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Thursday, October 18, 2012

TERRYK CHAT, 18 OCTOBER

[terryk] hello all you crazy dinar peeps  whoo  hoo phone hold on if you were watching tv

 [Agent 007] dee1031 hey i hear you have a ust source now - wow good for you - spill da beans girl

 [terryk] really 
[dee1031] yes 

[terryk] is her source a man or woman  because i know both women in the ust 
[dee1031] they were on an intel call tonight

 [terryk] and they are not talking to anyone it did not happen  i will tell u that because i was on a call with the main ust source tonight  and he would have been conducting the call  no i assure you she was not on this call

 [terryk] so i will ask you this  as i have the info but cant put it out  what did she tell u  because if i tell you and this is no crap it will stall  but you will be happy soon 

[terryk] i just had someone ask me if i agreed with another person that this is going to go down right before the election  what have i been saying for the past frickin year  who has been clinching this in his hand have i not said who (***) has control crap phone 

ANALYSIS OF MICHIGANDER, 18 OCTOBER


[michigander0131] Question marks and surprise posed by local and UN about the dismissal Shabibi Posted 17/10/2012 A parliamentary source important stressed that message arrived from the UN warns of dire consequences if what has government intervention direct and indirect in the affairs of the Central Bank, which is governed by its own law, which began in 2004 as reached similar letters from the U.S. embassy and institutions of transparency calls for non-interference by government action Bank Central and the need to respect its own law and sovereignty at the national cash reserves http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.alnaspaper.com/inp/view.asp%3FID%3D13486

[michigander0131] so today the UN ways in on Shabibi’s removal/alone with IMF and WORLD BANKS comments yesterday/we will see how far Maliki can go with this

 [michigander0131] Dilemma dinar Mazen owner Friday, 19 October, 2012 Finally Iraq began moving to resolve the dilemma of currency national, this dilemma has been for many years after 2003 bacillus for a solution and ended up dilemma renewed the government's reply was to seize on the central bank and subjected to mechanisms of action, 
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 [michigander0131] 17/10/12 16: 58: 00 Font size: Informed sources revealed the arrest warrants for all bank managers in Baghdad and the provinces, indicating that those notes were issued on the background of the orders the arrest of the Iraqi Central Bank Governor Sinan Al-Shabibi, thirteen Directors sections and divisions of the Bank.

[michigander0131] so now Maliki is going after all private banks also/

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[michigander0131] no doubt about it. Maliki is doing a clean sweep. Massive arrests. That is how dictatorship begin. Collect everyone who is not "conforming" and make them "disappear

 [michigander0131] 18/10/2012 08:23 BAGHDAD - almost government, Alarava, Bank Governor Sinan al-Shabibi Shabibi not least from his post, but was disqualified until the end of a judicial investigation. The legal advisor to the Prime Minister Fadel Mohammed Jawad's (Center Brief for IMN) that "the Council of Ministers did not say Bank Governor Sinan al-Shabibi, but decided to withdraw his hand from the office until the end of his interrogation on charges against him from the Integrity Commission about wasting public money and with 15 employees great in the Central Bank. "

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 [michigander0131] Well, there you have it. Shabibi has given the price of his return to the CBI, aquittal. Guess we can skip the trial where we'll find out that he sold the dollar to Iranians in exchange for dinar to prevent them from benefiting from the RV I doubt/wonder if we'll ever find out what the "irregularties" were that Maliki wanted investigated from the SIGRI report. --

[6:00:46 PM] JoAnn (Wizards13): [michigander0131] An official source in the Supreme Judicial Council to form a committee consisting of three judges and a member of the Public Prosecution to consider the issue of the Iraqi Central Bank President Shabibi. The source told the fourth power of the news on Thursday, that "the issue Shabibi shown in front of a judicial body belonging to the court integrity Rusafa consisting of three judges and a member of Public Prosecution, is to decide on the charges against him or not," without making up with more information. Finished / 18 /. http://translate.google. ••• a.net%2F   http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto|en&u=http%3A%2F%2F4thpa.net%2F
[6:03:08 PM] JoAnn (Wizards13): [THJ] michigander0131 We know that Shabibi is no crook.

[michigander0131] THJ yes and so does the rest of the world/its a political move by malliki

[sandinar] we should have stayed there longer until they rv’d this monopoly money

[michigander0131] so let’s hope these judges move quickly

[michigander0131] sandinar yes pulling out was the biggest blunder ever

[michigander0131] real slap in the U.S. military and citizens’ face

[michigander0131] and we all know who ordered it

[6:04:20 PM] JoAnn (Wizards13): [sandinar] michigander0131 who is to blame for withdrawal?

[THJ] michigander0131 Talabani et. al. are being pretty quiet about all this.

[michigander0131] sandinar 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[michigander0131] THJ well there is nothing they can do/not in there hands

 [THJ] michigander0131 Allawi has got to be saying I told ya so.

[sandinar] michigander0131 now we have no control over them

[michigander0131] sandinar we have very little

[michigander0131] if we did we would of stopped this non sence already

[THJ] sandinar Not true Ch. 7 is still in play.

[michigander0131] instead of going there and just slapping hands

 [michigander0131] THJ yes UN can step in and take back control /but will they?

[sandinar] michigander0131 why are we not hearing anything about erbil, hcl, and seating of the ministers now ?

[michigander0131] sandinar because it has all been put on hold/malliki has stopped everything

[THJ] michigander0131 Depends on whether they want the global economic situation straighten out any time soon.

[sandinar] michigander0131 good grief

[sandinar] michigander0131 need to hang that son of a gun

[THJ] Look for the no confidence vote talk again in earnest.

[michigander0131] of coarse you still have some gurus out there who will swear its all done /but show me where that is even possible

 [THJ] michigander0131 Oh they can go forward with it but they will be funding another dictator.

[michigander0131] yes that is true /IMO we will have to see what happens with cbi and then we may see some progress begin again

[THJ] We backed Saddam for years after Iran took our embassy.

 [michigander0131] yes we did we gave him the money to build his army that we went in and destroyed

[sandinar] michigander0131 I was under the impressi0on Talabani was going to do something

 [THJ] michigander0131 It will be interesting to hear what TK hears about this.

[michigander0131] THJ yes

[sandinar] I say #1 we buy no more dinar and let them think we are done with Iraq

[michigander0131] sandinar that’s a good idea

[michigander0131]    lol

[michigander0131] well everyone have a good night keep the faith

SHABIBI IS BACK IN POWER AGAIN, 18 OCTOBER


[bluwolf] HOW ARE WE ALL TONIGHT

 [bouv] bluwolf this has been a wonderful day today

 [bluwolf] YES I AM WELL AND GETTING BETTER

 [bluwolf] HELLO

 [bluwolf] shaverstein YOU HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING I JUST CAME IN

[bluwolf] WELL AS I EXPECTED,,SHABBIBI IS BACK IN POWER AGAIN,,AS SAID BEFORE THERE WILL BE SIGNS THAT WILL JUST STEER YOUR EYES IN CONFUSION,,A LOT OF MISINFORMATION WILL BE COMING OUT BUT YOU NEED NOT BE CONCERN..ALL IS STILL AS EXPECTED AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED

[bluwolf] NOW AS I HAVE SAID ALSO,,THERE WILL BE A GREAT SILENCE COMING OUT OF ALL BANKS AND ALL NATIONS SO DO NOT LET THIS TAKE BY SURPRISE FOR I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES THAT THIS WILL BE A SILENT ONE..

[shaverstein] So are there any repercussions for M's actions?

[bluwolf] THIS IS HAPPENING NOW AND IT WILL CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERNATIONAL RELEASE OF ALL CURRENCIES
[BLESSME] BlUWOLF will it be after election

[bluwolf] shaverstein THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH BUT IT HAS NO REFERENCE ON WHAT WE EXPECT

[bluwolf] BLESSME NO DATES REMEMBER

[bluwolf] SO PLEASE THOSE THAT COME ON SAYING THAT THEY HEARD THIS THRU THE GRAPE VINE AND THIS IS THE RATE AND THIS IS THE DATE,,PLEASE DEBUNK THEM FOR THIS IS SILENT PERIOD

[bluwolf] AS ALWAYS I SHALL HOLD MY GROUND. AND I WILL INFORM YOU WHENEVER WE GET THE LAST CALL..

[bluwolf] NOTHING HAS CHANGED WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION,,NORTH TO THE LIGHT AND TO THE BLESSING.   WE ARE CLOSE THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY. VERY VERY CLOSE

[bluwolf] PLEASE REMEMBER AND DECLARE THAT NOW IS THE TIME

[keiji] bluwolf do the US elections have any impact on this? TY

 [bluwolf] keiji NO ONLY ON YOU

[bluwolf] ANYTHING THAT WAS POLITICAL POSITIONING AND IN PROTOCOL HAS RAN OUT OF TIME,,WHAT EVER ACTIONS THEY TAKE FROM HERE ON EITHER SHALL BE THE WINNING TICKET OR THE DEMISE OF THE INCUMBANTS

[bluwolf] IT NO LONGER HOLDS ANY ASSOCIATION WITH THIS RV. PERIOD

 [bluwolf] NOT NO MORE.  PTB IMO NO LONGER HAS A HOLD ON ANYTHING.  SO THERE

 [bluwolf] HERE IS WHERE WE STAND FOLKS PERIOD

[bluwolf] NOW YOU ALL BE BLESSED

[3than] bluwolf so what was the point of them getting rid of shabibi and then just bringing him back in 4 days?

[bluwolf] 3than A SCAM

[ericasmom] pastored thank you..AMEN!!

[bluwolf] HOPE THAT MY LINES HAVE HELP A FEW FEEL MORE AT EASE

[bluwolf] AND IN ANOTHER THOUGHT ,, DO NOT AND I REPEAT DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR DINARS JUST BECAUSE SOME EVIL OR NEGATIVE NEWS TELLS YOU TO DO SO,YOU HAVE NOT BUT A CLUE ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING YOUR WAY,,YOU SHALL BE BLESS IN A BRIEF TIME,,AND ALL THINGS THAT NOW AFFECT YOU SHALL BE FIX BY OUR LORD..SO LET THINGS FLOW

 [3than] bluwolf what is your take on us putting troops back into iraq?

 [3than] bluwolf think it might have something to do to help handle a country trying to exange their dinar all at once?

[bluwolf] 3than IT JUST TELLS THE GOI THAT BIG BROTHER NOWS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO AND WE ARE WATCHING YOU AT THIS TIME.

[rickylee] bluwolf Who is big brother?

[bluwolf] rickylee USA

[shaverstein] Bluwolf when do you expect Shabs return to be announced publicly?

 [bluwolf] shaverstein IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADRESSED. TODAY

[bluwolf] WELL BE BLESS AND GOOD NIGHT

  [bluwolf] MODS THANK YOU

 [pianamama63] bluwolf thank u for coming n. god bless!!

 [bluwolf] DIOS LOS BENDIGA

pianamama63] LadyBlueKnight kenbo Vic1 said on recaps tonight that Shab hasn't went anywhere if you want to read it. He says the very same thing Bluwolf said tonight.

oldmanontheriver] Foot Forward says this whole Shabibi thing is just smoke and he is going nowhere

WE WILL STILL FLY OUR 747,18 OCTOBER


BULLDOG 75

[Bulldog75] 4:15pm CST: Iraq signs contract for 18 F-16 fighter jets: BAGHDAD | Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:10pm EDT BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq has signed a new contract to buy its second set of 18 F-16 fighters from the United States, part of a deal to purchase 36 of the jets to rebuild its air force, Iraq's acting defense minister said on Thursday. Baghdad signed an initial deal for the first set of 18 jets in September last year valued at roughly $3 billion and those aircraft are scheduled to be delivered by September 2014 with the second batch due four years later.

Bulldog75] "We signed the contract ... The (new) contract is no different from the first contract in terms of the technical and financial details," acting Defense Minister Sadoun al-Dulaimi said after a meeting U.S. officials in Baghdad. "This handover will be finished in 2018." Duliami said Iraq was also talking with U.S. officials about buying air defense systems and Apache helicopters. A U.S. embassy spokesman in Baghdad said the U.S. government had presented Iraq with a letter of acceptance for the second set of fighters and were awaiting confirmation of agreement. 
[Bulldog75] "The United States would welcome Iraqi acceptance as another important step in our growing bilateral security assistance relationship," the spokesman said. Iraq has had no real air force since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein. Washington has signed around $12 billion in recent arms deals with the Iraqi government to build up its armed forces.

Bulldog75] Baghdad, which has also signed military contracts with Russia and the Czech Republic this month, says it will not be able to defend its airspace until 2020. The new U.S. deal and the purchase Czech jets come as Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki faces pressure from Washington to prevent Iran transporting arms through Iraqi airspace to help Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

[Bulldog75] http://www.reuters.com/

[Bulldog75] WE WILL STILL FLY OUR 747 ))

[.gypsymama] Bulldog75 So, where is Iraq getting all this money to buy fighter jets?

[Bulldog75] .gypsymama : ANSWER: OIL CONTRACTS AND PENDING REVALUATION CURRENCY 

BGG,DOC,UNCIRCULD, PHOENIX & SWFG POST, 18 OCTOBER


10-18-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   I recounted this because it appears everyone has forgotten this chain of events?? 
1) The CBI (Shabibi) put out an article – they were basically ready to address the currency value – they were just waiting on the government...
2) Jubouri came out asking (“calling for”) Shabibi to allow the value of the Dinar to be a “free-float”, market value…
3) Maliki went to Russia and Czech Republic signing weapons contracts (purely unconstitutional) ...
4) Maliki sent troops, artillery and tanks to surround the disputed city of Kirkuk...
5) Maliki’s gang on the CoM (Council of Ministers) issued an arrest warrant for Dr Shabibi...
6) The Chief Justice on the SJC vacated the arrest warrant for Dr Shabibi and assured discipline for the issuing judge...
7) The Parliament had 5-6 laws lined up to vote on that would essentially “sew Maliki up” and once he saw no way out – he organized an SLC boycott and walkout to avoid the coming accountability (this was on Monday)... Maliki unilaterally removed Dr Shabibi and put an “interim”... 
How anyone can look at Maliki overtaking the CBI and their reserves as a good thing absolutely boggles my mind. HE’LL BUY WEAPONS WITH THE MONEY SHABIBI WOULD HAVE USED TO ENSURE YOUR BLOOMING RV!!!!    I fully expect this latest move to come under great scrutiny over the next few days – it is almost sure to undergo Judicial Revue…not to mention a probable international (as in UN) intervention


10-18-12 Doc: We waited a few days to confirm information about Shabibi. It appears from all sources and news outlets that he indeed has been replaced. Several sites are trying to spin this positively but only time will flush it out. In the mean time we speculate on three possible scenarios. First is Shabibi is in fact guilty of what he has been accused. A second scenario is that the GOI wants rapid currency appreciation and Shabibi wanted currency reform in more of just a RD with gradual appreciation. The third scenario is as we have pointed out previously is that Maliki is attempting to stall currency reform. There is a fourth scenario which goes like this. Shabibi is presented as a crook to the public. There are still many unanswered questions with these actions against Shibibi. As with all of this it will take some time for the truth to surface. Sit tight until then. We report, you decide.

10-18-12 Uncirculd:
This National Meeting next month is a truce. That's good, because also that means Maliki will announce his GOI. So, we should get ministers out of it and we just might be at the door of this busting wide open. And there are articles talking about cutting parliament to a week on this holiday because they have some vital laws to pass (the strategic policy/ federal or supreme council, what ever they are calling it). They have already agreed on almost all of HCL, with 2 exceptions of 2 articles. That sounds like power sharing and security, and HCL (workable HCL). 


10-18-12 Phoenix3333: Iraq National Meeting to be held next month (and there are elements of the crisis is over). "The existence of the elements of the breakthrough is part of the crisis is the efforts of the President of the Republic and paper reforms, noting that the national meeting to be held next month. Shara said there are many elements indicate the existence of a breakthrough to the current crisis, but this optimism is not severe because some attitudes are an obstacle to the resolution of all disputes.
He explained that efforts by President Jalal Talabani and his conversations with the leaders of political blocs in addition to put paper reforms and contained points are to receive the proposals of the political blocs and the delegation that will come to Baghdad from Kurdistan and the demands of political blocs that could be implemented by reference to the Constitution and all of these indicators out of the current crisis by sitting briefly the political blocs on one table and put their differences."


10-18-12 SWFloridaGuy: I think economic committee member Abdulhussain Abtan said it better than anyone this morning. He said, "The global economic crisis will stimulate investment in Iraq and has forced the major powers of the world to enter into Iraq for the purpose of investment opportunities which promotes all economic fields."
Bloomberg and Reuters have also had similar encouraging articles of late, speaking of investment in infrastructure development and record oil production numbers. We also have investment into Iraq's financial sector. USAID invested $31.6 million to improve Iraq's financial sector and help Iraq develop a comprehensive financial sector infrastructure that will ensure long-term growth, enhance the advocacy capacity of the private financial sector and help raise the financial sector’s capacity to international standards with a special focus on private banks. After decades of war Iraq has been in need of and received aid to establish a credit bureau, a financial sector training institute, a payments system and a modern centralized data repository system.
Getting back to this morning's article, Abtan went on to say that, "Iraq is one of the countries with large investment opportunities in all economic fields and will be a gateway to revive the world’s economies by attracting their companies to invest in the country, adding that foreign investors (Europeans and Americans) are currently looking for investment opportunities in all countries of the world as an exceptional case because of the economic crisis, and Iraq would be a better country for them." This, of course, does not reference a RV, RI, RD, float, change in peg, hybrid solution etc., but rather signifies a more general positive economic outlook for the country of Iraq. This speaks to the basis of the IQD investment in my opinion. It's long term (approaching a decade) but clearly a strong bet, which I think we can all agree is an accurate assertion.

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 18 OCTOBER


10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17    WITH THE THREAT OF POSSIBLE REMOVAL OF MALIKI DUE TO CORRUPTION AND VIOLATION OF CHAP. 7,  HE MUST DO WHAT?  GET WHO OUT OF THE WAY...THE ONE MAN IN HIS WAY...[SHABIBI].  THIS LAST POWER PLAY BY MALIKI JUST MIGHT GIVE THE UN A FINAL REASON TO STEP IN AND REMOVE HIM ON [CHAPTER] 7 VIOLATIONS...AND THEN LET THE COURTS SETTLE THE CORRUPTION.   [Post 2 of 3....stay tuned]

10-18-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG    How anyone can look at Maliki overtaking the CBI and their reserves as a good thing absolutely boggles my mind. HE’LL BUY WEAPONS WITH THE MONEY SHABIBI WOULD HAVE USED TO ENSURE YOUR BLOOMING RV!!!!    I fully expect this latest move to come under great scrutiny over the next few days – it is almost sure to undergo Judicial Revue…not to mention a probable international (as in UN) intervention. [post 3 of 3]   

10-18-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   6) The Chief Justice on the SJC vacated the arrest warrant for Dr Shabibi and assured discipline for the issuing judge...7) The Parliament had 5-6 laws lined up to vote on that would essentially “sew Maliki up” and once he saw no way out – he organized an SLC boycott and walkout to avoid the coming accountability (this was on Monday)...9) Maliki unilaterally removed Dr Shabibi and put an “interim”...  [post 2 of 3....stay tuned]

10-18-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   I recounted this because it appears everyone has forgotten this chain of events??  1) The CBI (Shabibi) put out an article – they were basically ready to address the currency value – they were just waiting on the government...2) Jubouri came out asking (“calling for”) Shabibi to allow the value of the Dinar to be a “free-float”, market value…3) Maliki went to Russia and Czech Republic signing weapons contracts (purely unconstitutional) ...4) Maliki sent troops, artillery and tanks to surround the disputed city of Kirkuk...5) Maliki’s gang on the CoM (Council of Ministers) issued an arrest warrant for Dr Shabibi...  [post 1 of 3....stay tuned]

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru SWFloridaGuy   I think economic committee member Abdulhussain Abtan said it better than anyone this morning. He said, "The global economic crisis will stimulate investment in Iraq and has forced the major powers of the world to enter into Iraq for the purpose of investment opportunities which promotes all economic fields."  Abtan went on to say that, "Iraq is one of the countries with large investment opportunities in all economic fields and will be a gateway to revive the world’s economies..."  This, of course, does not reference a RV, RI, RD, float, change in peg, hybrid solution etc., but rather signifies a more general positive economic outlook for the country of Iraq. This speaks to the basis of the IQD investment in my opinion. It's long term (approaching a decade) but clearly a strong bet, which I think we can all agree is an accurate assertion

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Doc    We waited a few days to confirm information about Shabibi.  It appears from all sources and news outlets that he indeed has been replaced.  Several sites are trying to spin this positively but only time will flush it out.  In the mean time we speculate on three possible scenarios.  First is Shabibi is in fact guilty of what he has been accused...A secondscenario is that the GOI wants rapid currency appreciation and Shabibi wanted currency reform in more of just a RD with gradual appreciation...The third scenario is as we have pointed out previously is that Maliki is attempting to stall currency reform.  There is a fourth scenario which goes like this.  Shabibi is presented as a crook to the public...  There are still many unanswered questions with these actions against Shibibi. As with all of this it will take some time for the truth to surface. Sit tight until then.  We report, you decide.  [complete explanation of all of Doc's scenarios was emailed to Dinar Guru members...not a Dinar Guru member? sign up in blue box above to get things like this sent right to you.]  

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman  WHO IN IRAQ WANTS THIS RV MORE THAN WE DO?   NOT SHABS...[MALIKI]  BECAUSE HE STANDS TO GAIN 100S OF BILLIONS POST RV,  DEPENDING HOW MUCH HE AND HIS CRONIES HAVE STOLEN.  TIME AND TIME OVER...MALIKI HAS TRIED TO TAKE OVER THE CBI .  THE MAIN REASON FOR SHABS HOLDUP ON THE RV IS PERSONAL...AS LONG AS HE CAN MAINTAIN INFLATION, HE CAN ALSO KEEP MALIKI FROM USING IT.   [Post 1 of 3....stay tuned]

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana    [Do you think a float may be what CBI has planned, or do you think it will be a RV?]   This one has been the center of MUCH debate over the years, and in my opinion it's a draw. Either one allows for significant growth, and both have their +s and -s. 

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Med   I AM NOT SURE THAT I AM TOO HOT ON SHABIBI COMING BACK AND MOST OF THOSE I TALKED TO FELT THE SAME WAY.  SHABIBI HAS BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS AND...MALIKI HAS COME TO SHABIBI AND ASKED HIM TWICE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE DINAR.  BOTH TIMES HE DID NOT BUT IF YOU DO GO BACK AN READ THE ARTICLES, THIS IS THE PROBLEM.  HOW COME AFTER ALL THESE YEARS THE DINAR IS NOT WORTH MORE.  ALSO, ANOTHER THING, THE PAR VALUE PAR DOES NOT MEAN 1 TO 1,  PAR MEANS THAT IT IS ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE ZERO.   RIGHT NOW IT, IN ALL REALITY, HAS A NEGATIVE VALUE.  [post 2 of 2]

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Med     IT IS IN EVERY ARTICLE...HOW COME THE DINAR IS NOT WORTH MORE?  THEY DONT WANT IT HELD BACK. THE ISSUE THAT IS PUTTING SHABIBI OUT TO DRY RIGHT NOW IS THEY ARE UPSET THAT THE DINAR EXCHANGE RATE IS NOT MORE AND CLOSER TO PAR WITH THE USD.  WELL HE WONT BE SINCE IT HAS BEEN FOUND OUT THAT MOST OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS ILLEGAL AND AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.  THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO SUSPEND SHABIBI.  ONLY PARLIAMENT DOES AND ONLY PARLIAMENT CAN FIRE HIM AND ONLY PARLIAMENT CAN PICK A NEW ONE. [post 1 of 2....stay tuned]

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana    there are still news reports that show Iraq is not yet as perfect as the US, but quite honestly - I think they are very stable and are getting more stable all the time. Now, the current situation with Shabibi is going to be a rocky one for a week or three, but there's simply no way to expect an RV to happen without a few heads rolling!   What we need to focus on is one question: "Is Iraq heading the right way?" I can answer that with a YES, and that's all I need to make me happy with my decision to invest in the Dinar.

10-18-2012  Intel Guru Bluwolf    HE [SHABIBI] HAS NOT BEEN ARRESTED FOR HE IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, THOU HE HAS A WARRENT FOR THE FACTS ESTABLISHED...THE FINGER IN THE NEWS POINTS TO ANOTHER AND IT IS THE PM.  THE U.S. MUST STRAITEN THE TWISTED TREE IN IRAQS GOVERNMENT, IF NOT DEMOCRACY CANNOT BE.  [do we think it will be days or weeks or months?]  AT ANY MOMENT, ALL IS SILENT,  ALL IS DONE PERIOD.  NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

10-18-2012  Newshound Guru Enorrste  However, it is my opinion that this will not be allowed to go through without a “conference” between Maliki and the UN/US.  I suggest we wait this out. Remember, Maliki tried this once before and it fell on deaf ears. At that time he was apparently intimidated and failed to act. The fact that this time he is acting does not make it any more legal. In fact, I suspect that a hailstorm of protest will occur and that we will see his “decision” reversed in short order.
 

The new central bank governor for "obelisk": auction currency remains and the exchange rate of the dinar red line,18 OCTOBER

The new central bank governor for "obelisk": auction currency remains and the exchange rate of the dinar red line



Published on Thursday, October 18 1 / Okrudolf 2012 14:03 | Written by: ali - fa-en-br | | | Views: 560


BAGHDAD / obelisk: central bank governor said agency Abdel Basset Turki, Thursday, that the bank is committed to its policy of maintaining the value of the Iraqi dinar against the dollar, stressing that the work of the Bank and currency auction will not be stopped and that the Iraqi dinar exchange rate "red line" must all joints state to respect and ensure the count intact.

He said Turkish for "obelisk", "The CBI is committed to maintaining its policy of maintaining the Iraqi dinar exchange rate paid U.S. dollar," noting that "Iraqi dinar exchange rate is a red line must all aspects of the state to work on respect and ensure remain intact" .

Turki said that "the work of the bank and currency auction will not be stopped, but all you got is to follow the money sold to ensure the prevention of smuggling or sabotage the national economy through treasury emptied of hard currency."

The Council of Ministers decided, on 16 October 2012, dismissing Iraqi Central Bank Governor Sinan al-Shabibi and the prime BSA Abdul Basit Turki instead of him acting, while stressing media adviser to Prime Minister Ali al-Moussawi said the decision is valid until further notice.

A source supervisory early for an obelisk in the 13 November 2012 for the issuance of an arrest warrant against al-Shabibi, as he emphasized Haitham Jubouri, a member of the Finance Committee parliamentary achieved suspicions of corruption in the works of the Iraqi Central Bank and the auction, the issuance of the note right Shabibi and about 19 employees, including a number of his aides and advisers .

http://almasalah.net/index.php/policy-2/1639-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D9%83-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%B2%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D9%84%D9%80-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A9-%D9%85%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%82-%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B9%D8%B1-%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AE%D8%B7-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%B1.html

ANALYSIS OF BONDLADY, 18 OCTOBER


oculaw1957] So did Maliki take over the CBI to keep Shabs from doing a LOP?

[BondLady] from what i understood from several actual people and from the last year of articles  there  a good chance of something similar to redenominate as shabs wanted to do to bring out the coins as well would have imo required at least a small value pennys probably

[BondLady] as i've said now probably a 1000 times they are so corrupt and so greedy and so power starved sad as that is that would work for our benefit  as well as theirs  for the most part

[BondLady] 3/4 of those people believed when the ld's come out with the coins that it would be the rate it was before the 000 came out thats what they thought and believed

[BondLady] they thought it would just go back to what it was and have the full value when imo they realized that wasn't what shabibi had in mind

[BondLady] greed took its place in their thinking they didn't want that at all and i can see that too and why they wouldn't for what ever reason shabs plan was they didn't want that  only a few agreed with it the rest fought it for at least a year
  [BondLady] the whole time the majority of them thinking it would be ri'd  then it all hit the fan and you saw what took place maybe its good for us  from what i heard yesterday the new cbi gov is pro rv and shabs according to the info was pro rd  thats not what them or us wanted and let it crawl in value

[BondLady] so greed from this point a view would work for our favor if that makes sense and all imo  i do remember back in 2010 when this turki guy shabs replacement  wanted and was shooting for a rv was arguing with shabibi all the time about a rv wanting an rv and so was maliki

[BondLady] another thing working in our favor i'll speak of that in a second but for some reason turki and maliki had a falling out in 2010 and maliki fired him

[BondLady] that was the end of that for a while then i believe he was brought back in at some point a few months later but he did at that time buck up against shabs and did want the rv to happen then so now with maliki who from many people telling me does indeed want a rv or ri and he as well as the majority of them all, do not want a rd and refused to vote for it or give shabibi the go ahead to do it

[BondLady] we've seen it going on for a year we all wondered why they didn't just pass the law for shabs and if we look at it like i just said then we can see the reaason why or at least i can that makes sense now imo he is very pro rv and with his other accomplishments during this term of prime minister the arab summit that was a huge thing for iraq to pull off

[BondLady] many other things and then if they pass this infrastructure law which will give over a millon jobs and promote life for the poor people in a huge way and then if he can work out an rv during this term too well yeah go for it and which imo and i'm sure he's thought it too

[BondLady] most of the citizens according to the polls out think hes doing a good job in spite of the challenges 77% believe that and would vote for him again

[BondLady] so if he was to aid in bringing them on a real rv or ri which i doubt a ri, but its still a possibility then it would almost insure he got another term greed of money and power drive them never forget that when your trying to figure this stuff out thats what motivates everything they do

[BondLady] also let me say another thing that was running through my head late into the night last night remember a couple months back i posted a cia article was when the arrest warrants came down per hashemi and the cia article said cia has a lot of stuff on everyone of them  ALL OF  THEM

[grashopa] videos and tape recordings

[BondLady] they have it all and at any time they chose to, according to this art when things in the goi start to get lop sided then the cia will release little tid bits of info and provide proof to them whatever it is whether it was hashemi and his hit squads to corruption and bribes

[BondLady] so when things over there get lop sided and they need to level the playing field they release info to the ones needing help the most so what if what if they did the same thing on shabibi whether it's true or not whether it was him or not he is the cbi gov

[carpentersr] maybe that is why everyone there is holed up at the moment... the buck stops there whether it was someone who worked at the cbi doesn't matter he is in charge whether he did it or not the buck stops there

[BondLady] what i showed about the float my intent was it had always been a float that was the point the gurus and speculators made it into something else

[drc1947] took me off guard for sure, if true, but like you say BL corruption is the norm in Iraq

[BondLady] but since 2003 they had been floating thats what i was trying to prove and believe i did

[drc1947] BondLady and it was there to be seen by all

[BondLady] whether they kept it that way or not as they had done for 9 yearsremained to be seen it  has to come off the programmed rate for us to know what road it'll go down but it was the road for 9 years

[BondLady] they never changed it, gurus changed the logistics of it not the cbi now from what we've seen going on now in the last 3 days is that appeared to be what it was mand what the cbi intent was now this possibly changes it all for us what happened with the cbi and shabibi

[BondLady] now this could make a u-turn and go to a bigger highway of thinking now a few days we should know more or have more clues gotta let it play out though hope that helps, thank you

SHABIBI RETURNED TO IRAQ AND PLANS TO PUSH THE BUTTON AT 5 AM ON 10/19/2012, 18 OCTOBER



[clubber3] A post under dinar Detectives this morning by the get team. Somebody reported that the Dong showed at .81 then Jumped to .91 and 1.19 before falling to regular rate last night

 [heartfelt] clubber3 that is strange as if 1.19 might be a code because the iqd was reported of having a 1.18-1.19 on the screen too.

[heartfelt] hmmm

shasta7: always... liked watching Red (Red Skelton)  .......... just think this was back in 1969!!http://thepeoplesguidetotheusconstitution.com/535/pledge-of-allegiance-explained/

Asells: shasta7 wow !!! i've never HEARD this .... WONDERFUL !!! AMEN !!! and Awesome !! Thanks for SHARING !! woot yay !

[olesailor]  from the Revolutionary War there came a slogan, "From Time to time the Tree of Liberty must be watered by the Blood of Patriots."

[whitelions] Has any body seen this Obama senior aide visits Iraq – White House 10/18/2012 3:23 PM  http://en.aswataliraq.info/%28S%28tw2mxp45xhy33q45kal5ul3i%29%29/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=151048&l=1

Captaincaveman: Gold Standard Returns On January 1, 2013: Banks Have Already Adopted New Rules   http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2012/10/gold-standard-returns-on-january-1-2013-banks-have-already-adopted-new-rules-2453130.html

 [BigB] whitelions The PTB remind me of a spoiled little boy with an ant farm. Watch the ants build their cities and then flip it upside down and watch the chaos before they rebuild. ...They are just bored, they have everything anyone could ever want.
[socalcutie] BigB here is what i am amazed at. the 99%ers calmly protest yet all over europe they are agressively protesting and we are in just as bad of shape as they are, but citizens here listen to the crap put out by our officials and think all is ok. do they live in LA LA land and that is not Los Angeles.

[captaincaveman] PTB ?http://www.marketwatch.com/story/power-30-financial-forces-2012-10-18?siteid=rss&rss=1

BigB] Stitch 2012jesus Did you catch this one ? "Exxon seeks to quit Iraq's West Qurna oilfield project" http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exxon-seeks-quit-iraqs-west-140941377.html

BigB] Stitch Here is another indicator. We had 3.6 last week, now it has grown! "5 MILLION OUNCES of REGISTERED Silver Withdrawn From Brink’s Since Friday!" ...   http://www.silverdoctors.com/5-million-ounces-of-registered-silver-withdrawn-from-brinks-since-friday/

[geterdone] Is there anyone in here that cares to discuss what I have missed about the pinging/attacks on banks? I am in the middle of trying to fix/show/sell my home and have missed a bunch.

[janana] geterdone seems that banks keep getting cyber attacked...a credit union might be a safer way to go post rv

[sunny] janana geterdone The pinging ties things up but doesn't seem to be more harmful than a slow down. Am I being simplistic here?

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[redhead1] Hot Intel - Shabbi has returned to Iraq and plans to push the button at 5:00 am on 10/19/2012 - with a rate of $12.00 IQD - where did I get my information - from my guru the German Shepherd who communicates in code - he barked 12 times for the rate and drank his water for the date 


[prissynell] redhead1 I like the date by the german Sheppard

[redhead1] Prissynell - so far he is as right as anyone else - he asked me to set up a website and would give intel for Milkbones

 [Coffeeone] Stated "next window" October 21st, I know, I know - Terryk. Cannot resist, Sorry 

 [redhead1] That Terry K loves giving dates - one day he is going to be right - 

 [prissynell] Wouldnt we all like to know about when the real RV date would be just approx within a week

 [redhead1] Does anyone else find it strange that Wells Fargo has personal wealth managers set up who claim they have no information on the dinar RV - is there that much wealth to manage without us?

 [BigB] 2012jesus Any thoughts on Bluwolf's post last night? I had to read that one several times as I couldn't believe what I was reading.

 [2012jesus] BigB did not read it ,,is it on recaps

[2mater] The 'being quiet' thing sure doesn't seem to make any difference - I remember CAP coming up with that 'sock in his mouth' comment in May - now it's mid-October

[tatortot] BigB Which part could you not believe?

BigB] tatortot I am probably wrong but it sounds like he is saying that it was actually reversed.

[tatortot] BigB I will have to read it again but I did not get that. I get confused alot. Thanks for answering my question.

[BigB] tatortot "bluwolf] Waiting no smoke it was news,but see you had to look into the same,so happens he that is being spotted is maliki and not shabbi"

BigB] tatortot He is saying it was Maliki not Shabibi. We are at the mercy of the news.

[[2012jesus] BigB thats would be funny 

 [tatortot] BigB Yes we are. Thanks for interpreting I see that now.

[Ribeye] BigB if i knew his connections i would have 'thoughts'. Lol

[BigB] tatortot 2012jesus Here is another interesting quote from Bluwolf last night "Ribeye] bluwolf i have long felt that the currency wars have been the WWIII of the 21st century without guns. am i correct and are the 'good guys' winning iyo ? [bluwolf] Ribeye THE GOOD GUYS HAVE ALREADY WON"

[olordplease] BigB my fear is who decides who the good guys r

[candy] olordplease that would be my questions as well.

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[feda] please believe .... and this is jmo ... the gov will never let us get all this $$$$ and not get a taste .....you know ...just like the gangster movies... got to send the suitcase back home....

[candy] feda i thnk the real question will be how the IRS treats this. If it is a currency exchange, then there is an IRS ruling in place.

BigB] candy we may not have to worry about that - if this goes to the end of the year, the IRS may go bye bye with the FED.

[candy] BigB i agree, but i am sure the govenment will come up with some way to get their "unfair share"

eda] there is no way we will get off tax free... only current rich folks know how to get around all the new regs in place

[BigB] candy Did you read yesterday about the US Treasury putting a $16,000,000,000,000 lien on the FED?

[candy] BigB i did not, do youhave a link! sounds interesting.

 [moonchild] BigB who said that?

 [BigB] candy Maryrose Hey, the good news is that because the RV has not happened yet, many have held their Dinar over a year and if we have to pay capital gains, we now will be in the long term rate.

[BigB] candy I'll see if I can find it.

[candy] BigB thanks! i would love to read it.

[Coffeeone] feda We can Learn from the current rich folks, they say nothing is really hidden now; at the second debate Mr. Romney talked about a Blind Trust hmmmmmmm.  

[candy] Coffeeone a blind trust is required for all in polical office, so they can't do any insider trading.

[prissynell] BigB I heard there was going to be one rate for ever one on taxes like 15% due to not knowing when dinars was purchased on a bunch of people

[prissynell] Mitt Romney also talked about he wants to do away with the Frank Dodd Insurance 

[Coffeeone] candy There is much more to it than that, don't stop investigating. :cheerleader: :cheerleader: As they say, you don't know, what you don't know. 

[BigB] candy moonchild I do not have a link - it was a statement that I read from an excellent source (so don't take it as gospel). And the amount is off. ... UCC1 filings or commercial banking.. the agricultural lien filed by the Department of Treasury against the Fed is for $14,300,000,000,000. Thats all

 [candy] prissynell the tax laws are due to change Jan2013. Lets hope we are done by then

[Coffeeone] prissynell Yes, there is good or bad concerning Frank-Dodd, you wanna pay 1% on your banking activity?

[prissynell] Yes, I know they are making all capital gaines- long term rate

prissynell] I want it backed by Treasury not the FDIC alone 

[WCW] well i see more smoke before the fire. we wait till afer rv and then we will know for sure about the taxes. i have a busy day and want be back till after 6 pm cdt yall have a blessed day 

[prissynell] I asked the private banker if the Feds went down would a FD acct be ok since backed by treasury and he said yes

BigB] prissynell If this does not happen till next year and capital gains taxes apply, the gove is going to get a lot more. "O" care has upped the rate substantially. 2012 15% 15% 35% 2013+ (current law) 23.8% 43.4% 43.4%   http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamacare-taxes-coming-a7217#ixzz29aSlxN7

[prissynell] Coffeeone that 1% is on any acct after 2012

[prissynell] 2013

[Coffeeone] Is it in Frank-Dodd, that you have to have 10 million dollars to be an "investor"? Just saying everything is not black and white. Who presented Frank-Dodd as something wonderful to us anyway, uh our Gurus. : 

[feda]  Please Remember ....... Get Professional Advice

[prissynell] I have a Frank Dodd with 1500 balance, it charges no fees

candy] prissynell if i understand the law as it reads now, a currency exchange is taxable on anything over $200. However, people in lower tax bracket MAY not have to pay

 [Coffeeone] feda Yes, since we really don't know, yet my experience has been the so-call Professionals suck. We are really going to have to listen to God. : 

[BigB] Coffeeone It is not great or wonderful - The subject was only brought up as a means to protect your investment.

[andisgram1] candy does that tax bracket include the $ from the exchange?

[candy] andisgram1 there are several places you can look in the IRS codes. One specifically states anything over $200, but there is another spot that states if you are in a 10 or 15% bracket, there may be no tax due. I am NOT a CPA, so please be sure to get professional help.

[2012jesus] been here ove r9 years i do not care what the tax is ,,i just want it done ,,tired of the ride ,,

[BigB] 2012jesus I could not have said it better myself.

 [prissynell] We all know the FedR is going down so you better protect your money some how

[prissynell] I have a sister in law that is one of the top private investment bankers in Houston

[marmeysue] prissynell SO what does she have to say about the dinar and the rv?

[prissynell] She is the one that told me to go with FDIC and Frank Dodd insurance accts

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[BigB] 2012jesus puppylove I think we should hire someone to go to Iraq and really find out what is happening there. I find it so hard to believe that we an never get a real answer from anyone. I just don't get it! Am I alone in this thinkin?

trailblazer1] BigB I dont get it either. We are in information age where stuff should come out quickly and correctly.

 [Austin-Powers-For-PM] da58 Yep, all's quiet on the Dinar Front. After the crazy events of the past two days, it's time for peace and quiet as we wait for the next shoe to drop. I wonder what that will be? Shabibi magically reappears at the CBI? Maliki flees to his retirement chalet in Switzerland? Hammerman takes Okie's place as the official announcer of the RV? Lol

ANALYSIS OF MED, PART 1, 18 OCTOBER



Med (21:05:51): HELLO DS    LISTEN UP DS    IF YOUR HERE    I WOULD PAY ATTENTION    I HAVE SPENT THE LAST 36 HRS    GOING OVER THIS MESS    AND SPENT HRS ON THE PHONE    DISCUSSING IT WITH PEOPLE I RESPECT    AND HAVE BEEN IN THIS AS LONG AS ME

    ONE THING WE DISCUSSED    AND IT WAS RIGHT THERE    HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT    AS THEY SAY    WHAT....WHAT IS THE ***** ????.... BY THE PLAINTIFFS???    IT IS IN EVERY ARTICLE

    HOW COME THE DINAR IS NOT WORTH MORE?????   THEY DONT WANT IT HELD BACK    THEY ARE PISSED THAT IT IS NOT WORTH MORE    AND THIS IS WHY SHABIBI IS IN TROUBLE    WELL HE WONT BE    SINCE IT HAS BEEN FOUND OUT THAT MOST OF WHAT HAPPENED    WAS ILLEGAL AND AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION

    THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO SUSPEND SHABIBI    ONLY PARLIAMENT DOES    AND ONLY PARLIAMENT CAN FIRE HIM    AND ONLY PARLIAMENT CAN PICK A NEW ONE
     NOW TO BE HONEST I AM NOT SURE THAT I AM TOO HOT ON SHABIBI COMING BACK    AND MOST OF THOSE I TALKED TO    FELT THE SAME WAY    SHABIBI HAS BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS    AND MANY TIMES MALIKI HAS COME TO SHABIBI AND ASKED HIM TWICE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE DINAR

    ONCE IN O7    AND THEN.....SHOOT I FORGOT THE OTHER

    mythbuster: and in 09

    Med:    IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN YES    09    BOTH TIMES HE DID NOT    BUT IF YOU DO GO BACK AN READ THE ARTICLES    THIS IS THE PROBLEM    HOW COME AFTER ALL THESE YEARS    THE DINAR IS NOT WORTH MORE    ALSO    ANOTHER THING THE PAR VALUE    PAR DOES NOT MEAN 1 TO 1    PAR MEANS THAT IT IS ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE ZERO    RIGHT NOW IT IN ALL REALITY    HAS A NEGATIVE VALUE

    WHEN I WAS TALKING    TO MY BUDS    I SAID SELL ME    SELL ME ON YOUR THEORY    OR ASSUMPTION OF WHY THEY WANTED SHABIBI OUT

    mailman17: LOOKS LIKE THINGS ARE SEEMING A BIT CLEARER NOW

    Med:   AND HE WENT OVER EVERYTHING AND I LISTENED   HE SAID NOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING I SAID    HOW CAN YOU NOT BE SOLD    AND HE WAS RIGHT    ONE THING THAT SCARED EVERYONE    WAS CHANGE    WHEN YOU AS WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO ONE MAN AS AN HONEST MAN  AND HE IS  AND THINK THIS IS THE WAY OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BAM HE IS SITTING ON THE SIDELINE

    mailman17: HEY PAL

    Med    HEY MM17    ALL IS LOST

    mythbuster: Well if M really has the "power mentallity" that Sadam did... He should want as much or more then the value of the $

    Med: LIKE I SAID I NEEDED A COUPLE DAYS TO LET THIS SETTLE IN

    mailman17: TOLD YA NOT TO WORRY DIDNT i...

    Med:    ONE THING    MALIKI WILL NOT BECOME A DICTATOR    HE MAY THINK    IT IS COMING HIS WAY

    mythbuster: Hope not...

    Med:    BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN    NOW RIGHT NOW MOST OF AMERICA    DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ    REALLY    THEY DONT    IF WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON    WAS PUBLICIZED LIKE EVEN THE SMALLEST ISSUE IN AFGHANISTAN    THEY WOULD ALL BE POUNDING ON THEIR CONGRESSMANS AND SENATORS DOOR

    mythbuster: Yep, haven't heard anything on the news about it

    Med:    TELEPHONES WOULD BE RINGING OFF THE HOOK    NO THERE ISNT

    mailman17: SEE...ALL IT TOOK WAS A PHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN US TO SETTLE YOUR NERVES..<)<)<)

    Med:    SORRY BRO    IT WASNT YOU    LOL

    mythbuster: Woops Sen Grahm is talking about it now... lol

    Med: IS HE

    mailman17: SAY AGAIN?

    mythbuster: yes... on gretta

    Med:    NO I HAD A TALK WITH SONNY SEVERAL TIMES    AND WITH FITTER

    mailman17: I TOLD YOU ONLY PARLIAMENT CAN REMOVE HIM....LOL

    Med:    YOU ARE RIGHT    CERTAINLY

    mailman17: BOY...YOUR MEMORY IS SHORT OLD MAN....LOL

    Med:    NO IT WASNT THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT    IT WAS THE ISSUE OF THE EXCHANGE RATE

    mailman17: SAW THAT

    Med:    THAT IS WHAT WAS IN ALL THE ARTICLES    IT WAS THE COMPLAINT

    mailman17: VERY INTERESTING INDEED

    Med:    THE ISSUE THAT IS PUTTING SHABIBI OUT TO DRY    RIGHT NOW    IS THEY ARE UPSET THAT THE DINAR EXCHANGE RATE IS NOT MORE

    mailman17: AND OF COURSE I HAVE A THEORY...

    Med: AND CLOSER TO PAR WITH THE USD

    TXCPA: I hope that they want it at $3.42. LOL

    Med: THAT CRAZY STORY HOW TUKRI CAME IN AND SAVED THE AUCTIONS FROM COLLAPSE

    mailman17: SAW THAT TOO

    Med:    THE AUCTIONS WERE IN NO WAY GOING TO COLLAPSE    AND JUST WHAT DID HE DO

    mailman17: AGAIN...REFUSE TO BELIEVE 99% OF ANY MEDIA COMING OUT

    Med:    WHAT WAS IT HE DID    I COMMENTED ON ONE OF THE IRAQI SITES    ON THE SHABIBI THING    THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO POST IT    BUT I SENT IT

    mailman17:    OK...LETS ALL PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON....LOL    READY    WHO IN IRAQ WANTS THIS RV MORE THAN WE DO?    TRICK ?    NOT SHABS

    mythbuster: M

    mailman17:    CORRECT    WHY?

    mythbuster:    All the dinar he stole    lol

    mailman17: BECAUSE HE STANDS TO GAIN 100S OF BILLIONS POSTT RV

    mythbuster: righy

    mailman17:   DEPENDING HOW MUCH HE AND HIS CRONIES HAVE STOLEN    YES?

    TXCPA: Mighty Maliki and the boys

    mailman17: WHO STOOD IN HIS WAY?

    SpankyI: for sure lol

    mailman17: CORRECT

    flowergirl: shabs

    mythbuster: But he would raise susoision when he exchanges it

    mailman17:    TIME AND TIME OVER...MALIKI HAS TRIED TO TAKE OVER THE CBI    WOULD IT?    IF ITS LAUNDERED?

    mythbuster: Man I cant type

    mailman17: HAPPENS EVERY DAY

    mythbuster: I think so

    mailman17: MOB STYLE COUNTING PRACTICES    OK

    mythbuster: lol

    mailman17:    SO    LETS ASSUME

    TXCPA: Probably has it stashed in Europe

    mailman17: THE MAIN REASON FOR SHABS HOLDUP ON THE RV IS PERSONAL

    SpankyI: (lol) that kooks like my typing(lol)]

    flowergirl: yes

    mailman17:    AS LONG AS HE CAN MAINTAIN INFLATION    HE CAN ALSO KEEP MALIKI FROM USING IT

    mythbuster:

    mailman17: NOW REMEMBER...THIS IS AN EPIPHAMY I HAD...LOL

    SpankyI: :P

    mythbuster: Makes sense

    mailman17: SO NOW

    mythbuster: so far

    mailman17:    WITH THE THREAT OF POSSIBLE REMOVAL OF MALIKI    DUE TO CORRUPTION AND  VIOLATION OF CHAP 7 HE MUST DO WHAT?

    flowergirl: RV

    mailman17: NOPE  GET WHO OUT OF THE WAY THE ONE MAN IN HIS WAY

    SpankyI: shabs

    mailman17:    BINGO    LETS SAY    ASSUMINGLY    OF COURSE    THAT MALIKI GETS WORD    THAT HE NO LONGER WANTED TO COME OUT AT A 1-1

    mythbuster: hmmmm

    mailman17:    THAT HE WNATED A SUCKER RATE....LETS SAY ANYWHERE BETWEEN A DIME AND 30 CENTS    WELL NOW    ALTHOUGH GREAT FOR US HERE ON DS    NOW WHAT MALIKI WNATED    OR PLANNED ON

    Aunt Gwennie: that will buy a 22 bullet for him

    mailman17: LOL

    mythbuster: You're in the wrong profession, you should be a sluthe... lol

    SpankyI: lol

    mailman17:   I TRULY THINK...THAT IS WHY WE ARE AT THIS CROSSROAD WITH THE CBI    TY MYTH...LOL    I THINK?...8-|

    mythbuster: It is possble I supposeLOL

    cdjsilver51: Yeh, but what will make the RV happen?

    guardian: So that answers why our sweet loveable knowledgeable smart respected astute renouned and adored Shabibi delayed.

    mailman17: NOW THE ONE THING MALIKI HAS THAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE HIS UNDOING IS THIS

    SpankyI: that what ive been thinking but was not sure if I was on the right track

    mailman17:    HIS DICTATOR MENTALITY    THAT NOTHING CAN TOUCH HIM    GUARDIAN...ITS JUST A THOUGHT OF MINE

    mythbuster: Yep... his arrogance

    mailman17:    AND I AM SURE THE IMF WAS RIGHT THERE JUST IN CASE    NOW    SHABS CAME BACK FROM WHERE?    TOYOKO?    YES

    flowergirl: yup

    mailman17: GUESS WHO HAD A MEETING WITH THERE?

    guardian: i was going to ask you why he delayed, but couldn't get a word in edgewise...

    mailman17: LEGARD FROM THE IMF

    cdjsilver51: how do you know that?

    mailman17:    SORRY GUARDIAN...GOTTA TYPE WHILE ITS STILL FRESH    LITTLE BIRDIE CD

    guardian: ok lol

    flowergirl: what else MM17...

    SpankyI: lol Guardian

    rowboat: he reads

    mailman17:    SHABS JUST MAY HAVE STALLED THIS PURPOSELY KNOWING THE OUTCOME AS FAR AS CORRUPTION    WAITING    FOR SOMEONE TO ACT    JUST A THOUGHT

    flowergirl: oh I get it

    guardian: but he has the keys to the safe

    SpankyI: lol

    mythbuster: Its a chess game with S and M if true

    mailman17:    THROUGHOUT THIS ALL...DID ANYONE SE SHABS EVEN BREAK A SWEAT    LIKE HE WAS WORRIED?

    SpankyI: nope

    mailman17: CORRECT

    guardian: last time i saw him he was fine

    mailman17:    YES HE WAS   COOL AS A CUCUMBER

    mythbuster: Maybe I should have reversed that to M and S lol

    SpankyI: were u at his house Guardian(lol)

    TXCPA: I like the S&M chess game Myth

    mailman17: MYTH..YES A CHESS GAME MALIKI NEEDS NOT BE IN...CAUSE SHABS IS BOBBY FISCHER

    mythbuster: lol

    guardian: yep ;o)

    SpankyI:

    mythbuster: agreed MM17

    mailman17: ANYWAY PEEPS...I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE WAY IT IS....JUST GIVING YOU SOMETHING TO CHEW ON AND THINK ABOUT

    TXCPA: Thanks MM & Med. Doesn't seem as bad as I felt this morning.

    cdjsilver51: so give us a theory on how this will work itself out

    mailman17:    LIKE WE HAVE PLANNED IT    IMVHO

    mythbuster: Well Sen Grahm was talking about Iraq on Gretta tonight

    mailman17: I STILL THINK THIS WILL HIT BY JAN1

    SpankyI: well like I said ive been thinking that but did not want to say any thing

    guardian: with all this knowledge, it seems we have to wait for maliki to be gone

    mailman17:    IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN LEGARD AND SHABS    AND WHAT WAS SAID

    mythbuster: He was saying he was sending messages to the Asmin that everything in Iraq is falling apart

    flowergirl: ...are u saying S won't be responsible for the RV but the new governor...

    mythbuster: Admin

    mailman17:    NO...I AM NOT    THE NEW GUY IS THERE TEMP

    SpankyI: Shab has the key and we are just on stand by right

    mailman17: AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED SHABS IS STILL IN CONTROL UNTIL I SEE OTHERWISE

    flowergirl: oh I see

    SpankyI: sounds good to me

    guardian: when will we be rich?

    mailman17:    REMEMBER...THE NEW GUY ALSO IS CONSIDERED ANOMINEE    THIS STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH PARLIAMENT

    SpankyI: some day(lol) Guardian

    mythbuster: Well what they are trying to do is illegal, as you said...

    mailman17: LIKE I SAID LAST NIGHT

    jesse888:    mm17    (})

    mailman17:   YES...THAT IS WHAT THE LAWYERS WILL FIGHT OUT   HEY JESS

    guardian: then if the vote in shabs, we're stuck with his "delay"

    mailman17: NO

    SpankyI: yes

    mailman17:   NOT REALLY GUARDIAN   THIS LAST POWER PLAY BY MALIKI JUST MIGHT GIVE THE UN A FINA REASON TO STEP IN AND REMOVE HIM ON 7 VIOLATIONS

    guardian: until M is gone

    mythbuster: S has already stated everything is done

    flowergirl: probably the new governor of CBI might get an idea and RV this puppy...jmo

    mailman17: AND THEN LET THE COURTS SETTLE THE CORRUPTION

    SpankyI: ok

    guardian: that is the logical western thinking, but i like it

    mailman17:    AGREE GUARDIAN?    TY    KNEW THERE WAS A REASON I LOVED YA    YOU TOO SPANK

    guardian: that's the way it should go

    mythbuster: I doubt the UN will step in, but they could

    SpankyI: :-*

    Med: BUT

    mailman17: NEVER DOUBT

    Med: REMEMBER

    mailman17:    WHAT?    WO    LOL

    Med: MALIKI HAS KEPT HIS NAME OUT OF IT

    mailman17: YES

    Med: YOU WILL NOT TIE HIM TO IT

    mailman17: BUT BIRDS HAVE A HABIT OF SINGING WHEN CAGED'

    Med: THIS STEMMED FROM THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS

    mailman17: MED?

    mythbuster: Good point Med... I would have overlooked that little fact...

    mailman17: GOT A ?

    Med: GO AHEAD

    mailman17:    TIGERS SUCK?    (6)

    SpankyI: (lol)

    mailman17: BAM

    Med: BUT THEY WILL BE IN THE WORLD SERIES

    mailman17: YEAH YEAH....LOL

    Med:    NOW TAKE A LOOK    AT COUNTRIES LIKE SYRIA    SUDAN    CONGO    SOUTH AFRICA DURING    APARTHEID

    mailman17: AND TOLEDO

    Med:    GUYANA    ALL COUNTRIES WITH HORRIFIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS    MASS MURDER

    mailman17:    YES    UNTHINKABLE

    Med:    THESE ARE OR WERE PERFECT SITUATIONS    YOU WOULD THINK THE UN WOULD JUMP IN    YET THEY DIDNT

    mailman17:    YES    BUT

    Med: BUT

    mythbuster: Right

    Med:   SO I HONESTLY DONT THINK    UNLESS

    mailman17:    ECONOMY OF THE WORLD IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT I THINK    AS IT EFFECT BILLIONS

    Med: IT IS AN OUTRIGHT TAKE OVER

    mailman17: NO

    Med: AS A DICTATOR

ANALYSIS OF MED, PART 2, 18 OCTOBER



mailman17:    SOMETHINGS PLANNED    AGREED

    Med:   YOU WILL SEE THE UN AS A FORCE    YOU WILL SEE

    mailman17: I JUST HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT YET

    Med:    I BELIEVE    THOUGH    THE U.S. WILL GET A GO AHEAD    NOW HERE IS ONE PROBLEM   WE NOW ARE CONSIDERED NOT AT WAR   ANYMORE IN IRAQ

    mailman17: CORRECT

    mythbuster: True

    Med:    I THOUGHT UNDER THE WAR POWERS ACT    PRESIDENT OBAMA    CANNOT SEND US ARMY TROOPS IN    HE CAN ONLY    SEND    US MARINES

    mailman17: BUT IF REPRESENTING THE UN....THE WE MIGHT BE OK AS WE WERE THE ORIGINAL COUNTRY ANYWAY IN UN REFORM OF IRAQ
      Med:    I AM NOT GOING MM17 TO DISAGREE WITH THAT    I AM KIND OF THINKING    THAT THIS IS STILL OPEN

    mailman17: FUN AINT IT?...LOL

    Med: AND HE WOULDN'T NEED CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL

    mailman17: AGREED

    Med:   BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID   THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH STUFF   YEAH I AGREE   BLAH BLAH BLAH

    mailman17: AS IRAQ TECHNICALLY IS STILL MORE OR LESS UNDER US RULE

    Med: YES

    mythbuster: Have the security files been closed between US and Iraq?

    Med:    THAT IS A POINT THAT IS NOT DEBATABLE    IRAQ IS STILL IN A POSITION

    mailman17:   BALH BLAH BLAH

    Med:    THAT WE COULD COME IN AND CHANGE THE BLAH BLAH BLAH    WHEN WE WANT    UNTIL THE BLAH BLAH BLAH CHAPTER VII IS REMOVED   AND THE RUSKIES

    mythbuster: lol

    Med:    ARE NOW CLAIMING THEY CAN DO IT    RIGHT    JUST HOW    THEY HAVE SCREWED US OVER    ON EVERY VOTE    AGAINST SYRIA    AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET US TO GO ON BOARD    WITH THEM    WE MIGHT AS WELL RENAME IRAQ    IRAN II    IRAQ RIGHT NOW    IS A COUNTRY THAT IRAN COULD OVER RUN

    SpankyI: oh dear

    Med:    WITH HARDLY A SHOT FIRED    IRAQ IS THAT WEAK

    mythbuster: Except for our response

    Med:    IRAQ NEEDS TO STAY IN CHAPTER VII    NOW PAY ATTENTION TO THIS    AS LONG    I REPEAT    AS LONG AS NURI MALIKI IS THE PM    AND SHOWS THIS TYPE OF DICTORIAL BEHAVIOR    MOON WILL NOT ALLOW THEM OUT OF CHAPTER VII    THEY WILL STILL BE IN CHAPTER VII    AT NEXT ELECTIONS

    mailman17: AGREED

    mythbuster: Yep

    Med: MOON KNOWS THIS GUY TOO WELL

    rowboat: lets hope

    mailman17: KEY WORDS BEING AS LONG AS HES PM..(6)

    Med:    RIGHT NOW WE HIT WHAT I FIRST THOUGHT WAS A BRICK WALL    WITH THE SHABIBI THING    IT HIT ME HARD

    mailman17: BUT I TALKED YOU DOWN...<)

    Med:    I NEVER SAW IT COMING    IT WAS THE ONE CONSTANT    I COULD COUNT ON

    mailman17: BUT STILL CAN PAL

    Med:    AND WITH THIS FRIGGN NEW MEDS    I WAS SICK    I COULDNT GET A GRASP

    mailman17: YOU SEEM A LOT CHIPPER

    Med:    IT WAS ALL LIKE    BLAH BLAH BLAH    YOU KNOW HOW MM17 TALKS    BLAH BLAH BLAH

    mailman17: HEY NOW

    Med:    LOL    LOL

    mythbuster: lol

    mailman17:

    mythbuster: Gotta go Med and MM17. Thx for the chat and have a good night.

    GOP: ahhh.. friends!!

    SpankyI: what are u taking about u still on top of thing Med

    Med: BUT MM17 YOU WERE RIGHT

    mailman17: YW MYTH

    Med:    ME SPANKY    ON TOP OF IT

    SpankyI: yes u

    Med: IF YOU SAY SO

    mailman17:    DEER SEASON ALREADY?

    Med: IT ONLY TOOK ME 36 HRS TO CLEAR MY HEAD

    mailman17: PORR DOES....LOL

    Med: I HAVE NEVER REALLY GOTTEN SICK FROM MEDICATION BEFORE

    mailman17: NEW MEDS TAKE LONGER SOMETIMES...YOUR LUCKY

    Med: I WAS WONDERING WHY THEY GAVE ME STUFF FOR NAUSEA

    SpankyI: Ur all way here are u not?

    Med:   BEFORE   YES

    mailman17: DEFINE ALL HERE SPANKY?...

    Med:   HEY THAT IS JUST A NASTY RUMOR    STARTED BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME WELL

    mailman17: LOL

    rowboat: lol

    SpankyI: omg im leaving now lol

    guardian:

    Med: LOL

    SpankyI: (lol)

    mailman17:    GLAD TO SEE YOUR THINKING CAP IS BACK ON STRAIGHT PAL..HOPE THE MEDS HELP    YOU DO SEEM TO HAVE A LOT MORE ENERGY    A GUY YOUR AGE HAS TO TAKE IT EASY SOMETIMES

    Med: I SLEPT ALOT

    SpankyI: omg ur so bad MM

    guardian: many of us were shocked about shabibi and not even on medication lol

    Med: LOL

    mailman17: ...YOU SLEPT A LOT 5 YEARS AGO...MOSTLY ON YOUR KEYBOARD...LOL

    Med: AND STILL

    mailman17: LOL

    Med: OK TO REVIEW

    SpankyI: last night he was playing hide and seek(lol)

    Med: DO YOU ALL SEE THE STATEMENTS I AM TALKING ABOUT

    mailman17: SITTING BACK...ALL YOURS

    Med:    THE *** (gripe) HERE IS    WHY IS THE DINAR NOT WORTH MORE    AND WAS SHABIBI HOLDING IT BACK    THIS IS WHY    THEY SUSPENDED HIM    NOW ALL THE OTHER LEGAL STUFF    WILL HAVE TO BE SORTED OUT    SINCE THEY HAVE SEVERAL VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION    IN ALL THIS    WHICH REALLY DOESNT MATTER

    mailman17: NOT TO MENTION UN VIOLATIONS

    Med:    CUZ AS WE SAID    YES    CUZ AS WE SAID IN 2010    THE FIRST TIME THEY BROKE THE CONSTITUTION    IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE BROKEN    THEY HAVE NOTHING SACRED    EXCEPT TO THEIR OWN PARTY    NOT TO IRAQ   NOR ITS PEOPLE

    AND THIS IS SO OBVIOUS IN SOME OF THE ARTICLES   ON HOW MANY TRILLIONS OF DINAR   THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT    THAT THEY SAID THE ENTIRE COUNTRY COULD HAVE BEEN REBUILT    BRB OK    GOT TO CHECK MY RIBS

    rowboat: good summation

    Med:    TY ROWBOAT    I APPRECIATE THAT

    rowboat: yw

    Med:    DANIEL WROTE THAT FOR ME    LOL

    rowboat: lol

    SpankyI: yum were is mine ur all ways making us hunger lol

    guardian: in keeping maliki at bay, shabibi still harmed the country with his delay

    SpankyI: but why

    guardian: like being caught between a rock and a hard spot

    rowboat: maybe

    SpankyI: hmmm

    guardian: the country could have had a currency that is worth something...sooner

    rowboat: lets wait and see

    mailman17 :    TRUE GUARDIAN...BUT IN A WAY HE MAY HAVE KEPT A TRILLION DOLLARS OF RV'D DINAR FROM GOING WHERE WE DO NOT WANT IT...JUST A THOUGHT

    rowboat: reasons for everything

    guardian: on no more waiting rowboat lol

    rowboat: lol

    SpankyI: yes but my ? is still why the waiting

    mailman17: CAUSE

    Med: NOW GUARDIAN

    mailman17:

    Med:    I AGREE    SO DOES SONNY    AND THE PROFESSOR    WE FEEL THAT SHABIBI WAS SO CAUTIOUS    HE HURT IRAQ

    mailman17: YES...THAT I AGREE WITH

    Med: OH ARE THESE RIBS GOOD

    guardian: yes that's what i meant

    Med:    FALL OFF THE BONE   I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU    I KNEW THAT

    SpankyI: :@

    mailman17: ON THE OTHER HAND...THE DELAY MOST LIKELY MET APPROVAL OF THE US AND THE IMF THOUGH AS WELL.....WITH THE CONSEQUENCE OF HURTING IRAQ TAKING A BACK SEAT

    Med: THE GIRLS LOVE EM

    SpankyI: just rub it in would u

    Med   HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM    GOOD

    mailman17: THEY HAD THEIR PRIORITIES....AND UNFORTUNATELY...THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ CAME IN SECOND

    SpankyI: lol

    littlemanbig7: Hahaha

    Med: LOL

    guardian: just fall off the bone right into your mouth, no fuss no muss

    Med: YES THEY DID

    mailman17: HE EATS THE BONES AS WELL...

    Med: HMMM

    mailman17: OK PEEPS...GONNA RUN ENJOY THE NIGHT

    Med: NO KEEP GOING

    SpankyI: will see when it RV Guardian how good they are lol

    Med: I AM SORRY BRO

    mailman17:    IM DONE FOR NOW    LOL

    cdjsilver51: thanks MM17.

    mailman17:    KEEP EATING CHUBBY...    YW CD

    guardian: but i want some now by jet plane

    Med: HMMM

    mailman17: JUST KIDDING PAL...

    SpankyI: (lol)'

    (non Dinar talk)

    rowbow: gotta go read more

    Med:    OK    WHAT ISSUE    IS IT

    busman: friday and monday, are those still best days for an RV, med?

    Med: I THINK JUST BASED ON PAST HISTORY

    busman: i guess

    Med: BUT YOU KNOW

    Winston: (})

    Med:    THESE GUYS SET NEW STANDARDDS    ON EVERYTHING    WINSTON    YOU HAD A VERY GOOD ARTICLE    VERY GOOD    EARLIER TODAY

    Winston: that was a piece of pure luck

    Med:    WHO CARES    MOST OF THIS IS THAT

    Winston: haven't found a thing I could post in a long time! your newshounds always beat me to it!

    Med: TELL ME ABOUT IT

    Winston: the faithful ones!

    Med:    THE THING IS    IT ISNT JUST ONE    WE HAVE SO MANY    WITH SEVERAL THOUSANDS    OF POSTS    ONE THING FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO    PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING    IN THE POSTS    MUCH MORE

    Winston:    it was sure nice to have something in english - my iraqi speak is really rusty

    yes it is a very thorough site

    Med: OK A ?

    SpankyI: GN DS Med has been fun off tonight going to get some rest(})

    Winston: but the best are the people

    Med: OH NEVERMIND

    Winston: gn Spranks

    Med:    OK SPANKY    GN

    Winston:    what is the question    you can't stop now!

    Med:    IT WAS NOTHING    LIKE IS ONE PLUS ONE TW0    YES THAT IS IT    IS THAT RIGHT    LOL

    Winston: oh come on out with it

    Med:    I WAS WONDERING    WHAT WAS THE REACTION ON OTHER SITES WHEN SHABIBI GOT SACKED    HOW WAS IT HANDLED    WAS IT AN OH***   OR DID THEY KNUCKLE DOWN    LIKE WE DID    AND LOOK AND LOOK

    Winston:    like I said I don't think there is another site that has so many articles posted in a day    most thorough

    Med: NO I DIDNT MEAN SPECIFICALLY YOU

    Winston: faithful people ds

    Med:    BUT ALOT OF MEMBERS LOOK AT OTHER SITES    I MEAN I DONT    I ONLY KNOW OF ONE SITE STILL    AND THAT IS DINAR DADDY    I DONT KNOW WHAT OTHER SITES EXIST    NOR DO I CARE

    Winston: well I haven't looked a another nasty site in over two years where the people are so rude

    Med: YES THEY ARE

    Winston: but I did check dd when this happened

    Med:    THAT IS WHY THEY ARE THERE AND NOT HERE    RIGHT

    Winston: i had really forgotten about them

    Med: WERE WE POSTED ALL OVER IT

    Winston:    but there was not much on there    i was surprised

    Med: REALLY

    Winston: i don't think they are really up to snuff

    Med:    USUALLY WE ARE ON IT ALL THE TIME    OK I AM GOING TO CALL IT A NIGHT    YOU ALL TAKE CARE    AND TY    GN ALL    MED OUT