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Wednesday, May 16, 2012

BEAR POST, 17 MAY

BEAR5642:  I HAVE REFRAINED FROM SPECIFICS SUCH AS BANK NAMES AND IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS DATES AND RATE. I DO NOT GIVE A FLIP ABOUT BEING FIRST. I ONLY CARE ABOUT FACTS, TRUTH AND INTEGRITY. INFORMATION JUST RELEASED,  HAS CAUSED SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND GRIEF FOR MANY PEOPLE. 

YOU CAN BAN ME, KICK ME, WHATEVER, I HAVE UNLIMITED WAYS OF GETTING MY INFORMATION AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO PUT OUT SAID INFORMATION. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS PERIOD. THERE COMES A POINT WHEN COMMON SENSE NEEDS TO KICK IN. PLEASE LET'S BACK UP AND SLOW DOWN. DO NOT RELEASE SPECIFIC BANKS, INFORMATION ABOUT DATES OR ANYTHING ELSE. 

I AM ONLY HERE FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL AND I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE A GURU. GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND I’M SURE THIS WILL NOT BE REPOSTED ON DINAR RECAPS BUT THAT'S OK I KNOW THIS WILL TRAVEL.

 BEAR5642 OUT

ntcmktg to fox365:  At least we can count on Okie being a true messenger of what he gets. The others just keep giving us the same ole doctored up 'Merry Go Round' BS.

BEAR5642:  I WOULD DEEPLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU JUST SAID ntcmktg

BEAR5642:  THIS HAS CAUSED SERIOUS PROBLEMS

BEAR5642:  I WILL CALL SAMBO MYSELF AND EXPLAIN I HAVE FRIENDS AT WELL

cakelady to BEAR5642:  what kind of problems

BEAR5642:  WELLS FARGO AND THEY ARE NOT HAPPY.   SOME THINGS  NEED NOT BE SAID

BEAR5642:  GOOD BYE)

BELLAGRITS CHAT, 16 MAY

11:31 PM [BellaGrits] twhite0772 I love  to stop by......sorry I wasn't sooner--been a very very long day..... things are looking really good....as you know, we re attempting to be evasive....so, I won't detail anything.....the banks are ready.....and the peeps are ready..... that's what matters most, right? 

Looking forward to you all to finally run through the finishline...and know we did it together....this has to make you realize you are tougher than you ever knew....and I imagine your patience has been tested as well....just as mine.

 I know this, I appreciate you all .... I truly don't know how you have shown so much character when the info coming out is so little.....thank you for your trust.

1:34 PM [justaguy] BellaGrits You are a class act!

11:34 PM [BellaGrits] mountaingirl thank you for that.....patience has really been hard for me all my life...you can rest assured, it's been tested....I know you guys are tired and ready for your blessing....I promise the intel peeps are as well. You HUG a MOD tonight...they work so hard....

There may be more added  to Bella's post  - check back 

ARIZONAHEAT POST, 16 MAY

05/16/2012  ArizonaHeat] Hello everyone wanted to try and give my opinion on the latest information coming out of Iraq. What information we do get out of Iraq is suspect at best. We have been given articles from Haitham Jubouri before and they have never lined up to be factual, one at the beginning of the year claiming the removal of the three zeros at that time, an article from Shabibi stating that the new currency would run together with the old starting SEPTEMBER 2012.

[ArizonaHeat We have heard dozens of articles claiming that the rise of the Dinar against the dollar was to be in DAYS. In fact just a week ago there was an article from the finance committee in Iraq that the rise of the dinar would be in a couple of months.

What I find very interesting about this latest article (that has everyone up in arms), is the one claiming to print the new currency and drop the zeros at the beginning of 2013. That’s funny, as that is the exact same article that came out about this time last year with 2011 and 2012 dates... That the new currency would be coming out September of 2011 and the dropping of the zeros at the first part of 2012.

 [ArizonaHeat]I find it odd that some Intel providers who have claimed to never believe anything coming out of Iraq have just latched on to this piece of intel or article and ran with it. The information coming out of Iraq is very well thought out. There is an agenda for every piece of information they let out to the public.

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 16 MAY

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Doc   The second fact is all of chapter 7 is not lifted.  Again numerous articles inside Iraq and inside Kuwait talk about what is being done to resolve this.  We need this to happen mainly to get the dinar into article 8 status which in essence will allow it to be international recognized and tradeable.  Again the good news here is that the UNSC meets in mid June and we fully expect chapter 7 to be lifted.  Icing on the cake would be if the GOI issues were also resolved going into the UNSC meeting.    ["continued in post 3...stay tuned"]

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Adam Montana   I'm standing firm in my stance that until we have a resolution of the HCL or/and Chapter 7, we aren't going to see the RV. Of course, they could all happen simultaneously.

5-16-2012  Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man   TODAY TAKES US 1 STEP CLOSER TO REALIZING OUR BLESSING. INFORMATION IN TODAY HAS BEEN MORE THAN POSITIVE AND OPTIMISM IS RUNNING HIGHMANY ISSUES HAS BEEN SOLVED TODAY RELATING TO THE BLESSING. WE SIMPLY WAIT FOR THE RATE'S TO APPEAR AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACES.  I LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE AND HAVE ONLY HAD 2 ROCK'S THROWN AT ME TODAY.----MUCH IMPROVED FROM THE ANGRY CROWD YESTERDAY. 

5-16-2012  Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3   they are organizing a major protest in Iraq against the GOI and non performance. This is going to apply tremendous pressures on all their elected officials and should be in our favor big time.  Tomorrow is deadline day for the fab five and Maliki. One or the other have to make a move. Either he makes moves to stay or they make the move that he is gone. Either way we get some solid details of the next chapter of the dinar delemma ??   Time will tell and time is now on our side.  ["continued in post 2...stay tuned"]

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Med   IF THEY KICK MALIKI'S *** OUT AND I MEAN OUT,  SHABIBI HAS A FREE RIDE AND FREE REIGN AND HIS HANDS ARE NOT TIED LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE UNBELIEVABLE GARBAGE GOING ON BUT THINGS REALLY LOOK GREAT.   NOW DONT BE SURPRISED...THINGS COULD GET REALLY UGLY AND DEADLY TO THE POINT  THAT US OR UN HAS TO GO BACK IN AND UNDER CHAPTER VII...IF MALIKI HAD A COUP THEN ALL IS OVER AS FAR AS CHAPTER VII,  ...NO ONE WILL ENTER IRAQ TO INVEST MONEY.

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Doc  First and foremost the RV will not happen until the current political situation is resolved.  Shabibi, the IMF, the IG and members of Parliament have all said this numerous times.  The good news here is that it looks like this will come to a head one way or another by mid June.  This is based on numerous news releases quoting Talabani and others.  We are hopeful that either Maliki relents or the new interm PM honors Ebril and fully seats the GOI rapidly since we believe these issues must be resolved before any RV becomes reality.  ["continued in post 2...stay tuned"]

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru SWFloridaGuy  Our best shot at having a good understanding of the political process and how it may relate to this investment, is by taking the time to do our own research and formulate our own opinion as to where we stand. None of us have all the answers and we've all been wrong in the past but with such a large group working together, researching, utilizing our collective contacts...even when opinions may differ...we can have a much better understanding as to where we stand. Which after all, is the goal.

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Bondlady   appears to me shabs saying...hurry up...were runnin outta time here...get it together before its to late...so many red line things set to take place in the “comming phase”...well news flash the commin phase is at there doors, resolve the issues quickly and stop all the procrastinating parl an goi do...its screwin up all shabs plans for iraqs growth and comming out party.

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru SWFloridaGuy   The only way we can educate ourselves is by reading articles. Whether it's to research currency reform, IMF/World Bank reports, the study of macroeconomic analysis, confirming which laws have been passed and read into the gazette, reviewing statements from the CBI, GOI, Finance Committee or just some random economist stating his opinion.Like with all information we receive, we must consider the source and use our best judgement as to the author's credibility but lets not make blanket, naive statements, like we should avoid all of the previously mentioned and simply trust in the rumors.  ["continued in post 2...stay tuned"]

5-16-2012  Intel Guru Footforward    UNTIL THE RATE GOES LIVE EVERYWHERE, AND IS LOCKED IN AT THE SAME RATE, AND WE ARE TOLD TO CASH IN, ALL RATES ON BANK SCREENS ARE TESTS. PERIOD.  THERE IS LIVE TESTING GOING ON, BUT AT THIS POINT NO ONE HAS "THE RATE".  THERE IS A RATE OF 17.08 SHOWING ON SOME SCREENS, BUT UNTIL WE ARE TOLD OTHERWISE THESE ARE TEST RATES.  THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES LAST WEEK. SHOULD HAVE GONE LAST NIGHT.  I DONT THINK ANYONE CAN SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY WHY THIS HASNT GONE...IM LOOKING HOUR TO HOUR.

5-16-2012  Intel Guru Jonnywg   THERE ARE CERTAIN CONFIDENTIAL OR DAMAGING THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED...THE RV HAS BEEN ALIVE FOR MONTHS BUT NOT RELEASED...RATES CHANGE WITH GOLD/STOCKS/OIL/ USD...TESTING HAS GONE ON FOR WEEKS NOW... ERBIL IS DONE BUT MUST BE ANNOUNCED...WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION STILL...TECH ISSUES ALMOST RESOLVED...WE ARE CLOSE...We all hope it is done...But I do feel that it may take another day...thursday is the day following the resolving of other undisclosed issues.

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru ArizonaHeat  [erbil implemented] is one of the requirments to release the RV per Shabibi...im not sure if its the final requirement but we will see very soon. it is to be implimented by a majority out of iraq, that means with or without Maliki.  you would think that there would be some type of guidlines as far as a RV is concerned. I do know that this situation has broken just about every single rule there is in reference to the political and financial system.  what seems like forever to us is a blink of an eye for all parties...you will get an rv.

5-16-2012  Newshound Guru Bondlady   much depends on these tarriff taxes...big businesses want to know about these things before they will venture in to invest, what there taxes would be or what tax bracket they would fit in before they committed to long term investments in iraq...without these taxes, say bye bye to the WTO...Of most direct relevance to the WTO is whetherforeign exchange is freely available in payment for current account transactions, as exporters need to know how they will be paid. Iraq must have a CONVERTIBLE CURRENCY...the investors and iraqs buissness men will support the private sector hence giving shabibi what he said he would need to happen to bring value to the iqd...shabs got a lot to do an a short time to do it imo as tarriffs are set to begin july 1st 2012.

HAMMERMAN POST, 16 MAY

5-16-2012 Hammerman: Two more oil companies are coming into Iraq.  One of them has grown a lot in the Gulf of Mexico.   This company said they won't go until Iraq has a stable currency.  I was told to be watching for the RV.  The window I heard was from Thursday night into next Tuesday but that's not definite.  I did check into the TV stuff with Maliki.  He was on TV and did talk about the RV but I can't get a true definition about how deep he went into it.  He said they wanted to double or triple oil exploration.  Could the RV happen at any moment, yes it could.

TERRYK CHAT, 16 MAY

[TERRYK] HELLO ALL 
[TERRYK] WHAT'S GOING ON
[TERRYK] MY EARS WERE BURNING
[bjj (Barb)]TerryK, hey there!! Sorry, I am guilty...    
[TERRYK] HOLD ON
[TERRYK] BACK
[TERRYK] OK WHAT'S GOING ON
[TERRYK] HOPING YOU ALL TOLD ME I MISSED THE RV
[tina] you did.. Dee has it and she is telling everyone it is a scam so we will give her all the dinars
[bjj (Barb)]TerryK , not much, I was just explaining to a doubting Thomas that the Kuwait was real and I know the dinar is also real.
[waynoiam] so we got more info yesterday that didn't come to be
[bjj (Barb)] I told them you got in on the Kuwait deal so I know it was real.
[TERRYK] I'M EXHAUSTED
[TERRYK] YEA BJJ I MADE ABOUT 180K FROM THE KUIWAIT DEAL
[TERRYK] NOT A LOT
[TERRYK] BUT IT WAS AT THAT TIME
[TERRYK] I WAS NOT IN IT FOR MUCH
[TERRYK] DOUBTED IT
[TERRYK] LIKE THEY DO NOW
[bjj (Barb)]TerryK , and didn't you say the rate had dropped before you cashed in?
[TERRYK] BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR DINAR I WILL BUY IT
[TERRYK] YES IT DID
[TERRYK] I'M EXHAUSTED
[TERRYK] YEA BJJ I MADE ABOUT 180K FROM THE KUIWAIT DEAL
[TERRYK] NOT ALOT
[TERRYK] BUT IT WAS AT THAT TIME
[waynoiam] Im stuck with you guys... banned again from all other chats
[Dee1031]    good to hear that
[TERRYK] I WAS NOT IN IT FOR MUCH
[TERRYK] DOUBTED IT
[tina] waynoiam waynoiam    you are stuck...    
[TERRYK] LIKE THEY DO NOW
[waynoiam] tell me about it
[Dee1031]    how long did you wait?
[bjj (Barb)]    , and didn't you say the rate had dropped before you cashed in?
[TERRYK] BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR DINAR I WILL BUY IT
[tina] you don't really have to be here... you are not really stuck    
[TERRYK] YES IT DID
[waynoiam] $1 a dinar?
[TERRYK] IM EXHAUSTED
[Dee1031] Well sorry but I do
[TERRYK] YEA BJJ I MADE ABOUT 180K FROM THE KUIWAIT DEAL
[TERRYK] NOT ALOT
[TERRYK] BUT IT WAS AT THAT TIME
[waynoiam] Im stuck with you guys... banned again from all other chats
[Dee1031]    good to hear that
[TERRYK] I WAS NOT IN IT FOR MUCH
[TERRYK] DOUBTED IT
[tina] waynoiam waynoiam    you are stuck...    
[TERRYK] LIKE THEY DO NOW
[waynoiam] tell me about it
[Dee1031]    how long did you wait?
[bjj (Barb)]    , and didn't you say the rate had dropped before you cashed in?
[TERRYK] BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR DINAR I WILL BUY IT
[tina] you don't really have to be here... you are not really stuck    
[TERRYK] YES IT DID
[waynoiam] $1 a dinar?
[TERRYK] IM EXHAUSTED
[Dee1031] Well sorry but I do
[TERRYK] YEA BJJ I MADE ABOUT 180K FROM THE KUIWAIT DEAL
[TERRYK] NOT ALOT
[TERRYK] BUT IT WAS AT THAT TIME
[waynoiam] Im stuck with you guys... banned again from all other chats
[Dee1031]    good to hear that
[TERRYK] I WAS NOT IN IT FOR MUCH
[TERRYK] DOUBTED IT
[tina] waynoiam waynoiam    you are stuck...    
[TERRYK] LIKE THEY DO NOW
[waynoiam] tell me about it

[bjj (Barb)]TerryK, and didn't you say the rate had dropped before you cashed in?
[TERRYK] BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR DINAR I WILL BUY IT
[tina] you don't really have to be here... you are not really stuck    
[TERRYK] YES IT DID
[waynoiam] $1 a dinar?
[TERRYK] I DONT THINK SO WAYNOIM
[TERRYK] NICE TRY
[TERRYK] OK ALL I GOTTA RUN 
[TERRYK] GOD BLESS

OKIEOILMAN POST UPDATE, 16 MAY

5/16/12 ~[15:46:34]  OKIEOILMAN:      

GOOD AFTERNOON AMERICA, SHIPS AT SEA AND ALL OUR WORLD WIDE FRIENDS. TODAY TAKES US 1 STEP CLOSER TO REALIZING OUR BLESSING. INFORMATION IN TODAY HAS BEEN MORE THAN POSITIVE AND OPTIMISM IS RUNNING HIGH. MANY ISSUES HAS BEEN SOLVED TODAY RELATING TO THE BLESSING. WE SIMPLY WAIT FOR THE RATE'S TO APPEAR AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACES. I FEEL MUCH BETTER TODAY SINCE THE KING'S AND QUEEN'S HAS DEPLETED THEIR VENOM ON ME--I AM IN A VERY SWEET SPOT CURRENTLY. I LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE AND HAVE ONLY HAD 2 ROCK'S THROWN AT ME TODAY.----MUCH IMPROVED FROM THE ANGRY CROWD YESTERDAY. KEEP THE PRAYERS GOING UP AND OUR BLESSING IS IMMENENT

POPPY CHATM 16 MAY

poppy3] ok- just walked in phones have'nt stopped ringing all day.  notice came out in the paper today.  i will not seek public office again.   You would not believe some of these text, calls, and emails, I have recieved asking me to stay another term.    i told them- absolutely not . I have bigger fish to fry. 

Guys i just got word that they are organizing a major protest in Iraq against the GOI and non performance . This is going to apply tremendous [pressures on all their elected officials and should be in our favor big time. Poppy3 more coming 

 [poppy3] Tomorrow is deadline day for the fab five and Maliki . One or the other have to make a move. Either he makes moves to stay or they make the move that he is gone. Either way we get some solid details of the next chapter of the dinar delemma ?? 

My feeling is they have all in place to replace him and move fast forward. This morning there was one post that caught my attention saying someone has threatened to expose him for infraction he has commited. So the public threats have started ... Time will tell and time is now on our side. Poppy3 

poppy3] Well don’t get to excited and miss state what i have said.  The rv will happen only when Dr Shabibi says he has a full supported GOI and a Erbil agreement with shared power including article 140. 

Guys that can happen in a matter of hours and I believe the man.  He is the only Iraqi I know so far that has not ever lied to us. Poppy3

[love it 2] poppy3 whats MORE important GOI or the Erbil? 

 [poppy3] Now let me point out about HCL law ---- they have had one in place since 2004 but there have been several ammendments agreed on and voted on since then and old ding a ling Maliki has blocked making it a official activated law for almost two years to keep the Kurds from making the profits they should be getting among others. Poppy3 

[poppy3] love it 2 as far as the RV they are equal because the good doc wants both before he will release. Follow the money peeps ever hear that before. Who has the key to the vault?? So these peeps that are telling you Iraq doesnt have anything to do with the RV . U immediately need to stop reading and not corrupt you mind. Poppy3 

[kyletx] poppy3 if the 13303 isn't extended does that have a negative on the dinar we currently hold?

[poppy3] kyletx no not at all. It will indicate to me they are about to rv . Poppy3

[poppy3] When they RV they become a automatic full member of the WTO, they are automatically released from chapter 7 , they will have and be a internationally traded currency on the world markets and the tarriff law will be in effect and they will profit tremendously. ??????????? Now you can see why they have all turned on Maliki . He is costing the entire country, and citizens are starving to death while he has been trying to gain power just like Saddam did. Go RV poppy3

 [OfCourse13] Poppy, on some sites they say it will only happen Tues, Wed, Thursday. It will NEVER happen Sat. or Sunday. Any truth to any of that?

 [poppy3] OfCourse13 No, day or night-- week end, holiday, holy day vacation day nothing matters when Dr Shabibi says go to the BIS,IMF, etc organization she can and will fall- timed to together and will be seen world wide in less than 20 seconds. And  there are no glitches.    poppy3 

[OfCourse13] Thanks poppy3! I know a LOT of people have heard those rumors!

 [poppy3] OfCourse13 all bull 

 [poppy3] My source on that is the highest available I promise.    He was my boss and is a friend and has been for years. He has actually sat in on the negotiations at the BIS.    HE KNOWS POPPY3

PETERSMA POST ; " AS A BANK EMPLOYEE I SEE THE CALLS THIS WAY", 16 MAY

[~PETERSMA] My 2 cents. As a bank employee I see 'the calls' this way.


#1 Customers calling in have nothing to do with interrupting rate change operations. The calls go to customer support centers or to branches, both of which are completely separated from anything to do with a rate change. 


#2 Customers calling in can and do irritate bank staff when there's nothing they can do to help the customer AND they are required to answer their phones. 


#3 It is entirely possible that banks that may have 'underestimated' public response to Dinar changes may freak out and request more time to review their procedures to prepare for an 'onslaught' of customers that may not happen. 


Bottom line No Need to Call Banks, it just irritates people and may make your exchange process 'less pleasant' if they recognize your name as an 'irritant'.

BONDLADY POST, 16 MAY


5-16-2012 Bondlady: Much depends on these tarriff taxes.  Big businesses want to know about these things before they will venture in to invest, what there taxes would be or what tax bracket they would fit in before they committed to long term investments in Iraq.  Without these taxes, say bye bye to the WTO.  Of most direct relevance to the WTO is whether foreign exchange is freely available in payment for current account transactions, as exporters need to know how they will be paid. Iraq must have a CONVERTIBLE CURRENCY.  The investors and Iraqs buissness men will support the private sector hence giving Shabibi what he said he would need to happen to bring value to the IQD.  Shabs got a lot to do an a short time to do it imo as tarriffs are set to begin July 1st 2012.

POSTS FROM DINARLAND, 16 MAY

Islander] "If you make your prayers an expression of gratitude and thanksgiving for the blessings you have already received, instead of requests for what you do not have, you will obtain results a great deal faster." Napoleon Hill

[missionary] I think everyone needs to practice their happy dance today. Just may be a day of dancing and rejoicing.

[zbesta] .jonnywg what's special about Thursday? what's the magic of it 

12:01 AM [.jonnywg] thursday is the day following the resolving of other undisclosed issues

SWFloridaGuy] hurricane By the way Tampa news did a story on how so many people are buying dinar. I forgot to tell you guys. I got that call the second I got off the poppy bgg call. Hold on and I'll get the news station and story. I don't even know if it was a postive story yet. brb

May 15 9:38 PM [SWFloridaGuy] they just did this story tonight my friend in tampa saw it live

May 15 9:42 PM [SWFloridaGuy] Ok it was on bay news 9. About an hour ago. They interviewed an invest guy who was pretty negative about and said it was risky like they all do but the story did go into how it used to be a very high rate. I’ll find the video

SWFloridaGuy] Here's the link. Trying to find the story now. http://baynews9.com/

Angel] I dont think it does a bit of good to say do not call, they all think it means for the OTHER people not to, but OK for them too

[Stitch] Angel yes, many see themselves as unique with rules not applying to them.

[whitelions] Angel imo you can call the banks all you want you just might not like the answer you get from them if they have been telling you it's a scam all this time they will not say differntly now untill it RV's I don't care who said it's in the banks

[missionary] I encourage everyone to find a place today where it is total quiet, say nothing and do nothing but listen when you find that place. You will hear the voice of the hurting and the helpless of the world calling your name. God has a plan for you and your new wealth. Be obedient to His calling.

SWFloridaGuy] How hysterical it must be to Shabibi to hear that a small group of arrogant Americans think they can affect his country's exchange rate from a chat room. Like we stopped the RV again by tying up the phone lines at our local Wells Fargo branch. aye yi yi

louthunder] LISTEN. I have been in the computer industry longer than most people have even owned a pc. There is no way and I mean no way that the computer system used at the banks is connected to the telcomm system that runs their phones. No way. If it was, it would be another very wide door for hackers to enter the financial system. Never happened never will

[louthunder] Anyone either from a bank or other wise is lying to you or should not comment on something that they have no and I mean no way of knowing anything about.

[louthunder] I have worked on system security for schools, police departments and banks for over 15 years

louthunder] I believe we are on the edge of the cup, waiting for the tap in or for the group in our foursome to say pick it up it is done. But no one and I mean no one is shutting down or slowing down the computer system at banks by calling on a phone or going to a website. that is not the way it works.

[angel08] louthunder I agree if our banks are sharing phone lines with computer lines that is pretty sad

louthunder] angel08 not even the lines but the system themselves are not connected, no way no how

Gnarz] 16/05/2012 Fear of € outlet Greeks plunder their bank accounts REUTERS Greek from cash dispensers: Investors are uneasy Investor panic is spreading in Greece: Many bank customers plunder their accounts because they fear the country could soon leave the euro zone - and the new currency to lose value dramatically. Starting this week, have already raised 900 million euros.

[MsFringe62] Gnarz the heat is getting turned up in the frying pan

[Gnarz] EU and IMF, have meanwhile, announced to help the troubled Greek banks - with 18 billion euros. The money comes from the second 130 billion euros heavy utility that will pay off the euro rescue EFSF in several tranches. The 18 billion euros have already been paid into a special account of the Greek Central Bank (Bank of Greece), said the government in Athens.

CHATTER FROM DINARLAND, 16 MAY

laurelei] Great quote of the day: "So it is, life is actually made up of our choices. We are the sum total of them, and if we hold to an attitude of love and thanksgiving for all the good things within our grasp we may have what all ambitious people long for - success." Delma Neeley

steveo: I have no intel.... just a gut feeling... this could be the hump day we were waiting for. LET'S RV!!!!!

[djodyb] who here follows currency newshound for articles???

[djodyb] skysthelimit he hasnt updated anything since yesterday morning

[djodyb] at least on my page.....

daniandquin] djodyb here's my point: If the Main stream media in the US and UK are completely controlled .... what makes us think that Iraq is any difference? KWIM?

[djodyb] skysthelimit so i am not just overthinking this??? lol

[djodyb] daniandquin what I am saying is that articles come out every day ALL day, there has not been one new article since yesterday morning before 9am EST

[daniandquin] djodyb good question. but what does that signify? If maliki is in control before- is the silence indicative of a change?

djodyb] daniandquin thats what I am wondering out loud here.....seeing if I am reading too much into this.....Currency Newshound always has new articles all day long....just seemed odd

 [daniandquin] djodyb but is it a due to on the ground changes in iraq, or with currecy newshoud? 

 [djodyb] daniandquin I dont know.....Im just thinking out loud here.........I can tell you that I have followed CN for over a year......and dont remember anything like this 

[djodyb] could be nothing....could be something

[BGG] The only argument against the Dong being a "Guru pump" is there is no money in it. It's such a cheap currency and the buyers typically only buy small amounts - there's no inscentive. JMHO.

[jmcknight63] Friend of mine got a call yesterday from WF to come in today ar 4:15..

[jmcknight63] 4:15 this eve is his apt.

[musiccitylady] jmcknight63 and what did they tell him the reason was for coming in at that time of day??

 [honeybelle] jmcknight63 for what?

 [pokerplyr] nutzo lol that happened to me last week. I got all excited then had to go in and make a payment rofl

 [jmcknight63] He was just told to come in. He has 4mill

jmcknight63] People I am just relating from what a friend of mine has told me. He is a friend of mine that is over in oom site talking about it right now. Believe me. I do not care. Just thought y'all would like to know.

[jmcknight63] If I hear anything from him I will relay. He said that maybe they just want to make sure he will give them his business.

[jmcknight63] I will for sure let y'all know... I am in this just like everybody

[jmcknight63] All I said was a friend gt a call from WF to come in today at 4:15. He does not know why they called him. Just would like to talk. They know he holds dinar. I will let y'all know w hat happens as soon as I hear

[BOBGETZ6] I don't want to start a war this morning between those who follow one guru or another. I do want to comment on Okie's post in Dinerrecaps.com. He along with others, leaking out a supposed Wells Fargo Bank situation is, IMO, ludicrous. If they don't want the banks called, then they shouldn't put out partial information. 

On the other hand, many people in this investment are like sheep and follow their favorite gurus. I, for one, do not believe that anything we might do would stop an rv as it is much bigger than us. I do believe that people calling WF or any other banks, is sheer irresponsibility as when there is no rv, the banks don't want it or will not set up appointments. 

When this happens I will know within minutes and you will probably know within the next 90 seconds. Is that not fast enough? Please show the banks the respect which they are due. They cannot produce the rv as it will come to them. They are a business and have to deal with the daily needs of others. When the rv comes, you will need to make an appointment, not just walk in.

[annabelle] GM morning! Is it really fact that Okie was going to make "THE POST" but because too many people called the bank...he didn't?

[STARlite] I don't really believe that the people calling WF were even OKIE followers as they have been trained by him, not to call the bank. I am feeling a lot of drama was created to instill a wrong view of Okie; those who are in competition always want to be first.

BOBGETZ6] STARlite They were everybody calling the bank and IMO, no desire to defame Okie. 

[Osthaffn] blessedinohio I think part of it is a problem with communication... people see the words "live at WF" and think this is is lemme call and do it, and of course, it's not REALLY live or not RELEASED or some such thing - so a little bit of info can be misinterpreted

[justchecking] This will be a very simple process, but the money will freak people out who aren't used to having any, or care little about people other than themselves.

[Osthaffn] blessedinohio but what some don't realize, is that when it is truly ready for the public, there will be no doubt, no piecemeal approach, it'll be everywhere and go viral

blessedinohio] Osthaffn Exactly right...Those few words in Okie's post got many goingeven though the gist of the post was he was still waiting on confirmations and all was not done..

motorcitymark] why in the world would so many call the bank ..... i have never called the bank .. makes no sense to me. we will see i and here it here first

[blessedinohio] motorcitymark I don't get it either! How stupid! When I call the bank, I want to be 'in the know' calling the shots - with the 800#, with the bank having to make my appt and falling all over me to get my business. Why anyone would call and make a fool of themself is beyond me...

[motorcitymark] citizensoldier wasn't bashing anyone .... i have no idea who called and who didn't ...... i don't think its a bright move at this point

 [Osthaffn] blessedinohio and I'm not convinced that people calling the banks has slowed down the RV, but it probably has annoyed the banks to no end, and it is convenient to blame someone even though they are still doing their testing protocols and moving things along

[blessedinohio] burneyw If thousands of people are calling the branches, the disruption is enormous. I suspect that's what happened. I'm not sure it slowed down the RV, but it had to tick WF off just a bit. I've noted many times that I work for WF and the last thing I'd ever do is call my bank!!

[pmw1973] i think everyone is missing a point... info is givin on trust (leaked if you want) if thousands call the bank on givin info the trust will break and no more info... better explanation?

[Osthaffn] pmw1973 I haven't missed that point, nor have I missed the point that potentially "leaked" information may have been done on purpose to support the bank's agenda; testing the system? seeing how many call? who really knows!

[blessedinohio] Osthaffn We have much better ways of testing impacts to the branches than leaking information to see who calls. Trust me, I pilot branch changes, procedures, software, etc. everyday. But, who knows...

steveg] blessedinohio If anything came out of yesterday bank calls if gives WF an indication of the call volume they will recieve when announced. At wells website do they list the branch numbers or just the 800#. If it is just the 800 # that will give the call center their minimal manpower requirement.

[blessedinohio] steveg You can always get your local branch phone number if you try. The 800# is there, but I suspect it was a mix of local calls and 800# calls.

[choco] I just see it as it is, another day and closer to the real deal...