AND RAISE VALUE CAN HAPPEN, 12 NOV


KAPERONI:  I just want to clarify, Shabibi himself said he cannot come back unless the warrrent (without bail) is cancelled.  He also states.."could be take me to a place no one knows and that's what makes me fearful of returning to Baghdad."

In others words, one of Maliki's secret prisons never to be seen again....and a dead man.     All of this occured before the Skype video...now that Shabibi has called out Maliki via video,

IMO there is no chance Maliki will let up..he simply cannot or he will look corrupt.  In fact, as I stated, I expect Maliki to file additional charges on Shabibi.

This is very unfortunate for our investment, and clearly a setback.  The best we can ask for at this point is that Iraq moves forward and gets a skilled man in that position soon.  The longer this goes on, the longer it will be before any currency change and raise in value can happen.

TLAR:   respectfully I disagree that this is unfortunate for our investment.  I too felt this way last week but came to realize that the war between Shabibi and Maliki in and of itself would not allow the currency to change.

Maliki and the SOL now have to deal with where the CBI is at this moment.  There are certain realities that they face.  I think they just realized that when they agreed to the IMF that they would cancel the ration cards in March 2013.  
TLAR CONTINUES:The shear fact that they are attempting to move in sync with the IMF to me shows that they are concerned about what their doing and how it looks.  Maliki in my opinion wants investment to come pouring into Iraq.  He has said as much just recently. 

He will come to find that a healthy bank means a healthy Iraq.  If he is seen trying to rob the reserves as Shabibi accuses him and his party, I believe he is smart enough to know there are dire consequences in his dealings with the IMF and the World bank.

He needs investment and he needs loans.  He will realize he has to play the game plus his guy, Turkri is not a rookie by any means.  There are certain things Iraq must do to gain the respect of the international community.

 I believe that they just attempted to do one which makes me believe that the IMF post Shabibi, will play an even bigger guidance role for this government and in particular the bank.

 Maliki will come to understand that if he does not play by international rules that he will be excluded from the game.  Glass half full or half empty.  This is not yet decided but IMHO we will know the direction in the next 2 weeks.

 If they seem to be following the rules to inter the international banking system, my best guess is the RV is still on.  If they rob the piggy, then the RV is off.  Also the tariff and tax law that was postponed now two times is still on to be implemennted in January unless it was postponned again and I didn't see the article.

 If it is still on then so must the RV still be on.  You can't install taxes and tariffs without an RV or it would be like strapping a ball and chain to their economy.  All of this is MHO.

TOBYBOY:   Reading these articles it does appear that Maliki is putting himself in corner. I still believe that Dr Shabibi is going to win out on this battle. Its coming out more corrupt in Maliki's authority. More support everyday for Shabibi.

As I said believe this is going to drag out. Lord knows what Maliki's people have done to the 20 women he had arrested. I feel we see the victory for Shabs but will take some time hope we don't see these women disappear.

BIGMAMA     shabbs will be back..this is his baby and the imf, the wb, the un and unami all came to shabbs rescue and stopped the arrest warrant..this is no arrest warrant even the supreme judicial judge that the u.s. went to see said he knew nothing of it..

shabbs wants the people, especially the women that were arrested at the cbi let out on bail so they can go before the judicial and present a case of their innocence..

its all in articles..shabbs stated on the skype call that yes he is afraid of being taken somewhere to never return..he did out maliki big time, and the arms deal was a seal of maliki's fate.

.talabani and barzani just had a meeting this weekend and barzani basically told talabani you can no longer rely on him abiding by any other agreements, and you cant hide rake what other crap he is doing under the rug anymore..

so they both said that they will have an alliance with the iraqyia(which is allawi) and no longer with the national alliance..which could mean that they have established a majority opposition government and by doing that they no longer after to replace maliki from the national alliance bloc.

.the constitution states if the pm is replaced then the president picks from the largest bloc..get it.. they have given him enough rope to hang himself and he did..

the ration card item was not at the request of the imf to just stop it..they said to come up with a way to replace it after a study..even the articles stated that the council of ministers said it was not even on the agenda to be discussed, maliki brought it up and they voted just that quick to get rid of it and go to cash..just think about this...

 we know they needed to get rid of this program to a certain degree but the alloted money was supposed to go on the new biometric card that alot of them have gotten already...

what another way for maliki to sabotage shabb's plan than to give them cash instead of the new card...i cant believe that no one sees what a black market this will start, which is exactly where maliki can go to get his cash..

if he is such a great pm and he knows their is corruption in the ration card system then out the ones that are doing it..he cant cause he is one of them...i will ask this then..

if the un thinks it is okay for maliki to just hold more than 300 positions by proxy then why havent they pushed kuwait harder to get the items done..

it wasnt just all iraq in this deal..you watch...they talk of chapter 7 and the imf and wb items and the wto items, because they already know that the power sharing is going to happen..
.no erbil..no rv, ri. float what ever you want to call it..

he would still have his hands in all 300 of thoses proxy positons cookie jars and there is no way the u.s. will allow that they have already said they are coming out harder against iraq, syria and iran now that the elections are over....good grief..

with the whole economic world backing shabbibi you think they will allow him to push him out?...i think not..let the arts shake out and we will see, but i remember many throwing shabbs under the bus right off the bat saying he was corrupt and we are slowly finding out differently and just give shabbs enough time ..i think he will be the one to bring down maliki..its only fitting..its the money men..   November 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

KAPERONI: "but i remember many throwing shabbs under the bus right off the bat saying he was corrupt"     DA never once said this...In fact we took a stand and said "Shabs was the good guy" from day one.

DISCUSSION OF MILLIONDAY , 12 NOV



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[Fresh] Kuwaiti official: Iraq would emerge from Chapter VII is soon Guessed Council support Kuwaiti-Iraqi relations yesterday that the vote of the United Nations on the liberation of Iraq from Chapter VII early next year through an Iraqi request –

Kuwaiti, and stressed that Kuwait informed the International Foundation in collaboration Iraq fully in this area, noting that the Kuwaiti Prime Minister will sign a protocol final in this regard when visiting Baghdad early next month, while MPs expressed their welcome exit Iraq from international sanctions, stressing that the debt need to be approved by the National Assembly to repeal or reduction.

The head of the Council Hamoud Al-Khalidi in an interview (range Press), “The first month of the year (2013) will see an end to all outstanding issues between Iraq and Kuwait,” noting that “Kuwait has completed its mission and handed United Nations documents full remove Iraq from Chapter VII.” 
He guessed Khalidi that the United Nations voted to remove Iraq from Chapter VII “in the month of January next,” and explained that “Kuwait informed the United Nations Iraq’s cooperation fully in revealing the fate of prisoners and missing persons and the National Archives, and this is what was hampering Multi exit Iraq from Chapter VII , “pointing out that” the United Nations Organization has its own modus operandi and would invite to a meeting to consider the request from Kuwait and Iraq. “

[Fresh] This makes perfect sense... they said most of this year Kuwait would make a move on Ch 7 release towards the end of this year - specifically December... so we may see the last formal "hand shakes" in December and they go official with it any time between then and January...

[allinxpress] Sounds great! IMO, they wont do this and not change the exchange rate of the Dinar...

[ROBINREDHED] agreed

NUMBERS] allinxpress what do you mean??

[Fresh] allinxpress this matches up perfectly with the other articles stating they will begin the process or raising value, etc in January and the process will take 2+ years to complete...

[Fresh] so they release CH7 right around beginning of year and start the process

[clay] Fresh RV?

[allinxpress] Makes the most sense to me* *

[millionday] there is a report coming out at the end of the month

[millionday] so

[millionday] we will not have to wait to have some info that long at all

[Fresh] clay could be my friend :-)

[millionday] i have a very long article but i am just going to tel you about it

[allinxpress] millionday Please tell me i read correctly and Parliament approved the 2013 budget today..

[DT N AZ] what ever happened to National Conference early November?

[allinxpress] Monday, 12 November, 2012 0 Comments and 1 Reaction House of Representatives passed its budget listed within the financial budget of the state for the year 2013. A parliamentary source said on Monday that “the House of Representatives approved the first reading of the federal budget for fiscal 2013 budget for the next year in addition to the budgets of the Judicial Council and the Federal Court.”

[millionday] let me see what my source has hun

[millionday] but first let me say this iran and iraq are meeting and kurds want them to come there for trade agreements so the tension seems to have lifted some but lets wacth it

[millionday] brb with this other

[millionday] also leader meeting

[allinxpress] as long as the MPs keep thier mouths shut.. tensions should stay down. I get so frustrated when i see some MP saying there wont be a resolve and things of that nature

[millionday] Congress voted in the thirty-second meeting held under the chairmanship of Osama's House and in the presence of 167 deputies, Monday, to draft bills proposed in finished first and second readings of the three laws, including the federal budget for 2013, as well as hosting the Ministers of finance and trade on the ration card, decide to adjourn the meeting to be held on Tuesday, 20 November.

[millionday] A statement to the House of representatives received (News News Agency) a copy of: the Council voted on the draft law on economic and technical cooperation agreement between the Government of the Republic of Iraq and the Government of the People's Republic of China economy and investment committees and external relations and legal for the purpose of further development of friendly relations with China. The statement said: after the Council voted in principle to continue reading the fifth amendment to the Council of State Act No. 65 of 1979 and by the legal Committee.

[millionday] note -- 1979

[allinxpress] They cant reallly be taking another week off.... can they?

[millionday] The statement said: the Board did vote on the proposal of the law on the prevention of coercion to change nationality and legal Committee which aims to establish the principle of citizenship and equality and that the resolution is contrary to the rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution. The statement said: the Board completed the first reading of the draft law of the federal public budget of the Republic of Iraq for the fiscal year 2013 Finance Committee.

[millionday] note -- first reading

[allinxpress] so they didnt vote it in?

[millionday] no but lets look at the whole report

[millionday] The President of the Council said: the meeting next Tuesday will see the second reading of the draft budget law to be subject of discussion at meetings of the Board shall meet every week until the vote, saying: the Board committees in cooperation with the Government will have a say in the budget. In the latest Iraq: stressed the importance of submitting final accounts approved by the Council of Ministers with the federal budget, pointing out that the House has repeatedly called on the Government to provide in every year, calling on the Government to address the shortcomings and delays in not send final accounts in full and authenticated.

[millionday] Its net debt said fineness of the State Secretary for the Chamber of Deputies: respect for constitutional House know closing accounts for the balance within his control, pointing out that the Cabinet was keen to give final accounts that were ready, although some inaccurate statements in some molecules being addressed substantively, promising that the final accounts for the year 2011 ready early this year and approved by the Council of Ministers. The statement revealed: that Iraq announced on a special session next week to host the Ministers of finance and planning and

[millionday] the President of the audit to discuss the delayed final accounts to the Federal fiscal balance of previous years and know the problems encountered in providing accounts quickly. The statement added: the Board concluded the second reading of the draft law of the Republic of Iraq to the International Convention for the Suppression of terrorist bombings and of the committees on foreign relations and security and defence.

[millionday] In interventions on the Bill good MP Bayezid that Iraq has witnessed in recent years numerous terrorist attacks, pointing out that joining the Convention would allow him to address these attacks. MP Riad ghareeb said: it is in the interest of Iraq to accede to the Convention as it would contribute to the strengthening of cooperation between Iraq and the countries of the world in the area of prosecution of offences falling within the Convention's attention

[millionday] The Deputy Minister suggested Risalat Najib: rapid enactment of the ratification of conventions and the Council should have the right to modify the agreements. Bahaa Al-araji, Deputy recommended: not to join the Convention as it does not represent or warrant the commitment of neighboring countries or join her as well as the vagueness of the concept of terrorism is not shown safety of the country.

[millionday] note - skipping to information we need

[millionday] The statement added: the Board voted to approve the draft resolution proposed budget for Council of representatives of Iraq for the fiscal year 2013. And the statement: that the Council voted on a draft resolution with the proposed budget of the Supreme Judicial Council for the financial year 2013.

[millionday] The statement said: the House guest of Rafe Al-Issawi finance and Khairallah Babiker, Trade Minister in a general invitation to discuss the ration card. At the beginning of the hosting assured Khairallah Babiker Trade Minister 4 proposals for reform of the ration of nutrient delivery to citizens, adding: there is reluctance in the arrival of food because of some obstacles.

[millionday] He drew the earliest: a number of proposals put forward for discussion in the Council of Ministers, inter alia, provide a food basket of supplies purchased by distinct is solid companies as well as a proposal for the granting of financial allocations to the provinces to provide a ration card with a proposal to provide a cash allowance to citizens to buy food. And Trade Minister to Council of Ministers decision No cancellations but the decision to replace food with cash allowance that the ration is not the level of ambition because of the problems and constraints to verify the interest of citizens, adding:

[millionday] that all those working to reform the system of ration cards and increasing financial allocations, indicating a problem with the families of fake ration cards registered with the discovery of more than 3,000 fake ration card for families. Rafe Al-Issawi, between the Minister of finance had been allocated 4 trillion to import vocabulary ration, Navia: to be released includes the abolition of the ration.

[millionday] Al-Issawi said here that the Cabinet discussed the issue of ration items or keep payments to citizens under the ration system reform trends, denying the existence of any Minister accepts the ration card, adding that the Council of Ministers had been looking lately that the Commerce Department stores for any surprises and that the central markets are prepared to face any monopoly situation for food. And in the interventions of lawmakers felt the placeholders etab League: requesting that the success of the cash allowance can succeed if an in-depth study and thoughtful noting:

[millionday] to increase the sums allocated as cash allowance could contribute to addressing poor food ration because people deserve great attention, calling for the restoration of the central market and control the movement of the market to adjust prices. Bahaa Al-araji, Deputy: Council of Ministers decision on the ration cards that he was not informed of all aspects of social, economic and political.

[millionday] to increase the sums allocated as cash allowance could contribute to addressing poor food ration because people deserve great attention, calling for the restoration of the central market and control the movement of the market to adjust prices. Bahaa Al-araji, Deputy: Council of Ministers decision on the ration cards that he was not informed of all aspects of social, economic and political.

note -- the amount in this next part is listed a little different

[millionday] things that make you go hmmmm

[millionday] MP Haider Al-Abadi said: the recent decision of the Ministers Council was right to re-examine a ration for pointing that the idea of cash allowance was on the table for years. His attorney suggested Ahmed Al-alwani: cash allowance of $ 50 in accordance with a clear mechanism to address the poor vocabulary of ration cards. He confers to the Deputy: a flaw in the procedure used in the marketing of the issue of reform of the ration:

[millionday] return of the adoption of national and social security number to select the categories covered. MP Walid criticized ornaments: not an early media campaign about the decision to ration and deal with the issues scientifically and national. Turn Attorney Adnan al-Janabi said: the importance of access to ration the poor vocabulary until the integration project of social protection and insurance.

[millionday] and insurance -- very good -- as the same with visa ect

[millionday] This was adjourned to Tuesday 20/11/2012./

[millionday] so lets say this

[millionday] we have constant meetings and a rush on moving the budget forward and the ration issues and investment laws

[millionday] brb with the other meeting

[millionday] The Chairman of the Iraqi Islamic Supreme Council Ammar Hakim, on Monday evening, with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the President of the National Alliance for the country's political situation. A source (News Agency news) Monday: wise, reviewed Thursday evening, in his Office in Baghdad, with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and President of Iraq National Alliance Ibrahim Al-Jaafari, the political situation in the country, the meeting was attended by the Iranian Ayatollah Sheikh Nuri al-hamadaani, Deputy of the National Alliance.

[millionday] this is a bad report -- i will bring something more substantial tonight about it

[millionday] brb with more

[millionday] now this implies that they are moving forward for sure

[millionday] The member of the economic and investment commission in the House of Representatives MP Abdul Salam al-Maliki to convene a world conference to encourage investment and reconstruction in the province of Basra. Maliki said in a statement published by "news agency public opinion," Sunday, said that the province enjoys weighty economic and geographical large in Iraq and the region as a port Iraqi Europe to the Gulf and Asian countries, and especially at the completion of the draft port of Faw, which will be gateway to Europe on the Gulf.

[millionday] He called al-Maliki and the Ministry of Trade and Investment Authority to coordinate with the local authority in Basra to hold large global conference involving the best and largest international companies in the field of investment and reconstruction. He stressed "the need for concerted all government efforts to hold this conference and move to maintain Ngo welfare and economic progress and service, noting that the province of Basra have big money within budget, and especially their share of petrodollars,

[millionday] in addition to other imports, which will play a role in pushing these companies to competition and market access visual

[millionday] so a huge global conference is a good thing

[millionday] brb with more

[tjohnson1400] millionday but they need a better rate then what it is now

[millionday] yes they do

[tjohnson1400] millionday so what is the hold up???????

[allinxpress] Ok, so Parliament IS off until Tuesday 11/20?

[sisterbreen] allinxpress yes

[allinxpress] wow. unreal.

[The s family] Not unreal.....normal

[millionday] note -- meaning investment outside the country

[millionday] that article was full of info -- i agree -- looks like they are all screaming for movement -- very good

[millionday] According to a member of the Legal Committee National Alliance MP Hassoun Fatlawi, there is no objection to the law of parties, especially as the legal committee completed the final draft and make adjustments, revealing the most important amendments to this law. Fatlawi said in a statement (of the Agency news): surprised at the statements by some political blocs for a Clogged parties before passing the law because the law has just been completed finalized and that the Legal Committee law will be presented to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives to enter the agenda. He added: that the law will pass within the parliament because it would significantly limit the external interventions affairs because it prevents parties external financing.

[millionday] The MP pointed out the mass of citizens to: that the most important amendments paragraphs parties law is decoding Affairs Department parties which were linked to the Ministry of Justice and linked Commission of the Electoral, as well as be party funding from the government and proposed the Ministry of Finance and its exposure to the cabinet for a vote and then the Department of Affairs parties distribute blocks according to certain ratios and controls, and taken guidance and the gift of State approval of the Commission. The leader of the State of Law Coalition MP / National Alliance / Kamal-Saadi, confirmed the existence of political parties "unnamed" has disabled the adoption of the law of parties in order to ensure access to finance physical.

[millionday] Saadi said in a press statement released by his office received Agency (news) copy of it: "The law of parties has been included in the agenda of the House of Representatives several times and has some of the discussions he and I stopped because there are substances see where some it (does not fit with democracy) with the aim real behind it to ensure the continuation of external support, as well as illegal roads which finance their parties. Saadi added: that the most dangerous thing in the law of parties is funding because adjust operations funding to be established by the parties to the legal action and questioned from where did you get this ", past to say" I saw some people trying to disrupt this law to the end of the next election cycle.

[millionday] so we can see that they are working and laws are rolling --

[millionday] note -- the iranian leader left without meeting with Maliki -- things that make you go hmmmm

[millionday] so they seem to have a rush which we like and we should see alot going on with all that must move forward in nov

[millionday] meaning the exchange of the damaged currency -- the national -- the UN meeting -- the compliance of the US per agreement

[millionday] the hcl -- the fifth rounds for carbon and the global investment conference

[millionday] oh and

[millionday] ect

[millionday] smile

[millionday] now is the perfect time to ask or say anything you would like to know or share

[The s family] Has the exchange of the damaged currency started? Sorry if I missed it

[millionday] no it hasn't started yet

[JMillerTexan] millionday if the cbi is sep from the govt, why did shabibi have to ask maliki to fire the 4 goons who are now making the news as being corrupt? couldn't he have done it himself?

[millionday] he has no power to fire with proxy being in place as a temp fix

[hstrymknwmn] Millionday do we know when the damaged money is being exchanged yet

[DINARHOPES] millionday do you think this will go to 2013 just your opinion

[millionday] the money is exchanged in nov -- they said first part[/COLOR]

[hstrymknwmn] Ok ty

[The s family] If they are off til the 20th...don't they go back on break on the 25th for a month? For the holiday?

[millionday] anyone that tells you they know when the rv is -- is not being truthful but i will tell you this this next couple weeks will show the progress we need in the laws or not and then we will have a better idea

[pollysue] Question do you think with what is going on with Israel will slow things down?

[millionday] they are not being secret about their intention to not delay

[millionday] no i dont --

[millionday] sunnyca everyday until next tuesday until investment laws and budget are agreed through the next reading and vote

[sisterbreen] millionday is rv b4 or after ch 7

[millionday] sisterbreen -- they both are dependent on each other

[millionday] like the chicken and the egg hun

[millionday] so we will see you all at 630 est tonight

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 12 NOV


11-12-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   Article:  "SLC MP: Infrastructure, General Amnesty law drafts not to be discussed before holding national meeting"   These SLC “power thugs” dream about this being held off until after the elusive “National Meeting”. The way I see it – this is coming whether they like it or not. The Parliament is moving fast doing the people’s business whether these top few “fat cat” politicos like or not. 

11-12-2012  Newshound Guru Kaperoni   Shabibi is now a dead man if he comes back to Iraq.  This is exactly what happened with Hashimi.  Maliki will never let the warrant end, in fact, I now expect new charges to surface.  Therefore Shabibi can never come back.  The one thing he was able to do was expose the modis operandi of Maliki.  Will it have an effect?   time will tell.

11-12-2012  Newshound Guru Tlar   IMHO it will be hard to continue to keep Iraq under Chapter VII from this point on because the only thing left was the issue involving Kuwait. Kuwait knows its time to release Iraq and the Imir has stated he will support Iraq at the UNSC. As far as the Kurds and Bagdad, yes there is and most likely will be a large gap between them and Bagdad.  The HCL will silence most of their complaints.  

11-12-2012  Newshound Guru Mountainman   Another article came out today speaking of introducing new lower denoms this month!! We've been watching this closely for a while now. The plan is to introduce coins and delete the zeros for ease in the market place. There is absolutely no point in doing this unless they were also planning on raising the value. IMO this is the best sign that we could see a RV before January. The CBI spoke of the British company they hired to print and mint the new currency and they are using the excuse "damaged" currency. The truth is the CBI contracted this company long ago for the purpose of introducing new LDs with three Kurdish icons featured on the new currency with three zeros omitted from the denominations and the value raised. This "damaged currency" is just their new cover story. November could be a big month for investors if they stay on track for this target date.

11-12-2012  Intel Guru TerryK    [Do you think the Dong will go before the dinar?]   I DID LAST WEEK BUT NOW BEING TOLD THEY WILL BOTH GO TOGETHER.   

11-12-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   Article:  "Kurdistan: All the members of the Legal Committee voted on the demarcation of provincial boundaries"  Wow – this is very big news. Parliament appears to be taking the “bull by the horns” and are moving forward at an incredible pace. Once our elections were over and everyone has a handle on the future – they are “moving out” at the quick step.

11-12-2012  Newshound Guru Mike   Maliki is trying to get rid of the Ration cards - well they are not too happy with that - he wants to give them money....I think Maliki wants to take it away because of the 25% revenues that might be put on those cards and he doesn't want them to have it - he knows how easy it is to put the revenues on those cards - I believe he wants to make it hard on the people to go get their money
  - Maliki doesn't want to give anything to the people in my opinion
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GOOD AFTERNOON AMERICA!! ( OKIEOILMAN POST), 12 NOV



[..OKIEOILMAN] GOOD AFTERNOON AMERICA, SHIPS AT SEA AND ALL OUR WORLD WIDE FRIENDS. TODAY IS NOVEMBER 12 DESIGNATED AS VETERAN'S DAY. WE SELDOM CONSIDER THE FACT THAT EVERY DAY WE SHOULD THANK ALL THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY. ALL OF WHICH HAS GAVE SOME AND SOME WHO GAVE ALL. WHILE THOSE LIKE MYSELF ARE STILL AROUND TO REMEMBER THE FUTILITY OF WAR, SOME WAS NEVER PERMITTED TO SEE THE ACCOMPOLISHMENTS THAT THEIR SACRIFICE SERVED.

WE NEVER SEEM TO LEARN THAT WAR IN THE END NEVER REALLY SERVED MUCH OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD THE INITIAL CONSQUENCE WAS TO BE AND THE REASON THAT WAR WAS NECESSARY. IN THE WAR IN WHICH I SERVED WE WERE TOLD THAT OUR FIGHT WAS TO KEEP VIET NAM FROM THE COMMUNIST FROM TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY.

THE EVENTUAL RESULT---WAS WE WERE POLITICALLY KEPT FROM WINNING A WAR WITH OUR HAND'S TIED BEHIND OUR BACK'S ,THE ONLY WAR IN WHICH THE U.S.A. WAS LITTERALY RAN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. INSTEAD OF LETTING OUR MILITARY LEADERS ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND CONTROL THE BATTLE'S WE WERE HAM-STRUNG BY POLITICAL DECISION'S OUT OF WASHINGTON DICTATING WHAT, WHERE AND WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED TO CARRY OUT OUR MISSION'S WHICH IN TURN WOULD HAVE MADE THE VIET NAM FIASCO TURN OUT ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY THAN IT DID.
WHILE ALL OF THAT IS NOW HISTORY I WOULD HOPE IN THE FUTURE OUR POLITICAL LEADER'S WITH NO MILITARY BACK GROUND WOULD REALIZE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE DEGREE OF INFLUENCE OVER THE BATTLE FIELD'S AND LET OUR SOLDIERS THAT KNOW WHAT TO DO HAVE THE CARTE-BLANCHE AUTHORITY TO DO AS THE SITUATION DICTATES.

 I HOPE WE HAVE LEARNED THAT LESSON FROM HISTORY. THE TRUE HERO'S THAT NEED TO BE ESPECIALLY REMEMBERED TODAY NOW LAY QUITE REST IN ARLINGTON, FLANDERS FIELD AND COUNTLESS GRAVES IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN. THERE ARE AN OLD EXPRESSION THAT SAY'S FREEDOM IS NOT FREE,---HOW TRUE--IN REFLECTION AND WISDOM LEARNED FROM THE PAST I HAVE CAME TO THE REALIZATION THAT WE AS A COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD EITHER IN BLOOD OR IN DOLLAR'S TO BE THE WORLD'S POLICEMAN AND SOLVE ALL THEIR PROBLEM'S.    GOD BLESS US

[..OKIEOILMAN] I HAD INTENDED FOR A MUCH LONGER POST BUT THE CHARECTAR LIMITATIONS ON THIS SITE PROHIBIT'S ME FROM DOING SO.

 [Kini] United States Armed Forces Medley. IN HONOR OF ALL OF OUR VETS!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFGc5r9bJE&feature=related

[..OKIEOILMAN] HI BJ AND OTHER'S--I HAVE BEEN ENGULFED IN THE OIL PROBLEM'S THAT HAS COMPOUNDED IN THE PAST FEW WEEK'S AND HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO KEEP UP WITH THE INTEL. FROM WHAT I AM BEING TOLD WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO SEEING OUR DREAM'S FULFILLED---BUT---I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT BEFORE. I ONLY PRAY THIS TIME THE SCENARIO LAYED OUT BEFORE ME IS TRUE. I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU INTEL DEFINITIVELY BUT I DON'T THINK ANY ONE CAN SAY FOR CERTAINTY WHAT AND WHEN OUR R/V OR C/E WILL OCCUR, BUT FROM WHAT I AM BEING TOLD IT SEEM'S VERY CLOSE.

[..OKIEOILMAN] NO MORE THAN OKIE POST'S ANYMORE THIS SITE SHOULD BE RE-NAMED SIMPLY OKIE'S FRIENDS.

..OKIEOILMAN] TODAY HAS BEEN THE FIRST DAY IN WEEK'S THAT I HAVE HAD JUST A FEW MOMENT''S TO POST AND I FEEL VERY GUILITY FOR NOT DOING SO---BUT I DO THE BEST I CAN WITH THE TIME CONSTRAINT'S PLACED UPON ME AND PRAY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND I HAVE NOT ABANDONED YOU AND NEVER WILL---THERE ARE ONLY 24 HOUR'S IN A DAY AND SOME IF NOT MOST---I NEED 36 HOURS IN A DAY TO COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM'S THAT SEEM TO BE COMING MORE RAPIDLY THAN USUAL--EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND THAT "OH NO" BIRD HAS BEEN SITTING ON MY SHOULDER THEN TO COMPOUND THAT-- MATTER MURPHY'S LAW SEEM'S TO

. ~sednet1] I got your wing Sir.. Vector Please?

 [..OKIEOILMAN] SEDNET--CAN'T GIVE YOU A COURSE--I AM LOST IN THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE WITHOUT A SENSE OF DIRECTION

 [.~dinarmama7] OLIVE GARDEN, APPLEBEE'S, GOLDEN CORRAL, CHILLI'S, T.G.FRIDAY'S. HOOTER'S, TEXAS ROADHOUSE, SUBWAY, KRISPY CREAM DOUGHNUTS, AND DENNY'S ARE GIVING FREE MEALS TO ALL VETERAN'S ON VETERAN,S DAY,

 [..OKIEOILMAN] DINARMAMA---ALL THOSE FREE LUNCH'S DON'T DO ANY GOOD WHEN YOUR SO FAR OUT IN THE OIL PATCH THAT THE NEAREST DINER IS 80 MILES AWAY FROM STICKSVILLE, AMERICA--

[..OKIEOILMAN] SO LONG FOR NOW--I WILL TRY MY BEST TO BE ON MORE REGULARLY--TIME PERMITTING---GOD BLESS THE USA AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS SITE AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER SITES--ADIOS

DISCUSSION OF MED, 12 NOV



guardian: yes...good work, now just the 2nd and the vote
stlou: they are in a rush guardian..  vacation time coming..

guardian: hmmmm because they want the new rate available Jan 1st?
stlou: could be..

guardian: that's what i'm hoping for
stlou: now..this other article referring to 150 signatures in parliament for the mandate of the PM I find very interesting..

guardian: i wonder if they are trading in the 250s and 100s now, suppose to the first part of Nov what is that about stlou?
  stlou: let's try to break it down..

Alliance MP revealed Kurdistan Mahma Khalil, yesterday that 150 deputies signed so far on the draft law of the mandate of Prime Minister two terms, as he emphasized that the President of the Republic will apply the Constitution itself determine its mandate to two terms.

who is the president of the republic?  Talabono?

guardian: ok two terms works 4me

stlou: Khelil said in an interview with long-Presse that "the number of signatures on the draft law of the mandate of Prime Minister adopted by the Sadrist movement reached a hundred and fifty signatures," noting that "the signatories are deputies from different political blocs."  looks like it's bi-partisan..

guardian: one way or another they'll get rid of him

stlou: The Kurdistan Alliance MP that "the draft, which bear the signatures reached the legal committee in Parliament to complete formulations legal action, and then presented to the presidency of the parliament in preparation for inclusion on the agenda of the Council at its next".

my guess here is that because of the amount of signatures, it can now be brought up in parliament..

and placed on the agenda

And Khalil stressed that "the draft in line with the Constitution because of paragraph constitutional indicate the mandate of the President to two terms two and this should be applied to the mandate of Prime Minister," noting that "President Jalal Talabani will abide by the Iraqi constitution because patron Constitution and apply the Constitution itself determine the mandate for two two

a mandate for a two two

nice..

The Liberal bloc parliamentary internalized in the National Alliance announced in July last year with a number of independent deputies, after falling demand for withdrawal of confidence from the Prime Minister, announced a proposed law that would determine the mandate of Prime Minister two sessions and distributed to the masses in order to sign it.

so this is where it becomes interesting..  remember that the NA did not want to sign on to the no-confidence kick..  but..   this gives them a way to sign on to limiting maliki's terms

  stlou: Article (72) of the Constitution first define the mandate of the President of the Republic in four years, and may be re-elected for a second term only, not the Constitution provides explicitly determine the mandate of the Prime Minister, or the President of the House of Representatives

guardian: sweeet!  thing is...will the next one be even more corrupt? ^o)

stlou:  so from this last part, i can only interpret that the constitution limits talabani to 2 consecutive four year terms, but does not specifically dictate the total amount of time the PM can serve..  and I guess that is the loophole they want to close..

guardian: ahh

Med (10:26:19):  THAT IS VERY TRUE STLOU BUT THEY CANNOT CLOSE IT PARLIAMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY

stlou: to amend the constitution?

Med: NOPE

stlou: I read your article today Med..

Med: PARLIAMENT CANNOT SUBMIT DRAFT LAWS ON THEIR OWN ALL LAWS AND AMENDMENTS MUST GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS OR THE PRIME MINISTER  THEN PARLIAMENT DOES IT'S THING

stlou: which, in my opinion, would only leave them with one choice Med..

Med: WHICH IS FIRST

stlou: no confidence

Med:  SECOND AND THEN THEY SIT AND FOSSILIZE

stlou: correct

Med: OH THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT 5 MONTHS AGO BUT AS WE SAW TALIBANI SABOTAGED  IT

stlou: I remember the NA not wanting to sign on to the no confidence vote, but wanted to be a party in the nomination of the new PM..

Med: WITH HIS ALL OF A SUDDEN DECISION.....

stlou: right..remember that..

Med: THAT HE WILL TALK TO ALL WHO SIGNED THE NC AND HE GOT 3 TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS THEN IT WAS LIKE

stlou: but if this goes down in flames, it just may piss off enough of the NA to get them to cast a vote for NC

Med: THEY JUST GAVE UP

stlou: remember that too

Med: WITH ONLY 3 SHORT YOU JUST GIVE UP WHAT KIND OF MENTAL MIDGETS ARE THESE MEN THEY ARE LIKE A BUNCH OF SPINELESS EUNICHS

stlou: seems to me they need to read a little about washington during the revolutionary war.. he didn't give up

Med: HE  AS IN WHO

stlou: George Washington

Med: DUH I AM THINKING WASHINGTON DC

stlou: no med..they are something else

Med: YES THEY ARE

stlou: well..at least they had the first reading of the budget med

Med: YES AND THEY ONLY HAVE 14 MONTHS TO GET THE 2013 DONE LOL

guardian: then i tell myself...i only care about the RV...maliki or no maliki, shabibi or no shabibi LOL

Med: AFTER WATCHING SOME OF THE EVIDENCE UNFOLD OK I THINK MALIKI WAS LUCKY AS CRAP CUZ WHAT HE DID WAS JUST A GUESS -

THERE DEFINATELY IS A PROBLEM AND IT ISNT GOING TO BE THE CRAP I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY    OH THE MANIPULATION OF THE AUCTIONS THAT IS A MONETARY POLICY CALL  IT IS GOING TO BE THE RATION CARD ITEMS

stlou: and they are protesting maliki over that right now med

guardian: but the IMF wants the ration cards gone

Med: YES IT WILL BE VOLATILE  YES AND THIS IS GOOD FOR US GUARDIAN  BUT

guardian: they will get money on them instead

stlou: what, 30 bucks?

Med: THE ISSUE IS AND I DONT KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ABOUT 15 PLUS MONTHS AGO MOR LIKE 20

guardian: instead of the rotten wasted food they sometimes get

Med: THE ISSUE OF WHY WAS ONLY 90 MIL IN IMPORTS COMING IN WHEN THEY SPENT SUPPOSEDLY 120 MILLION THEY ASKED SHABIBI AND HE JUST BLEW IT OFF NOW THAT 120 MIL WAS FOR THE RATION CARDS THEY ARE THINKING IT WAS POCKETED OK ENOUGH FOR NOW TY MED OUT

(thank you's)

Med: YW

guardian: right no hiding that thanks med

Med: CUZ NOT SURE IT IS YW Guardian

guardian: hate to say it, but Shabibi looks bad among others haven't seen Saleh for awhile, wonder if he was arrested

Bam Bam: yes and for a long time I was thinking wow Shabibi was doing a great job

Med: NO HE WASNT GUARDIAN HE STILL IS AT CBI

guardian: haven't seen an article for awhile with him

Med: IN THE FEW COMMENTS SINCE THIS STARTED HE IS DISTANCING HIMSELF

38CABO: i know this doesnt look good for shabbs

Med: NO HE IS CONTINUING I HAVE EVIDENCE   I HAVE EVIDENCE

guardian: lol

Med: WELL THEN SUBMIT IT IF A PERSON DID LIKE YOU OR ME I KNOW WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING

38CABO: but i cant understand how the imf and world bank working side by side i think its all who its presented to

Med: IT ISNT IF YOU SAW MY CHAT ABOVE ABOUT THE MONETARY POLICY IT IS ABOUT THE RATION CARD ITEMS CBI BOUGHT WITH THE MONEY FROM THE AUCTIONS IT DOES NOT ADD UP NOW WHAT I AM NOT GOING TO BE SURPRISED AT IS THIS THEY WILL FIND CORRUPT OFFICIALS IN THE SADRISTS AND THE LIST BUT MALIKI WILL PROTECT ALL IN THE NA

38CABO: im not sure the people investigating the cbi are capable

Med: LOL YOU THINK

38CABO: and im sure there maybe a hint of politics involved

guardian: they can add 2+2 that's all they need lol

Med: THEY COULDNT FIND A MISSING CRAYON IN AN EMPTY ROOM

38CABO: they have been moving to have the cbi converted to hi tech internationally accepted computer programs

Med: BRB

4APROFIT POST, 12 NOV

11-12-12 4aprofit: In my opinion, and I could be wrong but I see them letting the Iraqi Dinar fall a little here lately off and on (actually I like it, and think it is a good sign) as per being a "controlled and contrived event." No different than the "artificially controlled rate" of the Iraq Dinar for the last appx. 3 years or so, after the dinar climbed upwards for the first 7 years or so (and this was while they were nowhere near as stabilized, while now, companies worldwide are moving in).

Think about it. If the dinar were to be going up, even a little at all at anytime, especially as we possbily near the end of this ride (if we actually are) it would be a sign that it would be a good investment possibly. At least to some and would be in line with, and match all the progress happening over there monetarily (and there has been investments for oil and infrastructure in the trillions of dollars at that). This IMO is the perfect smokescreen to deter speculators, and to smoke out the ones that are contemplating this as an investment and it even gets some to sell.

For Iraq, IMO the plan could'nt be working any better. As another point of view. With everything happening in Iraq, and nothing happening in the U.S. for the most part which currency would it seem most likely should be going up instead of down? But the opposite is occurring. So, go figure. In other words, the entire world is moving into Iraq, and it is going to continue using a worthless currency? Really? All while being pegged to a worthless dollar?. Or supposedly?

Then we have a worthless dollar, which gains ground against a currency that we are pegged to..intentionally? Also, if the U.S. thought that the dinar were to never have a better vaue (and might even possibly be dragging the dollar down) then why have we not unpegged from the worthless dinar? But instead, we keep sending people over there, even regarding issues in their monetary system. All I can say is there must be plans for a return on our investment over there, and an eventual rise to the Iraqi Dinar or all of these scenarios simply would'nt exist (as they simply just dont have to). Like I said, it is all a "controled and contrived event" IMO to keep a balance in the plan, until it is finalized. We will see.