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Wednesday, June 27, 2012

BULLDOG CHAT , 28 JUNE


Bulldog75] LIVE FROM STARBUCKS, ITS WEDNESDAY NIGHT LIVE ~mrsdinar benny msgwen msgwen mamabird PoppaD okiesonshine pick3king .gypsymama Go Rving dillon229 Moni831 mrsdinar kool2bmiles love2teach luckyme ~MiddleClassMaiden kdw hotrod33 : HOWDY.

[Bulldog75] WOW. WHAT A TREAT. STANDING ROOM ONLY : SRO  

[Bulldog75] NO SEATS LEFT?

[Bulldog75] browneyes : SHOCKING NEWS ANSWER: SUPREME COURT DECISION AT 9AM APPROX ON HEALTH CARE !!!!

[_Visionary1] Bulldog...hey you... good to see you as always...

[Bulldog75] Bulldog75 _Visionary1 : MY VISION GETS 20/20 WHEN I SEE U.

[Moni831] Bulldog75 What is it that you can share with this evening???

[Bulldog75] TO PUT EVERYONE AT EASE; I WILL ANSWER EVERYONE'S RATE AND DATE QUESTION FIRST : LOL; DONG ABOVE .01 AND IQD ABOVE 10 BUCKS. OK; NOW, EVERYONE CAN SLEEP EASY BECAUSE GOD KNOW'S THE REST OF THE STORY.
[browneyes] Bull Dog 75 It sounded like one other schocker for 2morrow other than health care any ideas??

[Bulldog75] browneyes ; ARE WE SINGING "DON'T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE"; CAN U BE SPECIFIC ON THE OTHER SHOCKER BECAUSE MY SHOCKS ARE WORN OUT. 

[KettleP] Did this wrench Maliki through in wont have anything to do with the RV will it?

[Bulldog75] KettleP : ANSWER: NONE. MAILIKI'S WRENCH DAMAGED HIS SPOKES IN THE WHEEL. TY.  

[fpage] Bull Dog 75 what was the Health Care decision?

[Bulldog75] fpage ANSWER: COMES IN THE MOURNING.

[Bulldog75] MORNING

[Bulldog75] A LITTLE DOUBLE MEANING THERE. HAAAA.

[browneyes] Bull Dog 75 It sounded like one other schocker for 2morrow other than health care any ideas??

[Bulldog75] browneyes ANSWER: BRING IT HOME? ITS IN MY BACK POCKET RIGHT NOW. JUST WAIT.

[sonnayhwh] Bulldog75 - Are you aware if the weekly global banking alignment took place as scheduled today?

[Bulldog75] sonnayhwh : THERE IS A MAJOR ALIGNMENT FORTHCOMING; THEY DO THEIR STUFF USUALLY ON T-W-THURS. TY.

[hmoob76] Bulldog did O sign off ?

[Bulldog75] hmoob76 : OH; U ARE SO INTO THE KNOW WITH 'O'. HIS WRIST IS HURTING IT TOOK SO MUCH EFFORT ~

[Lonestarcowboy] Bulldog75, other than WF.....could you name another goof financial institution to put some of our blessing into to not have it all in one basket?

[Bulldog75] Lonestarcowboy : ANSWER: IN ORDER OF FAIRNESS TO THE BANKS, PLEASE SEE INTERNET FOR BANK RATINGS. ONE WILL FIND SOME 'LOW AND SOME HIGH' RATINGS. TY.

[herc825] Bulldog75 would you agree that the vote of healthcare is also about our freedom and the right of free choice?

[Bulldog75] herc825 : ANSWER: YES. IMHO, ANY ONE WITH COMMON SENSE SHOULD KNOW THAT BILL (THAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL SAY 'NO' TO TOMORROW) ENFRINGES UPON AMERICAS FREEDOM. IT'S AN ACT OF SOCIALISM AND A STEOP TOWARD COMMUNISM

[_Visionary1] Bulldog75 what are your on opening trust accounts in several banks? TY in advance kind Sir.

[Bulldog75] _Visionary1 : I HAVE TWO TRUSTS, ONE CHECKING AND ONE BUSINESS. ALL NIB, DODD FRANK. TY

[Bulldog75] AND AT TWO BANKS. TY

[mrsdinar] Bulldog75 Did Sambo post the Dodd Frank Form on the Forum - couldn't find it (re: conference call)

[Bulldog75] mrsdinar : UNKNOWN . PLS SEE MODS. TY

[KettleP] Did I read right that we will only have 7 - 8 days to do the currency exchange?

[Bulldog75] KettleP : PROB ESTIMATE YES, 7 DAYS APPROX. WE WAIT

[TheMeek] Bulldog75 What happens to the stock exchange with companies holding billions in long-term treasuries in multiple countries when those countries de-value? I've heard much about staying out of the market for first six months, but if every Fortune 500 that has to disclose and be divested worldwide falters, what's the real future look like post RV in your mind? If the markets fall apart as a result, wouldn't there be a "second wave" of dollar value months after RV? How do you play that?

[Bulldog75] TheMeek ANSWER: GOOD Q: ANSWER: MARKETS WILL WOBBLE 10-20% IN MANY MARKETS. CAUTION; SOME CAN SWAY 50%. GREATEST GARGANTUAN TRANSFER OF WEALTH EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND. THIS WILL ROCK THE PLANET EVENTUALLY IN MANY FORMS, THOUGH IT'S QUITE RIGHT NOW. JUST WAIT. TAKE CAUTION. BE READY. I AM OUT OF THE MARKETS. TY.

[yuup] Hey Bulldog Smile.....do we need healthcare/life insurance after we are million aires ?

[Bulldog75] yuup : ANSWER YEP TO YUUP.

[Bulldog75] HEALTH CARE IS VITAL REGARDLESS OF AGE. BUT YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT RIGHT.

[bigT#283] Bulldog can you comment on the bankrobber hackers,

[Bulldog75] bigT#283 : ANSWER ; BANKROBBERS: GROUPS OF EM. : THEY ARE HACKERS, DOUBLE AGENTS, CYBER THEIVES AND MANY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT. FEDS, INTERPOL AND AGENTS AFTER EM. TAKING TIME BUT 'SOON' WILL END WITH GOOD GUYS BRINGING EM TO JUSTICE. TY.

[catfishstar] would our blessing interfer with my social security disability in any way??

[Bulldog75] catfishstar : YES UNLESS ONE PLAYS THE RULES OF THE GAME CORRECTLY. ~

[rick123] do you like cajun food?

[Bulldog75] rick123 : I AM CAJUN.

[EAGLE2124] Hi Bulldog75, what I want to know is that I am under the impression that the bank wants real bad therefore if we don't have trust they will provide us with one, amongst other perks of course. Should we trust this to happen IYHO?

[Bulldog75] EAGLE2124 : POSSIBLE. HAVE ANOTHER COUNSEL REVIEW YOUR TRUST'S SAFETY. MAKE SURE YOU ARE THE TRUSTEE AND NOT ANOTHER ATTORNEY OR ONE WILL LOOSE THEIR SHIRT AND SAVINGS. TY.

[MTDinar] Bulldog75 follow up to health care question, do banks offer HC plans as a perk? TY

[Bulldog75] MTDinar : ANSWER: NO. MUST GET THAT FROM A LICENSED " INSURANCE SALESMAN' IN THE STATE FROM WHICH YOU BUY THE HEALTH INSURANCE PRODUCT. THAT IS A STATE AND FEDERAL LAW THAT GET S COMPLICATED . SEE YOUR STATE INSURANCE BOARD AND YELLOW PAGES FOR AGENTS LICENSED TO SELL THAT INS PRODUCT.

[goodsnag] Will IR show during day or in night?

[Bulldog75] goodsnag : ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT ANSWER. TY

[Moni831] Bulldog75 Hi Hola My question is the FINCEN Form 104 do you have any idea on how this will role play into our lives??? Thanks.

[Bulldog75] Moni831 : FINCEN NAME BOTHERS ME FIRST OF ALL. WARNING ON THAT. LETS TALK POST RV. GOOD Q. TY.

[EAGLE2124] One more question Mr. Bulldog75, do you know if the banks will provide insurance for the accounts besides the given $250,000, like Lloyds of London? IYHO.

[Bulldog75] EAGLE2124 ; ;IF ACCT IS IN NIB, DODD: ITS UNLIMITED. AND REINSURED TO MAX OF DEPOSIT. TY.

Oohut] What will happen to those of us on Soc. Sec. after Exchange? Will we still be eligible?

[Bulldog75] Oohut : DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU MAKE AS AN EMPLOYEE IF U ARE WORKING AND FEDS MAY CHANGE THE LAWS

[fpage] When should we get Lloyds of London Ins?

[Bulldog75] fpage : ANSWER: ONLY IF 'INTEREST BEARING' BUT STILL AN OPTION EITHER WAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT ADDITIONAL LLOYDS IS EXPENSIVE. CHECK THAT OUT PLS. AND REPORT BACK.

SOONERFAN CHAT, 27 JUNE


GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING US INTEL PROVIDERS DO WHAT WE DO FOR MANY REASONS. ONE OF THOSE REASONS HAPPENED THIS AFTERNOON WHEN OKIE CALLED ME AND SAID: "YA BROTHER, THANKS FOR ALWAYS HAVING MY BACK."  AND SOME OF YOU GUYS WONDER WHY WE DO THIS....

TODAY HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL DAY AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE IN A REALLY GOOD MOOD TONIGHT. WHY? -- YOU ASK?   BECAUSE WE ARE CLOSE!! YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.  CAN'T YOU TELL? 

I WANT TO HAVE FUN TONIGHT!  JUST GOT MY TWIN FREEWAY BILL,  AND MY BEST FRIEND STUDLEY, OFF THE PHONE AND I AM STILL LAUGHING. YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA HOW CRAZY THESE GUYS ARE!  YOU ONLY SEE THE SERIOUS PART.

ALSO, I HAVE TO CONFESS, GRANNIEANNIE (MOD) NOW KNOWS WHAT I LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN GOOD EVENING....I HAVE 30 MINUTES THEN CONFERENCE CALL

[tornado] soonerfan62 -Do you think getting some VND is a good idea ??
[soonerfan62] tornado BETTER ALREADY HAVE IT

[ForHim] soonerfan62 today I talked with a trust lawyer. He said Dinar was a scam. I oh okay thanks. I guess that means you dont want to handel my millions?? 

[soonerfan62] ForHim GET A NEW LAWYER

[[panzer] soonerfan62 howdy how close is the VND from RVing?

[soonerfan62] panzer I STILL BELIEVE ALL WILL RV AT SAME TIME, TOO MANY PROBLEMS IF IT DOESN'T

[sharonsdinar1] soonerfan62 do they still have the same cyber issues as they had recently with people being able to get in and get your money or have they stopped that from happening?

[soonerfan62] sharonsdinar1 I BELIEVE THEY HAVE GOT A HANDLE ON IT NOW

[blueblaze1962] soonerfan62 Do you think there is just too much news out there right now for this to go before the 1st of july?

[soonerfan62] blueblaze1962 NO

[ready4bank] soonerfan62 Thank you for everything. At this point all I need to know is when to go to the bank.

[soonerfan62] ready4bank REAL SOON, I PROMISE

[tornado] soonerfan62 -How is Europe operating without this RV?

[soonerfan62] tornado WELL I'M IN LONDON NOW, LET ME CHECK

[highlander65] soonerfan62    Sweetheart - IYHO you feel the bank heist arrests were real and not smoke? Aren't we to have a new banking system so why bother fixing the old one?

[soonerfan62] highlander65 THE OLD ONE DOESN'T WORK

[loumat] soonerfan62 Tomorrow is going to be a HUGE news day, with the Contempt vote in the House and the SUPREME COURTS ruling on Obamacare. Cyprus is asking the Euro Zone for a bailout. Maybe a good time to let this slip out?

[soonerfan62] loumat TOMORROW WILL BE HUGE FOR NEWS

[highlander65] soonerfan62 I understand but seems like these problems they are trying to fix are attached to the old one. Thanks hon

[soonerfan62] highlander65 SO NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS TAKING SO LONG. YOU WIN TONIGHT'S PRIZE...A DATE WITH GrannieAnnie

[chillimac] soonerfan62 if the problems are attached to the old ones, we may never be free of them, or get them cleared up, that will take a long time, more than a week?

[soonerfan62] chillimac NO, CHILL... NO PUN INTENDED

[FIREFIGHTERGIRL] soonerfan62 good news I hope

[soonerfan62] FIREFIGHTERGIRL ALWAYS, NO BAD NEW ANYMORE, THAT'S IN THE PAST

[soonerfan62] OK GUYS GOTTA GO, HAD FUN----CALL RIGHT NOW... LUV YA GUYS! WE ARE THERE! GOOD NIGHT!

POPPY POST, 27 JUNE

6-27-2012 Poppy3: I appreciate all of you and I did get a call from NY broker yesterday. He still says the dong should go at any time. Man I wish it would just like all of you.  He should call me back Friday.

BLUWOLF CHAT, 27 JUNE


bluwolf] HOPE YOU'VE HAD A VERY GOOD DAY

[bluwolf] LISTEN UP I AM OF THE FEELING THAT WE ARE IN A VERY POSITIVE TIMEFRAME AT THE MOMENT,THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD FROM MY VIEW POINT..I HONESTLY THINK I SHOULD GET MY PHONE VERY SOON..

[bluwolf] Stewie YES BUT THAT MESSAGE HAD IT'S PURPOSE AND I KNOW IT HIT THE SPOT,THINGS ARE UNDERWAY AND THAT IS GOOD FOR ALL

[ [bluwolf] SORRY I MEANT PHONE CALL ABOVE

 [Moni831] bluwolf Are you excited with what you know???

[bluwolf] Moni831 VERY MUCH SO

[bluwolf] river rat YES THAT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT

[moneybagssoon] So we only have three days left in June right? So we COULD be good to go soon..... whahoooooooooo                       

[bluwolf] shucks I SURE WILL

[okiegroupie] bluwolf Glad to hear you are very VERY excited blu...we appreciate you sharing

  [MTDinar] bluwolf will banks be able to process this currency exchange over "a" weekend?

[bluwolf] MTDinar YES VERY MUCH SO
[bluwolf] LOOK I WANT TO KNOW THAT ALL POSITIVE INTEL PROVIDERS ARE DOING ALL THIS FROM THE GOODNESS OF THE HEART,WE HEAR EVERYDAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING AND WE GIVE COMFORT IT WHATEVER WAY WE CAN,,IT IS VERY HARD FOR ALL OF US CAUSE WE FEEL WHAT YOU FEEL AND IT GETS TO US..

 [toastnail] bluwolf The idea (fact?) that the reported cyber theft attempts on banks was holding up the RV seems to be growing in popularity. Is this something the intel providers are trying to get out to the readers or is it merely people connecting dots that do not exist?

[bluwolf] toastnail NO IT IS ALL TRUE,,BUT SEE I WANT IT DONE,,AND THE PEOPLE WHO HEARD ME THIS MORNING KNOW THAT

 [bluwolf] THERE IS ALOT OF BAD NEWS OUT THERE ALL SMOKE

 [bullrider1988] bluwolf i know there are things u cannot share is there anything new you canshare

bluwolf] bullrider1988 SIMPLE ALL IS DONE AND WE WAIT FOR OUR PHONE CALL ON THE CODES

[bluwolf] montana1 ALL IS GOOD EXCEPT FOR THE PATIENTLY PART,SEE PATIENCE BELONGS ONLY TO GOD,WE DO NOT ASK FOR PATIENCE FOR WITH PATIENCE COMES TESTING THREW TIME

 [[nicksfinderskeepers] bluwolf will we be able to cash out both dinar and dong at the same time

[bluwolf] nicksfinderskeepers YES

[KAI] bluwolf - tomorrow we will learn about both day one at the European Summit and the Supreme Court ruling on "Obamacare." What do you expect to come out of the European Council, Day One?

[bluwolf] KAI WELL IF THEY LEAVE THERE MACHO EGOS AT THE DOOR I SEE PROGRESS IF THEY DON'T NO PROGRESS WHAT SO EVER

 [randaree] bluwolf While reading on the IRS site today it is stated that from 2008-2012 capitol gains would be 0% and could that be true for our investment?

 [bluwolf] randaree HONESTLY IMO I DO NOT THINK SO

 [NRGMedGal] bluwolf Just signed on so please forgive me if I'm asking a question that has already been asked...Did the rate show up on bank screens and now we are waiting on the bank codes? Thank you!

 [bluwolf] NRGMedGal THAT IS CLASSIFIED , BUT WE ARE WAITING ON OUR CODES AWS=AS W SPEAK

  [Searay 32] Bluwolf, may I ask when this RV happens how is the email going to look like that we can expect, so we don't delete it as a mistake. TY

[bluwolf] Searay 32 I HAVE NO IDEA

 [moneybagssoon] bluwolf just a quick statement - my CPA met with the IRS and she was told that our investment will be taxed, unfortunately, so we all need to check with our CPAs

[bluwolf] moneybagssoon IT WILL BE TAXED

 [bluwolf] LISTEN PAY OFF ALL TAXES AND BE FREE TO ENJOY YOUR LIVES

[ [Moni831] bluwolf would it be taxed by state and feds???

[bluwolf] Moni831 I DO THINK SO,I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW HOW YOUR COUNTRY WORKS BUT BY SEEING HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKS HONESTLY I THINK SO

[ [ratjman] bluwolf we have been hearing NIB accts due to change in FED and UST should we move existing dollars we have in CDs and savings into NIB

[bluwolf] ratjman TAKE IT DAY BE DAY,SEE THE REAL STORY WHEN YOU GET TO THE BANK

 [balance] Do you expect to be with us whenever Okie gets to make the post? Wondering if it will be ceremonious or completely sudden and unannounced beforehand.

 [bluwolf] balance IF I GET THE INVITE YS

 [randaree] bluwolf Why would this RV be taxed when the kuwait was not according to some people??

[kepha2000] randaree Seems to me the best course of action would be to assume that there will be tax.

[~sednet1] BLUWOLF? WITH GREAT RESPECT TO YOU SIR, WITH REGARD TO TAXES (IF ANY) WHAT CODES WOULD THAT FALL UNDER? THESE TRANSACTIONS ( CURRENCY EXCHANGES) COULD BE ARGUED TO BE EXACTLY THAT...THEREFOR NOT TAXABLE. AN "INVESTMENT" MUST BE CLAIMED AS SUCH.... SO IT APPEARS THERE MAY BE ROOM FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS. FURTHER THE IRS ACTUALLY HAS NO AUTHORITY WHAT SO EVER TO ASSESS ANY RATE. OR %...BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ON ANOTHER DAY... THATNK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO! LOVE YOU IN JESUS NAME!

[moneybagssoon] ~sednet1 I certainly hope you are correct - wouldn't that be great if we didn't have to pay taxes and could use our money the way we see fit to help those in need?

[bluwolf] randaree KUWAIT WAS NOT DSTROY,NOR DID THEY HAVE A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT,IRAQ IS A DIFFERENT MONSTER IT WAS DESTROY,,GOVERNMENT WAS CHANGED[DICTATORSHIP],AND IT BECAME A US TERRITORY UNTIL EARLY THIS YEAR,,BESIDES EXCECUTIVE ORDER 13303 STATES THE WORD INVESTMENT AND WITH THIS WORD IN IT WE PAY CAPITAL GAINS

[bluwolf] ~sednet1 NO WHEN IT FALLS INTO THE INVESTMENT FIELD YOU PAY CAPITAL GAINS TAXES

 [ouison] bluwolf : Will you please help me understand how I should get my dinars back to Canada once it will be RVd. Right now they are rolled over but once the RV will occur, I wish to wait a little while to see if the RV goes up. Should I exchange them on the spot ? Will the Banker be able to send me wired cash ?????

[bluwolf] ouison LOOK YOU WILL RECIEVE WITH THE CODES THE HIGHEST RATE AVAILABLE,,IT WILL NOT GO UP ANY MORE,YOU ONLY WILL GET 6 TO 8 DAYS TO CASHIN,SO DO THE CORRECT THING AND CASH IT ALL IN AND THEN SET UP YOUR WIRE TRANSFERS

[2514east] bluwolf will the gov. get a cut off of the top at exchange?

bluwolf] 2514east NOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW THEY REALLY WORK WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[firefixer] Bluwolf, my interpretation is an investment that you can resale, ie, oil fields, retail, etc, all we are doing is exchanging money, that we already paid taxes on prior to "purchase" ,,,, correct?

[bluwolf] firefixer LOOK THE NEW DINAR HAS NOT BEEN IN RELEASE AS OF YET,,IT MUST GAIN A VALUE INTERNATIONALLY,IT IS CALL A REVALUE NOT A REINSTAEMENT,AND AS A REVALUE IT MUST PAY..

[ [annabelle] Bluwolf...do you think dong will RV before IQD?

 [bluwolf] annabelle NO IN THE SAME BASKET,

 [H2OMAN] bluwolf .... hola...Do I understand correctly that the WF will only offer the "special " rate for 6-8 days , then the rate will revert to What?

[bluwolf] H2OMAN AH YES

[Stewie] bluwolf when will the new Dinar be released??

[bluwolf] Stewie PROMPTLY

 [DrTeach] bluwolf, I spend a great deal of time teaching students to be at the right place, at the right time, with the right talent and opportunity. You are batting four for four.

 [edalspencer] Correct me if I'm wrong, the bank codes will be emailed to our dinarcap newsletter right?

 [bluwolf] edalspencer TO ALL THAT ARE ON LISTS

[gtov725] bluwolf why is there a 7-8 day limit on cashing in?

[bluwolf] gtov725 THATS THE RULES OF THE GAME

 [~sednet1] edalspencer DINAR RECAPS? YES CORRECT!

 [EAGLE2124] bluwolf our the banks getting more security so when this goes down!!!

 [bluwolf] EAGLE2124 ALL LOGISTICS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARED OF

 [dragn82] If we have to make appointments to cash in will there be enough time for all of us to get appointments within those 7-8 days

 [bluwolf] dragn82 YES

 [firefixer] Bluwolf, could the PTB give us the 7 + window, and start it without us knowing? Limiting our time frame?

[bluwolf] firefixer NO SIR

[bluwolf] dragn82 CROSS THE BRIDGE WHEN YOU GET TO IT..

[smokestack] edalspencer what are bank codes used for?

[bluwolf] smokestack TO GT THE HIGHEST RATES AVAILABLE

[debarb] bluwolf what if we have reserves, will we be able to pay off reserves and get the dinar in hand in 7-8 days? What do you think?

 [smokestack] bluwolf how does that work?

[edalspencer] okieman will email them to you to go cash in at wells Fargo to get our rate from what I understand

[bluwolf] edalspencer CORRECT

[stevhens777] bluwolf How will banks handle cashing out whales of 500million dinar?

[bluwolf] stevhens777 YOU ARE ALSO A WHALE,JUST LIKE YOU

[bluwolf] debarb GO GET YOUR DINARS AND THEN GO TO THE BANK WITH YOUR APPOINTMENT,SITTING DOWN AND WAITING TO BE SERVE WILL NOT CUT IT

[yuup] Good evening Our Mr. bluwolf..... do we need copies of our dinar/dong for cash in?

 [bluwolf] yuup NOPE

 [~SpecialAgentGibbs] edalspencer Okie will NOT email the codes, only recaps will do that

[sonnayhwh] bluwolf - Earlier there was talk that WF would offer extended hours for exchange. Do you know if that is still in the plan?

 [bluwolf] sonnayhwh YES 2 12 HOUR SHIFTS

[H2OMAN] bluwolf ...has Okie completed his graduation announcement and is he ready at a moments notice to bring it in .?

[bluwolf] H2OMAN HONESTLY I THINK SO

jimbucks] I live in a fairly small city (3 WF branches). Will I need to travel to my appointment?

 [Frenchy] bluwolf My Only Concern on that short Cashin Time at the High Rate is Not Being able to Cash Most in until the Trust arrives. I would feel More Comfortable if there was an account that the Majority Could be Cashed into Pending receipt of the Trust. Do You Know of any type of account this would be able to be done in, as the Trust Might take More Than 7 days to arrive?

[ [bluwolf] Frenchy IMO CASHIN AND LATER SET YOUR TRUST UP,SECURE YOUR MONIES FIRST

 [MTDinar] bluwolf will all states with a WF have a centralized location in state or will it be centralized by us region (N,W,E,S). I ask this due to the geography and nature of the state i live in. while there are a few WF banks, only one in my city deals with int currency and some cities have none. Thank you,

[bluwolf] MTDinar I AM TOLD THERE WILL BE A BANK LIST,,WE MUST CHECK WHAT IS NEAR YOU

[dinofan] Can we cash into an eskrow account till trust is set up to avoid taxes at initial exchange?

[bluwolf] dinofan TALK TO A VERY GOOD CPA OR ATTORNEY

[firefixer] Bluwolf, on a general question, how will this effect the U.S. debt? If at all? Seems we would become debt free on our (USA) holdings alone.

 [bluwolf] firefixer WITH THE GOVERNMENT THAT I AM SEEING NO WAY

 [bluwolf] THEY CANNOT AGREE ON ANYTHING

[bluwolf] WELL I SEE THAT ALL ARE CLEAR

[trt] bluwolf Has there been any change to policy that only US Citizens/residents can use WF codes to exchange ..ie Can non-US residents travel to USA and exchange their Dinar?

 [bluwolf] trt THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE BANK,,CALL THERE MAIN OFFICE AND ASK

 [JBK] bluwolf Just came in so apologize if this has already been asked. IYHO do you think the false Okie post this afternoon affects the RV? What is your thoughts on this false posting?

 [bluwolf] JBK IT WILL NOT STOP THIS,,NO ONE WILL,,ITS A GO

beckyishome] This may be silly but will the 7-8 day window be business days only or weekends and holidays also? Curious becuase we have been flooded in for 4 days and probably longer. Wondered what would have happened in our case and others if we Rv'd this past Friday.

bluwolf] beckyishome ALL INCLUDED

 [Moni831] bluwolf About the FinCen Form 104 will we all have to sign upon exchange??? Thank you for your time God Bless you through and through...    and I sure do hope All Wingmen and Mods are all here when Okie makes the announcement of our lifetime...

[bluwolf] Moni831 YES ALL HAVE TO FILL OUT FINCEN 104

 [Stars1203] bluwolf what about the dong?

[texcarman] Where can we find a list of the participating WF branches in our areas?

bluwolf] texcarman AFTER WE GET THE CODES

[bluwolf] WELL IT HAS BEEN FUN . GOD BLESS YOU ALL. GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY JOURNEYS

BLUWOLF TEXT MESSAGE, 27 JUNE


Bluwolf] text 10:14 a.m. edt 6/27/12:  I finally realize what is happening with this investments progress, we the providers are being use to do the dirty work in order to keep lureing out the bank hackers, they tell us to be silent yet they feed us false info to be let out to the public this creates interest which in turn activates the hackers greed.  See the big picture is that both the banks nor the UST know how many of them are out there and as for security there is none.  Meanwhile the people hurt but they wait for its outcome.  While we the providers get burnt for this act of deciveness, how cruel and disgusting can they be and how long muyst we keep on playing this game.  I just have a message to all concern stop this nonsense get it done, we ain’t stupid but I personally think that you (banks+gov) are.  Blu

BLAINO ON VIETNAM, 27 JUNE

7:19 PM [Precious] 6-27-2012 Blaino: Vietnam Grows. The leading country among frontier markets has been expanding faster than most emerging markets. Vietnam's GDP has grown 7.2 percent annually on average since 2000. 

Still, the country's benchmark VN Index (VNINDEX) tumbled 27 percent in 2011 as consumer prices surged as much as 23 percent, the fastest pace in Asia. Stocks in the emirates of Dubai and Abu Dhabi trade at some of the cheapest levels worldwide. 

The Dubai Financial Market General Index (DFMGI) was valued at 6.7 times analysts' profit estimates at year-end, while the ADX General Index traded for 7.5 times, compared with a global average of 10 times, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

 "Valuations are at historic lows," says Fadi Al Said, senior investment manager at ING Investment Management in Dubai. "And the businesses are actually doing well."

DINARWISHES CHAT, 27 JUNE


6:15 PM [DinarWishes] Hello Peeps and Fellow Squirrels!!!! Just a quick drive by to say I just talked to Okie on the Phone and HE DID NOT MAKE THAT POST!!!

He is being impersonated and is Very Upset by it.... The person Responsible is being banned from this site and will never be allowed back in....

This situation while we wait does not need unnecessary stress added by people trying to Gain 5 minutes of Fame..... They should be ashamed of themselves because of the undue stress they cause to innocent speculators....

6:15 PM [DinarWishes] BE GOOD AND GO RV!!!!
6:16 PM [xyz] DinarWishes what's the state of rv now?

6:16 PM [DinarWishes] I think its just Stupid that people have to make garbage up at a time like this....

6:17 PM [DinarWishes] xyz Confusion...  

6:17 PM [Asells] its not only STUPID Dw... it's DOWN RIGHT a SHAME ! and that someone would sink that LOW should be Banned on ALL SITES..... that's just CRAZINESS!

6:18 PM [DinarWishes] Well, being who it was I have to say.... Im not suprized
6:18 PM [txgirl] Asells yep and be dropped from all email notifications and see how they like them apples

6:19 PM [hummingbirdrose] DinarWishes Yep, at this point anyone who plays games makes it hard for all Dinarians. Ugh!

6:19 PM [dragn82] i have a question is it the same person that is on youtube that is out for okie just wondering

6:19 PM [dragn82] i was shocked to see it

6:23 PM [DinarWishes] Havent seen it and people have to take responsibility for themselves in this investment.... Someone gets a burr in their but and invest way too much because they havent studdies the trend this has gone, to understand NOBODY knows the Rate or the Date....

Things look really good for this to happen in the near future but to pinpoint it is beyond anyone in the Dinar Community.... We look for signs and real data... but its called speculation for a reason....

6:26 PM [DinarWishes] OK Peeps Im going for now.... BE GOOD AND GO RV!!!!

OKIEOILMAN POST, 27 JUNE

[..OKIEOILMAN] PARDON MY FRENCH BUT I'M MAD AS HELL. THERE ARE A RUMOR GOING AROUND ON ALL THE SITES THAT OKIE HAS MADE THE GRADUATION ANNNOUNCEMENT---NOT TRUE--I HAVE YET TO MAKE THE FINAL POST--ALSO THIS RUMOR CONTAINS THE INFORMATION THAT A PERCENTAGE WILL BE CHARGED FOR THE EXCHANGE CODE'S--AGAIN--NOT TRUE--

THE CODES WILL BE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE--DON'T LET ANYONE LET YOU THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THE CODES--ANYONE KNOWING WHERE THIS POST ORIGINATED FROM THE IMPOSTER PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS I HAVE A BOWIE KNIFE AND WILL CUT INPORTANT BODY PART'S OFF THIS INDIVIDUAL

[..OKIEOILMAN] THIS WILL BE THE FIRST AND ONLY SITE THE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE MADE--FROM HERE I WOULD IMAGINE IT WILL GO VIRAL AND THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE---HANG ON--I HOPE TO LAND THE PLANE VERY SOON

(DebTarheelGirlL): Official message from OkieOilman. I have just spoke with Okie personally- Okie  will only make the FINAL POST on his own Chat site at OOM&F. The post going around is a FAKE and, Okie is very displeased. Again, Okie does not send emails, will only post on his own site  OOM&F

[soonerfan62] EMERGENCY POST: I WANTED TO COME ON QUICKLY TO BACK UP WHAT DEBTARHEELGIRL IS NOW POSTING. OKIE HAS NOT POSTED, I HAVE TALKED TO HIM AND TO SAY HE IS UPSET IN AN UNDERSTATEMENT. HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS STRESSED AS EVERYONE ALREADY IS. PLEASE DISREGARD ANY POST THAT YOU THINK IS OKIE. I GIVE YOU MY WORD WHEN I HEAR IT FROM OKIE, I'LL BRING IT TO INTEL4U.

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 27 JUNE

6-27-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   Maliki is in a mad scramble to avoid winding up in front of Parliament. He made big noise about “turning this around on them” – turns out it was big talk is all. The fact of the matter is – Parliament supports the revalue of the currency, they are “chomping at the bit” to do a new Oil and Gas law (their distribution mechanism), and they will remember Maliki when the time comes. 

6-27-2012  Intel Guru TerryK   i have some juice...treat this as rumor as always.   I want to tell you about a little bird from a big bank and i had a short call this morning.  Thursday night will be sweet, many countries, i heard +30, are ready to be re- valued...if - this does not pop in the next week, the dong will and this is coming from my banker in nam. Rate will be high / over .50 for the dong, [you can find most Dong info @ www.DongGuru.com] now the dinar i heard today was again over in double digits, but i would not expect more than 8.16...and im sticking to that but treat that as rumor.

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Mike   Educating people about the banking system...Thats the Final stretch...they are getting people interested in getting their money into their banks…telling them what they can do and how we are going to do it.  Sounds like they are trying to build a banking system...All very positive developments...very straight forward.  You don’t have things like this in place if you are not going to have some sort of value to your currency.

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana  They aren't going to announce to the world that they are going to increase the value by X because that would lead to a massive run on the dinar with people buying it, and they won't tell us if they are going to DECREASE the value either because that would lead to a massive DUMP of dinar!...the one thing that remains constant in this speculation is that they CONTINUALLY talk about increasing the value. They never talk about the value going down - only going up. When the value goes up, we make money...so unless you have reason to think the value is going to go DOWN, there's no need to worry about anything - just chill out and wait for the day we get to cash in.

6-27-2012  Intel Guru Bulldog75   RATS ARE STILL IN THE CORNCRIB: Cyber bank robbers attempt billion-dollar heist, targeting our money. This is a major part of delays. Cyber theft is becoming rampant.  INTERNET BANKING IS NO LONGER SAFE.  THE WINDOW IS STILL WIDE OPEN. UNDERSTAND, AN RV DELAY HERE ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE BANKS AND US/WE/USA.THIS HAS TO BE REMEDIED FROM WHAT BANKS ARE GRADUALLY REVEALING.  CENTRAL AND WORLDWIDE BANKS SIMPLY ARE ON HIGH ALERT DOING ALL THEY CAN DO. 

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17   WHEN THE DINAR HITS…THE LAST THING THEY NEED IS MALIKI IN ANY FRACTION OF POWER, TOO MANY IRAN INFLUENCES AND SYRIA.  THIS IS JUST NOT ABOUT THE VALUE…BUT HOW IT COULD BE DISTRIBUTED, JMO,  HENCE THE DEAL OF BRINGING IN THE DINAR FOR US...BY SHABS WITH GUIDANCE FROM THE US AND IMF AND UN.

6-27-2012 Newshound Guru Phoenix3333    "Maliki calls for early elections. The Office of Prime Minister Maliki issued a statement clarifying his comments on the recent House of Representatives and his call for early elections. The prime minister has launched an attack on the House of Representatives, accusing lawmakers of being involved issues of terrorism and fraud...stressing that "Parliament should take its role as the most dangerous power in the country, which is the legislative authority, and there are major irregularities in it, there is abduction of the parliament, and there is silence about these violations," he that "we reject the spelling, and we refuse to enter into the constitutional legitimacy of our institutions, particularly Parliament." 

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana  So, this week in Dinar we see...No booting of Maliki, not much talk about Chapter 7, but a LOT of discussion about the "deleting the zeros" let's get one thing straight right away. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, at some point the 0's are going to come off. This is true whether they lop, redenominate, revalue, or anything else... what the CBI is telling us is that when they change the money, they are going to issue new notes with less 0'sThat is ALL...so you have to take these "delete the 0's" articles with a grain of salt.

6-27-2012  Newshound/Intel Guru BGG   Sadr isn’t backing off the “no confidence” issue. Just that he won’t be directly involved in the interrogation of Maliki. He has plainly promised – if they get 124 votes – his 40 votes are with them (and against Maliki). My bet is Hakim – same.  Maliki’s goons keep putting out that the NC vote is going no where – which is just not true. His goose is cooked as of right now.  He’s had chance after chance after chance after chance and the point is – he doesn’t want democracy. He wants to be a dictator.

6-26-2012  Newshound Guru Mike   we are seeing the CBI...educating the public – trying to get them used to what is going on...when they do RV...they have the ability to believe in them and believe in the currency...lots of pressure to get this economy up and going…and also theres also alot of pressure to get the political side figured out…moving that direction on both sides

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17  THE UN AND THE US IS WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY…THEY WILL STEP IN IF NEEDED CAUSE NOW MALIKI IS A THREAT BUT THEY WILL ALLOW THIS TO GO ON…THE DEMOCRATIC WAY…TILL ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.  THEY ARE STILL UNDER CHAP 7 AND IF MALIKI POSES A THREAT HE WILL BE DEALT WITH,  BIDEN IMO…TOLD THEM...YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO…BY THE CONSTITUTION.   FOR THE DINAR TO HIT THE MAINSTREAM…TO BE A GLOBAL CURRENCY THE GRAFT HAS TO BE CURTAILED TO A MINIMAL LEVEL.

6-27-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17   WE ALL KNEW THIS NO VOTE WASNT A WALK IN THE PARK. WE HOPED IT WOULD COME BY THE 15TH...I TRULY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE AT LEAST ERBIL DONE GOING INTO THE 19TH  BUT...LIKE ALWAYS...DICTATORS ARE ALWAYS DELAYING THE INEVITABLE.  IRAQ WANTS TO MOVE ON, THE WORLD WANTS THEM TO AS WELL,  THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESNT IS MALIKI AND IRAN.   WE SHALL SEE WHO WINS.

BULLDOG CHAT, 27 JUNE

[Bulldog75] ckgdrums carolinah2o TXROSE watereddown AngelHeart Preciousdaughter pooch mrsdinar : GOOD MORNING ALL! GREAT DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!

[Bulldog75] MUmama REFINERSFIRE Caro charlie Jesusfreak247 lilgrl jubilee486 mjc8365 : HOWDY!

[Bulldog75] ckgdrums carolinah2o TXROSE watereddown AngelHeart Preciousdaughter pooch mrsdinar : GOOD MORNING ALL! GREAT DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD!

[Bulldog75] RATS ARE STILL IN THE CORNCRIB: Cyber bank robbers attempt billion-dollar heist, targeting our money. This is a major part of delays. Cyber theft is becoming rampant. What are the answers? This descriptive article reveals many of the heist details, whats banks are not wanting to reveal and the Multi Billion High Stakes involved. http://www.foxnews.com/s ··· z0RPhBae

[Bulldog75] Lord Xerxes : I AM BLESSED AND HIGHLY FAVORED. SUPER RICH IN BLESSINGS, MIND, BODY & SPIRIT~ TYVM.

[Bulldog75] PLEASE REVIEW THIS ARTICLE AS IT GIVES 'INSIGHT' TO THE COMPLICATED SITUATION OF THE BANKS, ALL COUNTRIES. ONE EASILY CAN READ 'BETWEEN THE LINES' AND REALIZE THE MASS COMPLICATIONS BANKS ARE HAVING ON A DAILY BASIS PREVENTING HEISTS AND CONFUSION.

1blessedchica] Bulldog75 after taking all online security measures, is our only financial protection against these hackers Lloyds Insurance?

[Bulldog75] 1blessedchica : GOOD Q: IMHO, UPON CASHOUT, THE "MOTHER LODE OF ONE'S FUNDS- YOUR BIGGER ACCOUNTS" SHOULD NOT BE TIED TO INTERNET ABILITIES. I AM GOING TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS WITH MY BANKER BUT PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, I WILL CHOOSE TO ONLY BE ABLE TO MAKE TRANSACTIONS ON "THE BIGGIE ACCOUNTS" ONLY BY WALKING INTO THE BANK. i WILL HAVE MUCH SMALLER ACCTS LINED UP TO DO THE SMALLER TRANSACTIONS. TYVM.

[AngelHeart] BullDog seems like these problems are perpetual with the new cyber knowledge that is available daily.

[Bulldog75] AngelHeart : GOOD POINT ANGEL. INTERNET BANKING IS NO LONGER SAFE.

[Bulldog75] JBK AngelHeart : ALSO, THIS FOX NEWS ARTICLE SIMPLY ONLY TOUCHES THE EDGE OF THE ICEBERG. IMAGINE THE BANKS NOT REVEALING THE 'THEFTS' ~

[blessedandhighlyfavored] Bulldog75 When the email is sent out to us with the bank codes and instrustions, who will it say it is from? I want make sure I do not deleteit from my inbox or spam mail? Thanks for all you do!!   

[Bulldog75] blessedandhighlyfavored frencheeey ddgrandma : ANSWER: THIS HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED, COMPLEX SITUATIONS OF THIS DECADE IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY.

[ourblessing] Bulldog75 what do you think about the news out this am that Iraq is sovergn

[Bulldog75] ourblessing : ANSWER: PENDING CONFIRMATIONS ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY; THERE MUST BE AN RV FOR IRAQ EXIT FROM CH.7 PORTIONS.

[CrimsonTide] Bulldog75 My husband is an IT guy, he said that they almost have to catch these guys in the middle of a theft so they can trace it back to the IP address being used. If they are putting this out in the news do you think they have contained this situation?? If not, the bad guys can sit on their hands for awhile and wait for the light to be off of them. What do you believe. Are they contained???

[Bulldog75] CrimsonTide ANSWER: WHAT POLICE FORCES WE HAVE (WORLDWIDE) ARE DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWERS. THE PROBLEM IS 'PORTABILITY' OF THIEVES 'JUMP STARTING' WHEREVER THEY WISH. AT TIMES UNTRACABLE EXCEPT FOR IP ADDRESS. SOME INFO CLASSIFIED. THANKS.

[chickenchix] Do the Chinese own most of the stock WF bank ?

[Bulldog75] chickenchix : SOME MAJORITY IN SOME BANKS. TY.

[carolinah2o] Bulldog75 This has turned into something a lot larger than a simple currency revaluation. The window is still wide open and I'm waiting for God to tell me it's time. Thank you BD75.

[Bulldog75] carolinah2o : HI. YES, THE WINDOW IS STILL WIDE OPEN. UNDERSTAND, AN RV DELAY HERE ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE BANKS AND US/WE/USA. THIS HAS TO BE REMEDIED FROM WHAT BANKS ARE GRADUALLY REVEALING AND I COMMEND FOX ON THE ARTICLES.

[AngelHeart] BullDog Just from my own life experience I can't imagine what else goes on. It's an overwhelming awesome thought of really what we Don't know. We can only do our best and hope it's better. I struggle with the thought of world peace and it happening in my life time.

[Bulldog75] AngelHeart : TRUE. PLAYING IT SAFE AND KEEPING OUR 'MOTHERLODE ACCTS' BEING CYBER SAFE IS SIMPLY A GAME NOW OF KEEPING OUR BIG MONIES 'OFF INTERNET CAPABILITY'.

[inspired] Bulldog75 Bulldog75 Bulldog75 RATS ARE STILL IN THE CORNCRIB.....Are you trying to say the situation became WORSE Overnight Bulldog75 ???

[Bulldog75] inspired inspired : ANSWER: I ACTUALLY FEEL AND KNOW FROM REPORTS: MANY BANKS CONTINUE TO GUARD AND IMPROVE THEIR SYSTEMS WITH UPGRADES WEEKLY. WHERE AND HOW COMPLICATED THIS CAN BECOME IS ANYONE'S GUESS JUST LIKE THE 'RV DATE' GUESS. TY.

[granny49] Bulldog75 Banks should have special firewalls to prevent this from happening. It amazes me how these cyber gurues can get through most any thing.I don't think they will ever get them all, we have to take the necessary steps to protect ourselves (our money)

[Bulldog75] granny49 modynell JBK ; ANSWERS ; ALL GOOD POINTS: SINCE WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY, POWER OR CONTROL ; CENTRAL AND WORLWIDE BANKS SIMPLY ARE ON HIGH ALERT DOING ALL THEY CAN DO. WE PRAY AND HOPE AND DECLARE THE RATS ARE EXTERMINATED.

[dwsmittydog] Anyway to get a replay of Moday's cc call, or a transcription?

[Bulldog75] dwsmittydog : PLEASE GO TO "BULLDOG BULLETIN BOARD" ON THE HOME PAGE.

[willmar1313] Bulldog75 Good Morning sir. I have heard there will be some political arrests, do you know anything about that please ty

[Bulldog75] willmar1313 : I CANNOT SPEAK FOR WF. I BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST. THEY HAVE TO. TY.

[willmar1313] Bulldog75 Good Morning sir. I have heard there will be some political arrests, do you know anything about that please ty

[Bulldog75] willmar1313 : I CANNOT SPEAK FOR WF. I BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST. THEY HAVE TO. TY.

[slydog] Bulldog75 can you play johnny carsons KARNACK and give us the prediction 

[Bulldog75] slydog : ANSWER:........AND THE ANSWER IS........   . TY.

[ourblessing] Bulldog75 This is a terrible crime...... I dont see how they can stop it! I hate to say it but is just seems that maybe we should Hault with the ASN fprcast and just be realistic and say who knows.... Too many people are hanging on to tight to the Asn and losing everything,,, Maybe we just need to back up a bit I am just so worried about all our OOM family

[dtrgolf] Bulldog75 Please explain, is there a difference between the rats and the hackers mentioned in article or are they the same group?

[Bulldog75] dtrgolf ANSWER: THIS INVOLVES,: HACKERS, INFORMANTS, THIEVES, WOLVES, DOUBLE AGENTS.

[granny49] Bulldog75 obviously it takes time to track this type of theft, So this could of

been the hold up all along, for months til they found who was all involved, this is the light at the end of the tunnel and the runway has been cleared, do you agree?

[IshMan] Bulldog75 Has our RV game changed, maybe to an RI and markets setting ultimate rate, though with the same dealer, and same expected returns?

[Bulldog75] IshMan : THE PTB HAS THOUGHT THIS ENTIRE 'SPECULATIVE CURRENCY PLAY' THROUGH AND THROUGH. THE BEST OF THE BEST GUYS ARE SEEKING TO PUT THIS PUPPY TO BED. WE BELIEVE AND DECLARE THIS WILL OCCUR. IT'S INEVITABLE.

[Bulldog75] I MUST GO. WE DO DECLARE THAT GOD HAS THE ANSWER BEFORE WE KNOW THE QUESTION. "GOODNESS AND MERCY WILL PREVAIL".

[Bulldog75] WE AT OOMF ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. WE DO OUR BEST TO BRING THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. I LOVE U ALL. PRAY AND KNOW, THIS 'RV/CURRENCY PLAY' WILL OCCUR IN GOD'S TIME. BLESSINGS. SEE YOU SOON.

[Bulldog75] THANKS TO THE SITE MODERATORS, SAMBO, OKIE AND ALL MEMBERS . YOU ARE WONDERFUL. KNOW THAT WE MUST STAY STRONG DURING ADVERSITY. "PUT ON THE 'FULL ARMOR' OF GOD, SO THAT WHEN THE A BAD DAY COMES, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO STAND YOUR GROUND". ~ EPHESIANS 6:13. IN GOD'S APPOINTED TIME, HE WILL APPOINT YOU TO NEW LEVELS OF VICTORY AND YOU WILL LIVE THAT 'ABUNDANT LIFE' THAT HE HAS PROMISED YOU! AMEN.

[Bulldog75] TODAYS AFFIRMATION: THANK YOU DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER FOR MAKING US STRONG THROUGH ADVERSITY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVING FAITHFULNESS TO US. CONTINUE GIVING US YOUR WISDOM & DISCERNMENT TO MAKE RIGHT DECISIONS TODAY AND ALWAYS. YOUR STRENGTH GIVES US CONTINUED STRENGTH TO STAND STRONG NO MATTER WHAT LIFE BRINGS. WE ARE VICTORIOUS IN MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT FOR YOUR LIGHT AND LOVE PROVIDES US WITH BLESSED ENERGY AND ABUNDANCE NOW. AMEN.

[Bulldog75] benny watereddown AngelHeart DesertRose : SEE BULLDOG BULLETIN BOARD AND THERE IS A FRESH POST FORTHCOMING IN MINUTES THAT WILL BE POSTED IN THE FORUM BY MODS. BLESSINGS. THANKS. (GONE).

ADAM MONTANA CHAT, 27 JUNE

[Adam Montana] it's Wednesday! Time for the weekly update and also a short Q&A session
[Adam Montana] I'll also be sending a VIP email a little later today
[Adam Montana] So, this week in Dinar we see... No booting of Maliki, not much talk about Chapter 7, but a LOT of discussion about the "deleting the zeros"
[Adam Montana] let's get one thing straight right away.
[Adam Montana] NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, at some point the 0's are going to come off. This is true whether they l op, redenominate, revalue, or anything else.
[Adam Montana] what the CBI is telling us is that when they change the money, they are going to issue new notes with less 0's. That is ALL. They aren't going to announce to the world that they are going to increase the value by X because that would lead to a massive run on the dinar with people buying it, and they won't tell us if they are going to DECREASE the value either because that would lead to a massive DUMP of dinar!
[Adam Montana] so you have to take these "delete the 0's" articles with a grain of salt. "Yeah, yeah... that old article again. Big deal."
[Adam Montana] the one thing that remains constant in this speculation is that they CONTINUALLY talk about increasing the value. They never talk about the value going down - only going up. When the value goes up, we make money... so unless you have reason to think the value is going to go DOWN, there's no need to worry about anything - just chill out and wait for the day we get to cash in
[Adam Montana] the only other item that I found newsworthy was a NINA report that came out yesterday. The Council of Ministers approved a bill just yesterday (June 26) to delay the implementation of the tariff law (quote) "until the appropriate conditions allow its application"
[Adam Montana] What does this mean? It means exactly what I've been saying for the last couple months when the tariff issue is brought up. There is no use in implementing a tariff on poor people. Until the financial situation improves, the tariff issue is dead.
[Adam Montana] Obviously an RV would improve the financial situation!
[Adam Montana] Here's what I think: if they had planned to be ready to raise the value of the dinar by the end of June, then a tariff made sense. Since there were so many delays in the HCL/Erbil issues, they are now postponing it. We do have some more good news on the HCL - it is rumored that they may be making some significant progress on it. I'll leave the links to some relevant articles on my blog site http://dinarspeculation.com
[Adam Montana] So that's the weekly update. No RV yet, no talk of Chapter 7 this week, but it looks like the HCL is getting closer and that is a GOOD thing. It's looking more and more like the HCL is the key to moving forward, so that's what I'm keeping an eye on.
[Adam Montana] ok, let's do the questions! kcw... shoot! 

[kcw] dgibbs20 Hello Adam I appreciate your taking time to answer all of our redundant questions... I have been off the dinar grid for a while now. I got tired of the rollercoaster. I kept my dinar but I just wouldn't read the forums, though I did read your last chat. By no means am I a lopster, but when you say that the two currencies will exist simultaneously for a year, is that not an bunny-ear? And if so, do you think we are still participating in a good investment? Thanks... 
[Adam Montana] no, it's not necessarily a l op. It just means that whatever they decide to do, the two currencies will co-exist for a year. Nothing more, nothing less
[Adam Montana] next please! 

[kcw] skitealwedrop Actually, I think that Adam should take the week off from chat. Allow a member to the answer our questions of the week. Some members appear to know more than others. Let's pic their brains. I vote for KK aka Carello. I think she's up for it. What are your thoughts DV peeps. Thanks for the peace sign emoticon AM! Go RV! 
[Adam Montana] You are welcome for the peace sign :peace: , and I love the idea! I'll say a little more about it at the end of this chat, thanks for the comment
[Adam Montana] next please!
 
[kcw] Candy01 Adam, IF, by some miracle, the HCL is passed and the last ministers are finally seated withing the next few weeks, can Chapter 7 be released right after this? Thanks so much for all you do! 
[Adam Montana] Absolutely yes. There is nothing to stop that from happening.
[Adam Montana] In fact, I think that's why we're not hearing so much lately about Chapter 7. Iraq has complied in every way they need to, and getting them out of Chapter 7 is going to be a rubber-stamp deal. The important issues are now Erbil and HCL. The rest is just noise and fluff.
[Adam Montana] Good question. Next please!
 
[kcw] oatman_230 Adam..... Would it not be beneficial for *us to have .... correctly translated article(s)* from an "Adam" approved translator... 
[Adam Montana] It definitely would, but the cost isn't justified. When I find an article that I want translated, I send it to one of my 3 translators and pay about $15 to $20 per article. It would literally cost about $500 per day to have all of these articles translated on this site, and that wouldn't get us any closer to the RV.
[Adam Montana] If you want to pay for the service, let me know and I'll make it happen :lol:
[Adam Montana] next please!
 
[kcw] pocono Adam, If memory serves,a few weeks ago you replied to a question regarding Keep by stating something to the effect that while you don't always agree with him you considered him a valuable member as many of us do.. I suspect you're aware of the endless,mindless bashing he's subjected to for simply stating his opinion...you might recall that TexasGranny,in the interest of justice and to her credit, had to intercede last week to try and put an end to it.... My question is can you restore Keep to 'GOOD' member status and eliminate all the unwarranted negs or better still do away with the plus/minus system as it's inherently LOPsided... 
[Adam Montana] Although I tend to disagree with about half of what Keep says, the one thing that is important is the fact that he is always respectful of others and the staff here.
[Adam Montana] That was the last one, thanks for tuning in everyone! You know... sometimes the "old timers" around here get flustered with the redundant questions every week. I think everyone needs to remember that at one time, we were all new to this Dinar thing. I will keep doing these weekly chats, and I'll keep answering the same questions week after week, because if there wasn't someone here to give straight answers, those new people would only have rumors and lies to read.
[Adam Montana] So... until this thing busts or booms, I'm going to keep doing these chats. Thanks for making this the best site on the internet, all of you!


Just a little after official chat, chat :lol:

[edbeach] Adam Montana From what I understood the Tariffs needed parliament approval to delay them Is this not correct Didn't see anything from parliament about that only ministers statement ?
[VIZIOIRAQI] edbeach good question
[Adam Montana] edbeach that's my understanding as well
[Adam Montana] look at it this way... if they can't RV right away, it's easier to kick the tariff can down the road than to pass it
[Adam Montana] and without the HCL, there will be no RV
[edbeach] Adam Montana ok guess we wait & see hope not delayed by parliament
[Adam Montana] so it's not likely they will get it done July 1 
[VIZIOIRAQI] HCL will inact Tariff then right 
[VIZIOIRAQI] hand in hand kinda
[Adam Montana] VIZIOIRAQI HCL, then Chapter 7, then RV, then tariff
[VIZIOIRAQI] ty 

TERRYK CHAT, 27 JUNE


[TERRYK] SO I HAVE SOME JUICE \ THEN I HAVE TO RUN
[Agent 007]    spill da beans
[TERRYK] I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIRD FROM A BIG BANK
[TERRYK] AND I HAD A SHORT CALL THIS MORNING
 [TERRYK] I DID NOT WANT TO PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE AS IM GETTING TIRED OF OH NO NOT AGAIN COMMENTS
[TERRYK] BUT TREAT THIS AS RUMOR AS ALWAYS
[TERRYK] THURSDAY NIGHT IS SWEET

MANY CONTRIES I HEARD +30 ARE READY TO BE RE VALUED

[TERRYK] ALSO IF
[TERRYK] AND I SAY IF
[TERRYK] THIS DOES NOT POP IN THE NEXT WEEK
[TERRYK] VDN WILL   
[TERRYK] AND THIS IS COMING FROM MY BANKER IN NAM
[TERRYK] RATE WILL BE HIGH
[TERRYK] OVER .50     
[TERRYK] FOR THE DONG

NOW THE DINAR I HEARD TODAY WAS AGAIN OVER IN DOUBLE DIGITS      

[TERRYK] BUT I WOULD NOT EXPECT MORE THAN 8.16

[TERRYK] AND IM STICKING TO THAT BUT TREAT THAT AS RUMOR
 
[Colonel1004]    Were you ever in Nam???????
[TERRYK] NO
[TERRYK] I WAS NOT COLONEL

 WELL I HAVE BEEN THERE
[TERRYK] BUT NOT SERVED
[TERRYK] I HAVE FAMILY THAT HAS SERVED
[TERRYK] SORRY TO SAY I HAVE NOT
[Colonel1004]    Thank you for your honesty.
[TONI1960]     
[TERRYK] COLONEL SOME CALL ME A LIAR
[TERRYK] BUT IM HERE AND SHARE WHAT I GET
[TERRYK] AS I GET IT
[TERRYK] ALWAYS HAVE
[TERRYK] I HAVE NO REASON TO SPREAD LIES, THIS IS A FREE SITE
[TERRYK] LIKE OUR CALLS
[TERRYK] SOME SAY NO WAY CAN YOU HAVE THAT MANY ON THE CALLS
[TERRYK] AND I REPORT
[Colonel1004]    I have followed you for a long time. Never have I called you a liar. Just so we are on the same page. All I ever asked.
[TERRYK] BUT WHAT I GET ARE EMAILS OF WHO IS BRIDGING AND HOW MANY THEY HAVE ON THE LINES
[TERRYK] AND THAT EMAIL LIST GROWS WEEKLY
[TERRYK] I DONT ASK THEM TO PROVE TO ME
[TERRYK] WHO AND HOW MANY
[TERRYK] I TRUST THEM AS THEY REPORT TO ME......
[TERRYK] THE NUMBERS HAVE NO MERIT OR VALUE I JUST SHARE INFO
[TERRYK] IN FACT AL OUR SITE IS WORTH CURRENTLY WHAT
[TERRYK] ACCORDING TO A 3RD PARTY
[amadden] $657,000.00
[TERRYK] BASED OFF OF MEMBERS
[TERRYK] AND VOLUME
[TERRYK] SO WHERE I WILL MAKE MONEY IS WHEN I SELL THE SITE IF I EVER DO AND DONATE ALL THE PROCEEDS TO TCB CARING HANDS
[TERRYK] PERIOD     
[TERRYK] TO THE VETS
[TERRYK] THATS RIGHT AL
[TERRYK] SLOW THJ
[TERRYK] WE HAVE ABOUT 480 MILLION RIGHT NOW PLEDGED
[TERRYK] BUT NOTHING REALLY NEW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS
[TERRYK] YEA WE LOST A BIT MONTHS AGO   

[TERRYK] HEY TEAM I GOTTA RUN, MAYBE I WILL BE BACK IN A FEW WANNA TRY TO GET A MASSAGE YET TONIGHT
[TERRYK] GOD BLESS YOU ALL

CHATTER IN DINARLAND, 27 JUNE

06/27/2012

  [blessedbeyondmeasure] Don't give up on your dreams. It maybe difficult, but remember, there is a reward for staying in faith. God promises you breakthrough is on it's way. Joel Osteen

[Angel] Remaining positive to me is VERY important, for many, their eyes glaze over when their attention is drawn to references about positive thinking in relation to wealth and money creation, but the bottom line and well acknowledged truth is that if you think negatively you will attract negativity, and if you think positively you will attract success.

[Dreamer] Angel good post. hopefully the PTB that are controlling this RV are positive.

[JimmySmack] RapidRoyP Will the irs be making new rulings to tax an event that has never been taxed before? I thought congress did that?

[RapidRoyP] Personally I will be setting aside 40% of the funds, pending an official ruling from the IRS of the tax rate. Honestly, do we really think the gov't is going to let this many dollars slip through w/o taxes

[chillimac] RapidRoyP yes very good idea, i will set at least 35% a side, just in case

[RapidRoyP] JimmySmack the IRS does not make new law, they only write regulations related to existing taxes. This could be considered capital gains / loses or ordinary income

Imperium] The news coming out of Iraq is not supportive of what we're hearing in here. Iraqi news keeps going in circles.

[Major] Iraqi news media is absolutely worthless! They have no credibility. Reliance on their news media is a big mistake. IMO

williamB] the preparations of the central bank to implement the project................ under way but it is not incomplete until now. “

 [williamB] their  number 2 saying ready to go

[williamB] just my opinion but i think worrying over nothing

[Sparkles] So when they say "is not incomplete" does that mean is complete

[williamB] until now

[williamB] it's done

[williamB] this is the second article saying this

[Imperium] williamB do you think this will happen anytime soon?

[hopeful2&2] we r closer than we have ever been sooner

[williamB] yes

[hopeful2&2] we r sooner than we've ever been close

[hopeful2&2] lol

[williamB] hopeful2&2 not using that word lol

[Sparkles] hopeful2&2 lol

[Sparkles] so not incomplete is complete geesh

[hopeful2&2] Sparkles maybe

williamB] it was always incomplete as we were waitng for the legislature from parliment

[hopeful2&2] they can't get nuttin done because they don't understan what they r saying

[Sparkles] Going around in circles

[williamB] now they are ready heck shabbs even said it

[hopeful2&2] everyone has signed off 20 times

[williamB] and he suposrts the tariffs just before he took off to Switzerland

[milndollarbabe] h-spot right

[BGG] Sadr isn't backing off the "no confidence" issue. Just that he won't be directly involved in the interrogation of Maliki. He has plainly promised - if they get 124 votes - his 40 votes are with them (and against Maliki). My bet is Hakim - same, same...

[h-spot] BGG hakim for what

[mammat] BGG hmmmm TY

[h-spot] interim pm?

[BGG] Maliki's goons keep putting out that the NC vote is going no where - which is just not true. His goose is cooked as of right now.

 [milndollarbabe] OfCourse13 lol......i always wondered why the US kept him around when he used to cause soooooo much trouble....maybe they knew they might need him in the future to keep maliki's butt in tow   

 [BGG] He's had chance after chance after chance after chance after chance after chance and the point is - he doesn't want democracy. He wants to be a dictator.

[OfCourse13] BGG Are we waiting for Talabani to get back?

 [OfCourse13] I read yesterday it could be 2-3 weeks before Talabani is back in Iraq.

[mammat] OfCourse13 Talabani handed his letter to Najaafi....do we need him for this to be completed? His health is failing so quickly...

mammat] milndollarbabe OfCourse13 Not thinking it's elective surgery....his son quit his post in the US and came home to be by his father's side....I think it is very serious.

[milndollarbabe] mammat possibly..... just strange timing to me

 [mammat] Some think his son came home for political reasons, others believe Talabani is nearing the end ofhis life

 [mammat] BGG Do we need Talabani in Iraq to complete the process?

[milndollarbabe] if hes nearing the end of his life....seems he would be compelled to "do the right thing" rather than play the bribery/political game ....just sayin   

[mammat] Or he needed money for treatments to save his life?

[milndollarbabe] who knows with these peeps

 [milndollarbabe] gosh i think they are all super wealthy...theyve had years to steal   

 [milndollarbabe] its just very sad that so much money and lives have been spent to give them democracy and a better life and their own people are keeping that from happening and are intently corrupt.....shame shame shame

[lizardlips] milndollarbabe , unfortunately he Iraqi's have known nothing else except dictatorship and corruption. Very hard to change a culture.

[milndollarbabe] lizardlips thats very true unfortunately

[lizardlips] milndollarbabe, yuppers, the unfortunate side affect is that the wheels of the GOI are moving at a snails pace and are having a difficult time grasping how things should work... after all they read backwards compared to us reading the english language...   

[ [lizardlips] milndollarbabe , now if they could see that Erbil in it's power sharing as a true need then PM Maliki would then be neutralized whereby it seems he has more power than the two Presidents of the country... Talibani and Barzani...

[milndollarbabe] lizardlips problem is...hes not willing to put himself in the position where he relenquishes power.....whoever set this deal up to where he had to activate it himself was an idiot......there is nooooooo incentive for him to want it to happen.....which is why we are where we are right now....

[lizardlips] milndollarbabe , very true... PM Maliki is wagging the dog by the tail and everyone is at a loss as to how to stop the flea infestation as well. Sadr, Alwai, Barzani and Najif really need to push Talibani to see the light... and throw a box of shoes at Maliki..

MAILMAN POST, 27 JUNE

6-27-2012 Mailman17: THE UN AND THE US IS WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY. THEY WILL STEP IN IF NEEDED CAUSE NOW MALIKI IS A THREAT BUT THEY WILL ALLOW THIS TO GO ON THE DEMOCRATIC WAY TILL ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THEY ARE STILL UNDER CHAP 7 AND IF MALIKI POSES A THREAT HE WILL BE DEALT WITH, BIDEN IMO TOLD THEM YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO BY THE CONSTITUTION. FOR THE DINAR TO HIT THE MAINSTREAM TO BE A GLOBAL CURRENCY THE GRAFT HAS TO BE CURTAILED TO A MINIMAL LEVEL.

JONNY CHAT, 27 JUNE


[.jonnywg] hi all i hope you are not wait ing to rv for me

[soonerfan62] .jonnywg GE MY FRIEND, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL

.jonnywg] just a short update

[.jonnywg] i am blessed to have great doctors and have been involved in an extended program.............. to complicate had som other issues that needed daily monitoring

[.jonnywg] BELLA GRITS HAS BEEN TAKING THE MAJORITY OF MY CALLS AND WAS A BIT OVERWHELMED AS SHE HAD HER PLATTE FULL ALREADY .............. SHE TOOK A FEW DAYS OFF

[.jonnywg] EYES ARE STARTING TO BE UNDER CONTROLL

[soonerfan62] JONNY MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU?

 [.jonnywg] soonerfan62 I AM REALLY GETTING BETTER

 [soonerfan62] .jonnywg GOOD TO HEAR BUDD

[RdRiver] Straight up question: Where is the RV?????

 [.jonnywg] RdRiver RV IS AWAITING RELEASE
[djoni] .jonnywg hows the healt otherwise and are you back to taking calls?

 [.jonnywg] djoni YES

[MTDinar] .jonnywg i am glad to hear you are doing better. This is the first time i have had to chat with you so i apoligize if you don't cover my topic...Do you think this currency exchange will really change the way we do busness across the world and it will happen this soon?

[.jonnywg] MTDinar YES THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO FEEL THAT THIS IS A TRUE GLOBAL RESET

 [wenmar] .jonnywg Have the bank screens been changing?

[.jonnywg] wenmar YES THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY...... ON THE VND TODAY

[sln1987] .jonnywg are we just stupid if we think this should be done by month end?

[.jonnywg] sln1987 THAT APPEARS TO BE THE DEAD DATE

 [pmw1973] .jonnywg there was a thought today..could iqd replace usd as world goto currency?

[justbelieve7] .jonnywg You thought if this went into June it wouldn't go past the 10th. Do you think it will now go into July?

 [ [keiji] .jonnywg you think our misery will end this week?

[.jonnywg] keiji I HOPE FOR US ALL

[olesailor] .jonnywg I don't understand your response to sin1987 can you elaborate

[.jonnywg] olesailor JUNE 30

 [wisegrysqrl1] .jonnywg could you explain what you mean by DEAD Date please?

[.jonnywg] wisegrysqrl1 A LOT WILL HAPPEN AFTER JUNE 30........... AND THE RV WAS SUPPOSEDLY GIVEN AN EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS APRIK 1ST .... NOT VERIFIED

 [[dinofan] .jonnywg are you under a gag order like most other itel folks...or are they self imposed?

[.jonnywg] dinofan GAGGED SINCE APRIL

 [TotallyBlessed] .jonnywg hi there hope you and your eyes are much better, you have been missed!! IYO is this all completed just awaiting a release? And IYO do you believe this could go till September? Thank you so much and here is a get well HUg!!!

[.jonnywg] TotallyBlessed ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THIS STORY

[BLPastor] .jonnywg Can we be assured Iraq is not holding this up. So much negative news posted out of Iraq. Hard to understand what the delay is.

[showmethemoney] .jonnywg this enoughto make me want to gag.....LOL

 [.jonnywg] showmethemoney ME TOO

[Gabby1] .jonnywg if for some reason it doesn't go by the end of this month, do you think it will be pushed to Dec like some think?

.jonnywg] Gabby1 POSSIBLE BUT NO REASON TO DO SO

 [.jonnywg] woodguy 6250 NO DELAY NO HOLDUP NO RV........................ A HIDDEN MYSTERY

[bamatom] .jonnywg Will you share the possible time frames for exchanging at the high rate please?

 [.jonnywg] bamatom AT THIS TIME THE HIGH RATE CHANGES WITH THE WIND............. BE THANKFUL FOR THE RV

[jjmyles] .jonnywg Do we need to hire the Mystery Machine to solve this elusive RV?

[.jonnywg] .jonnywg YESjjmyles

 [.jonnywg] sambeaux SUPPOSEDLY SHORTLY AFTER RV

 [bamatom] .jonnywg Thanks I was wondering how many days we will have to exchange at the high tate

[.jonnywg] bamatom NOT KNOWN

 [mountainman] jonnywg is it possible that Iraq has a hidden RV and we are just waiting for Global alignment? Thank You

[.jonnywg] mountainman NO HIDDEN RV

 [justaguy] .jonnywg Anything interesting on the bank screens?

 [djoni] .jonnywg is this currency exchange only or is it taxable?

[.jonnywg] djoni djoni CHECK WITH TAX EXPERT

 [LivingInGodsCountry] How can Iraq gain by thier stalling the R/V ?

.jonnywg] LivingInGodsCountry OUT OF IRAQ'S HANDS

[.jonnywg] DIFFERENT QUESTION ........TERMS OF RV ARE NOT RELEASED ........... BUT THE EVENT HAPPENED 2 WEEKS AGO THIS THURSDAY

[BLPastor] It seems that Iraq should be irate that this hasn't RV'd yet!

 [.jonnywg] BLPastor AGREED

 [loumat] .jonnywg Everyone needs this to happen. Would it be safe to assume that the holdups are logistical and related to system alignment and coordination?

[.jonnywg] loumat YES AND GREED

 [jjmyles] .jonnywg I am getting real tired of the PTB's controlling everything we do and say or let be said. I feel like the good ole USA is becoming not what it was and should be. You running for President soon?

[.jonnywg] jjmyles WELL THERE MAY BE CHANGES COMING

 [Hebrews11:1] Jonnywg hi Just wanted to tell you I am praying for your total recovery, and hope you will continue to get the rest you need for complete healing.

 [djoni] .jonnywg any truth for rate being higher each day that passes?

[.jonnywg] Hebrews11:1 HI AND THANKS

[SarahsPromise] .jonnywg If it happened 2 weeks ago, and we lost reserves during that time, do you think that legally they will have to go back and honor those?

 [.jonnywg] SarahsPromise ASK A LAWYER....... AND GET PROOF

[MTDinar] .jonnywg comments on the smart cards? are they out, being tested, do they factor in... lol sorry so many questions...

 [.jonnywg] MTDinar NOT A FACTOR TO RV .......... BUT TO IRAQ ECONOMY

[Cyndee49] .jonnywg If no one can tell us date or rate, can you answer what problems is IRAQ facing from this delay of the Revaluation?

[MTDinar] .jonnywg excellent. Thank you!

[ready4bank] 1lucky1 bluwolf said April 8

 [footforward] 1lucky1 i have no idea where that date came from but i never said sept 28th. ive said iraq did all they need to do that the rv is totally ready to go and is basicly done with the exception of us seeing it and the battel for control to be settled

[.jonnywg] 1lucky1 YOU ARE CORRECT.............. IT IS FELT BY MAY OF US IT COMPLETED SEVERAL TIMES

 [.jonnywg] OK I WILL COME BACK TOMORROW AND TRY TO HELP AGAIN