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Tuesday, March 27, 2012

KAPERONI CHAT, 27 MARCH

kaperoni: Today’s chat is a dinar chat. I am calling this chat..”Tick tock - the clock is ticking”

kaperoni: Let’s get started….

kaperoni: First article…

kaperoni: Interview with Dr. MP. Haider al-Abadi - Date: Tue 03/01/2012 2:12     http://www.qanon302.net/news/news.php?action=view&id=11250

kaperoni: Ok, we talked in the past about the laws that need to be set in place prior to the RV. That even a member of parliament's statement was…

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “ but it needs to legislation to liquidate the benefits of debt and the other between the dinar, the old and the new dinar and the project in the process of discussion with the Central Bank of Iraq because the process of substitution two-year Tbdoua in 2013 must also adopt the budget in 2013 dinar new,“

kaperoni: So we all been looking for parliament to address this issue. And so far no results….well until today…

kaperoni: Next article…

kaperoni: Dr. Ibrahim Al-Allaf, Director of the Center for regional studies at the University of Mosul: adopt two key deployment "objective scientific vision and national constants" - March 27, 2012, 6:14 pm     http://www.iraqyoon.net/news_details.php?details=1017

kaperoni: Dr. Al-Allaf makes this statement in regard to the ‘delete 3 zeros” process….

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “…stressed that external debt is at acceptable levels, and completed a series of legal enactments which are associated with this process,”

kaperoni: Did you see that? Apparently, they have completed the legal enactments (laws) which were needed!

kaperoni: Ok, so we're good to go…We are on the clock!

kaperoni: So this next quote by Dr. Al-Allaf reiterates the significance of this event…

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “Allaf said that the issue raised many debates response project will enhance researcher trust symbols of national sovereignty of the country and is the Iraqi dinar, and enhance confidence in the national currency to the citizen well it will help Iraqi dinar value high monetary reform…”

kaperoni: Three great points here…

kaperoni: 1. A countries “national sovereignty” is it’s currency..which is the Iraqi Dinar.

kaperoni: 2. This is event will bring confidence back to the dinar, and lastly

kaperoni: 3. This reform will help it gain “high value.”

kaperoni: Next article will clear up once again what “delete 3 zeros” or “lift 3 zeros” really means.

kaperoni: Article…

kaperoni: Iraq is to delete the zeros of the Danarh and raise its value against the dollar - Sunday, March 25, 2012   http://international.daralhayat.com/internationalarticle/293681

kaperoni: We have always stated that this event was a collection of larger notes. That the CBI is using the banks to hold back the 1,000, 5,000, 10,000 and 25,000 dinars from circulation. That this process is “delete the 3 zeros.” Well look at this quote…

kaperoni: “Official sources in the Iraqi Central Bank to the project to delete three zeros from the Iraqi dinar actually began,”

kaperoni: You see what that says? That means we are correct.

kaperoni: That, in fact, the CBI is holding back the larger dinars. Why are we correct? Cause any other offering would be known. If a LOP had taken place, we would know. This little tidbit confirms what we already knew months ago based on other articles. But this recent statement clearly confirms that once again we are correct!

kaperoni: In recent days there has been some talk about a certain Iraqi citizen. That he went on a conference call and made statements that may have implied a LOP if you believed his understanding of the event.

kaperoni: Well, nobody knew that he also sent me an email with this little gem….

kaperoni: “they are paying all employees salaries with lower Denoms now.”

kaperoni: So what does that mean?

kaperoni: It means clearly that Iraqis for some time have been paid in 50, 250, and 500 dinars at the banks. We already knew that months ago…but this quote adds more factual support to what is happening. And this little piece of information goes a long way to support the theory that if the CBI was in fact removing the larger notes as we say, his statement supports that information and confirms we are accurate in “delete 3 zeros,” or now known as “lift 3 zeros”.

kaperoni: Another great quote from this article is this…

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “She explained that the budget next year will be the new dinar, which will serve the Central Bank to gradually raise its value against the dollar and equal access to price, any dinars per dollar.”

kaperoni: Need more proof? Another article…

kaperoni: Deleted 3 zeroes from the Iraqi dinar cost «Central» $ 150 million - Monday, March 26             http://www.iwffo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52101:2012-03-26-14-25-29&catid=5:2011-09-15-06-23-42&Itemid=6

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “the draft deleted three zeros from the Iraqi dinar began effectively”

kaperoni: More confirmation they have already began the process. Next quote…

kaperoni: “«Central» to raise its value gradually against the dollar up to be equal any dinars per dollar.”

kaperoni: We can take from this that the dinar will not LOP or redenominate. Clearly are the words directly stating…”gradually raise it’s value against the dollar to equal” or “raise its value gradually against the dollar up to be equal any dinars per dollar.”

kaperoni: Again sorry LOPsters, but you're wrong. Eating crow must taste bad, come see me later, I will give you some pizza…lol Tick tock….

kaperoni: I like this next article…

kaperoni: (Citizen) reveal the intentions of raising the value of all Iraqi dinars to equal one dollar - On: Wednesday 03/21/2012 19:48   http://www.alwathika.com/article/?t=9308

kaperoni: In the title along is a great quote…”intentions of raising the value of all Iraqi dinars to equal one dollar”

kaperoni: That is spectacular because LOPsters want you to think your large 3 zeros notes will only be worth $21. Clearly, this article holds no bias. All notes will appreciate in value. That is the reason for the collection now of the larger 3 zero notes. The shear danger of having them in circulation post RV.

kaperoni: Here is another great quote…

kaperoni: “A source in the Iraqi Central Bank about four companies currently competing to win the draft printing the new Iraqi dinar, which will generate graceful after deleting three zeros from it, as Samay central bank to raise the value of the dinar against the dollar gradually down to the day to start replacement where the value will be in the absence of a fluctuation Iraqi dinars, equivalent to one U.S. $ one.”

kaperoni: More great information…The CBI states that the new lower denominations will be introduced slowly (graceful) once they have “delete 3 zeros” (collected larger notes), which is mostly done. Once again we see that the CBI will raise the value of the dinar “gradually” to the point they start giving out the new currency. A point at which the dinar is equivalent to $1 USD.

kaperoni: Now we have some information…and the clock is ticking…tick tock…

kaperoni: So now we need a new timeline….A timeline that make sense with these articles. Without posting a bunch of articles, we already all know we have seen many that state sometime from Sept –Dec this must be accomplished as they want to start the 2013 budget with this new rate. I think we can do better. I think we can move that up quite a bit. Here is the next article and quote…

kaperoni: Esawi: Today's meeting unanimously adopted 5 resolutions - 27/03/2012 16:37:00         http://www.ninanews.com/english/News_Details.asp?ar95_VQ=FKJFIJ

kaperoni: Finance Minister Rafi’ Al Esawi said this today….

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: "Iraq will begin on June 1st, 2012, the implementation of the tariff customs,"

kaperoni: Ok, so we got some good news! They are not going to impliment tariffs with a .10 rate. They will have to get the rate to a acceptable level before these tariffs take effect. Will that be 1.17 to $1? That is yet to be seen. But clearly, if what was stated above, your currency is a symbol of national sovereignty, the rate will not be .10 in June.

kaperoni: We also have heard all this before. To be told Tariffs would be implemented, only to be delayed…Here is a new article…

kaperoni: Parliamentary Committee: customs tariff system will enter Iraq to WTO - 23/03/2012 14:18       http://www.aknews.com/ar/aknews/2/297430/

kaperoni: Quote….

kaperoni: “the Parliamentary Commission on the economy and investment, on Friday, that the application of the tariff regime for Iraq will be entered within WTO, pointing out that the Government has an obligation to take action to protect the economy and rising prices.”

kaperoni: And this one…

kaperoni: “Finance Minister Rafe Al-Issawi announced last week, to determine first of June as the date for the tariff regime in Iraq after having been postponed twice, "he said, adding that" this time cannot be deferred action. "

kaperoni: This is great news! They will not delay it again, which puts the RV on the clock…tick tock…

kaperoni: Two more supporting quotes…

kaperoni: "Iraq is ready to apply the special tariff system after modifications, and will be applied in June."

kaperoni: "tariff will limit entry of goods of poor origin and would support the introduction of Iraq went into the WTO."

kaperoni: Now we know Iraq wants into the WTO. Will that come soon? Well they need to accomplish these reforms before it will happen. There is no way to circumvent that. Here is a great article…

kaperoni: Terms complex to join the World Trade Organization - 25.03.2012         http://www.iraqhurr.org/content/article/24526583.html

kaperoni: House of Representatives Abdul- Hussein Abtan made these comments…..

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “(Iraq) in dire need to join the World Trade Organization,”

kaperoni: Quote...

kaperoni: “this need will be strengthened in the future when the Iraqi economy moving on the world map, pointing out that the WTO has a lot of tools that can benefit”

kaperoni: Iraqi economic analyst Bassem Jamil Antoine made these comments in the same article…

kaperoni: Quote…

kaperoni: “is not ready at the moment of accession to the WTO,”

kaperoni: And this quote...

kaperoni: “does not have a professional staff of professional that can manage the file by which to negotiate with the World Trade Organization.”

kaperoni: And this quote...

kaperoni: And this last quote…

kaperoni: “It is noted by observers that Iraq’s attempts to join the World Trade Organization seem a form of political and economic behavior is unrealistic, because it still imports most of its food basket from the outside, and suffers from high unemployment.”

kaperoni: So we see that from this information that Iraq has work to do.,,,,That doing nothing is getting them nowhere. And if their plan is to achieve this goal, they better start making strides soon. They better start the RV now.

kaperoni: This last article is good…

kaperoni: Trade Organization» requiring Iraq to accept sweeping reforms in its membership - Friday, March 23, 2012           http://international.daralhayat.com/

kaperoni: Mohammed Saleh makes this great quote…

kaperoni: Taking in regard to accession into the WTO…. “He noted that the organization called for changing the labor laws, trade and investment, customs and laws of money, which is difficult, being the need for concerted legislative and executive branches.”

kaperoni: Here we see once again what is needed…but key in on… “laws of money”

kaperoni: We already know from previous articles that the condition Saleh is referring to is…

kaperoni: Quote… “He said the main duties of the task force are reducing the difference of value between Iraqi Dinar and US dollar and activating Iraq's private sector.”

kaperoni: He makes one more very good quote…

kaperoni: “the majority of Arab and foreign investors reluctant to enter Iraq because of lack of confidence in the laws and conditions, but after joining we will send a full message of reassurance to them”

kaperoni: So let’s toss in a few more issues to consider…

kaperoni: Obligation to encourage state and private banking

kaperoni: The CBI has issues with hard currency leaving Iraq (USD)

kaperoni: The counterfeiting issue

kaperoni: De-dollarization

kaperoni: The need for an internationally tradable currency higher than the dollar

kaperoni: Reduce unemployment, stimulate economic growth

kaperoni: Reduce inflation

kaperoni: Shabibi has what he needs in place now…security, border control.

kaperoni: All he needs is unity.

kaperoni: I think that sums it up. The CBI is on the clock…time to get the RV in motion. Shabibi has 60 days to get this rate where it needs to be for the economic advancement of the country. He needs to make his move now.

kaperoni: Tick tock….

kaperoni: Done

POPPY POST, 27 MARCH

[poppy3] been out and very busy all day but have recieved several calls both from lol,lol guru's and listen to all their stuff???   wasnt very impressed with any of it .

I did get some good calls from solid sources and just like bgg stated according to the people positioned to know facts they still say nothing has happened to delay the rv prior to the summit and even though they are having some pre-summit meetings to plan subjects to be addressed during the summit read my lips the summit is not till thursday. Poppy3

 [poppy3] this is not not connected to the global settlement or prosperity packages. Now it could later help those people get some of their money but it has zero to effect the rv. Poppy3 

SOONERFAN CHAT & POST, 27 MARCH

4:43 PM [soonerfan62] Good Evening guys, told you I would come on few a few. Many many calls today since 7 this morning and let me assure you everything is moving just fine, not as fast as we would like but the good news is there still is no 
bad news. 

A lot of mis information going around today and the closer we get the more mis info we will get. The summit coming up will, IMO trigger our blessing 
for many reasons. There were and I said were things that needed to be done in 
the banking system and is now completed. 

There are many dryruns being done because guys they HAVE to get this right the first time. I know it's hard but just relax and it will come to us. Just thank GOD everyday that you are in this investment. When I post this please SLOW down the room. Thanks Soonerfan62



UPDATE:
soonerfan62] dinardr I think they are trying to put it through right now IMO

BWM] honestly, I can't find a credible source to back up the "glitch" sorry...

[soonerfan62] BWM Wasn't really a glitch. One of the dry runs didn't go through 
smoothly

[BWM] the whole story about live at the banks did not match up with my contacts with at least 2 of the big 4 saying they DID NOT have live rates... 
[soonerfan62] bwm ok 
 
jbob77] soonerfan62 just a question ...how do you know that everything is going just fne when no one really knows what is going on??
[soonerfan62] jbob77 I don't anything could happen at this point, I'm 
just not hearing any problems

[drl] soonerfan62 If Ban Ki Moon delivers the release of chapter 7 to Iraq isn't it 
realistic to assume that the UN Security Council has sent him there for that 
purpose with the RV to occur prior to or concurrently with the release from 
chapter 7? Thanks for your response O Wise Young Sage!
[soonerfan62] drl No release from Chapter 7 without RV

soonerfan62] Guy for the record I read BWMs post more than anyones, I have the highest respect for him and do not expect him to agree with me all the time

BWM] at the end of THE day (the day it finally does happen) someone will be right... I don't care who it is, it won't be me calling it... but it also won't be me 
doing it every day in hopes I'm right... YOU HAVE TO DISCERN WHAT YOU TAKE FROM EVERY LINE THAT IS POSTED YOU READ

BWM] sln1987 there was something that needed to happen... it's done, finished early this morning from what I heard... (that's about as vague as I can be) and now depending on the timing of something else we could see it soon or not... there that about covers it

imblessed: As I understand it the UST is using a complete new system to run all the rates thru for all the countries currencies being revalued or devalued. Thus tests have been ran and some errors have shown up and must be fixed; this is a serious operation for the whole world. No one can be completely accurate with intel as such things can happen. So let us be steadfast and know humans do make mistakes; but in time the RV will come.

BOBGETZ6] I, for one, am having trouble believing the computer glitch explanation for the lack of an rv. I have been involved with computers since the first pc came on the market. With all of the attempts that have been made, and all of the testing that has been been done over the past months, it is just not plausible to me.

soonerpatriot] Littlepaws I did answer. I think it was a push to go live 
and decided they couldn't resolve glitch before east coast banks opened up. 
We could see this at any time or they may decide to wait for Hawaii to 
close and then push it out. They'll probably start out again like last 
night & then go live.

[soonerpatriot] Folks, stay positive. We may not be in the bank's door, but I 
can now see the open sign, and the bank manager who told you in no 
uncertain terms that the dinar was a scam is holding the door open, she has 
a smile on her face, and has eaten a healthy meal of humble pie. Our moment 
is upon us. Smile!!

OKIEOILMAN POST, 27 MARCH

OKIEOILMAN: I FEEL AS THOUGH I OWE AN EXPLANATION JUSTIFYING LAST NIGHTS POST ABOUT BEING AT THE BANK TODAY.
 
LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON I RECEIVED WORD FROM 3 OF THE BIG 4 BANKS THAT THEY HAD JUST RECEIVED THE RATE AS BEING LIVE AND ACTIVE AND THAT THEY WOULD BE EXPECTING A CASH IN TODAY.
 
SO TODAY I DONE DUE DILEGENCE IN FINDING OUT JUST WHAT EXACTLY PRECLUDED US FROM BEING AT THE BANK AS THEY STATED TO ME WE WOULD. I WAS TOLD THE SAME OLE (COMPUTER GLITCH) STORY WE HAVE HAD FURNISHED PREVIOUSLY. 

AT FIRST I DOUBTED IT UNTIL I HAD FINALLY SATISFIED MYSELF THRU SOURCES THAT A GLITCH HAD ACTUALLY OCCURED.THE GLITCH WAS THE MIS-PLACEMENT OFONLY 1 DECIMAL PLACE IN RATES SENT OUT (WHETHER IN THE USA OR ELSEWHERE I AM UNCLEAR)
 
BUT THAT ONLY 1 DECIMAL PLACE WRONG COULD HAVE IMMENSE RAMIFICATIONS ON WORLD RATES ESTABLISHED FOR CERTAIN COUNTRIES WHICH WOULD THROW THE ENTIRE EQUILIBRIUM OF CURRENCY TRADES OUT OF SYNC. 

I NOTICED OTHER INTEL PROVIDERS HADALSO RECEIVED AND PUBLISHED THE SAME VERIFICATIONS THAT I HAD RECEIVED. I ONLY REPORT THE INTEL THAT I GET AT THE EXACT MOMENT AS BEING 
CORRECT. AT LAST INFORMATION FURNISHED ME WAS THAT THE PTB WAS GOING TO TRY TO PUSH THIS THRU AGAIN TONIGHT AND THE GLITCH WAS FIXED--

PETROTEX CHAT, 27 MARCH

Petrotex] I was told they will announce the GOI during the summit. 30 minutes
ago I was told that

[Petrotex] preliminary meeting today and tomorrow...actual summit is thursday

[GrannieAnnie]Petrotex So March 29th it actually starts?

Petrotex] It’s only a one day event. that's what I hear

GrannieAnnie] Petrotex ok so you must have inside sources there?

[Petrotex] I have been around a long time in this investment... pre dinar vets 
days

Petrotex] I fully expect this to happen..unless.Maliki throws a shoe

GrannieAnnie] Petrotex Didn't he do that once before? lol
[Petrotex] 20 * times before

GrannieAnnie] Petrotex Do you remember when someone through a shoe at Pres. Bush?

[Petrotex] they have had his fights in parliament.. caine fights in parliament... shoe 
fights in parliament etc...Maliki has his own goon squad

[GrannieAnnie] Petrotex Of course he does. He is a goon himself. lol
[Petrotex] yes

Petrotex] while you wait accumulate

thumperbonzworth] rvsoon National Conference has past! The Arab Summit is the event! Ban Ki Moon will announce that Iraq is out of Chapter 7 while he is at the Summit and prior to that we will see the RV. That's It!

[thumperbonzworth] docremeyer there have been several postings about the Arab Summit. The financial part of the meeting started today and tomorrow will be day two then the actual Summit begins on the 29th. This is a really big deal! It was cancelled last year because Iraq was not ready.

Petrotex] Thumper you are correct. you will see a completed government first then chapter 7 released

Petrotex] no it's always been in iraqs hands... we just push them occasionally. no you're pushing... the saudis and kuwaitis are pushing... usa is pushing

Petrotex] anyway... I just wanted to drop it in... the 29th looks great, but they are out of money either way. so it can't be a very long

[Petrotex] I pray for us all.  I'm so tired of missing work on rv day

oldhousenut] Petrotex I relate was heading out of town last week on Monday and it was looking promising so didn't go, then was going this Monday and it was suppose to go so didn't go...so here I still sit.

BULLDOG POST UPDATE, 27 MARCH

Bulldog75: 12:09PM CST: OKIE/BULLDOG75 REPORT:

BANK FRONT SCREENS ARE AT NORMAL RATES. BACK CORPORATE SCREENS STILL HAVE NEW RATES. 

WE ARE SIMPLY WAITING FOR THE RATES TO COME TO THE FRONT TELLER SCREENS ANY HOUR. 

ALL CURRENCIES & MARKETS CONTINUE STABLE AT THIS TIME. WE ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC

BELLAGRITS POST, 27 MARCH

[BellaGrits] Good Morning, all........ I can assure you we are working diligently to convey the news to you regarding the positioning of the RV -- quickly, accurately, and informatively .......

 Please know we are getting very little sleep and taking calls almost 24/7......... 

until I get solid information / intel ..... I feel I can check out and verify, I am refraining from posting other than to let you know we are all over it..... 

I certainly expect to bring in news throughout the day........as always, I do think the Arab Summit is vital to our RV......

Please know when you receive information with intel.....we are reporting what we are told by our trusted sources.....things can change for them as well.....

 Please just understand we are doing our very best as well as the people we gather information from......remember, we shouldn't know the things we do most of the time.....

Closer it gets, harder it is .... so, in essence, this is good news.......will be back in soon!!!! 

I truly expect to bring in more specific news asap. Stay positive--- it's all positive...no delays, nothing negative to report. I expect a GREAT day!!! Gotta run~~

MIG CHAT: BOOKING, GENERALS, SHASTA, JOY JOY, 27 MARCH

joyjoyjoyjoy] shasta7 cool!! Could you give me a brief synopsis now?

shasta7] joyjoyjoyjoy Lojack6T ... we are there & only need the word from the banks to come in... I also suggest people listen to Generals64, Studley, BWM, & Jonnywg etc... these people are working very very hard to get us all the BEST deal possible... You all have no idea what they have done so far & generals64 you are correct... your group is one of the TOP group in dinarville...

[shasta7] I also suggest that NO one contact their banks till they get the word 

[generals64] O.K. win lose or draw.....all night ...last night....the calls came in....I 
stayed in contact until my cell quit working...Sorry Shasta7 ....and all my 
numbers are in the cell...Yes...It didn't go dead it quit working. First the MIG 
group is the Largest group in the dinarworld as far as numbers....We were asked 
for security sake not to quote numbers....but NO ONE is close to what you guys 
(and Roscoe and I) have....No One...

generals64] Now, the Banks... asked kcmana to send out a letter (which she did)....The letter simply stated that all ws good but, we had a lawyer verify and make wording adjustments to make sure we are covered....Now, you guys/gals...you need to understand...When this happens there will be an instant note on here in this site and in this room. I will call Precious and she will make sure that you guys know....I will call CCf and he'll make sure....Heck, I'll call Okie and make sure he knows.

[generals64] now, Shasta7 will also be a pivotal point for all of this and he knows that....I have been told I tell too much and last night I was asked to be silent...so, I 
waTCHED tELEVISION AND played with Roscoe util he started biting 
me....

generals64] So, ask yourself this question:......" Hey Generals is this for real????" then stop and ask yourself this question"...hmmm wonder why the banks (notice banks) at the Corpoprate level had us post a letter telling us to be ready and be 
calm"????Who really cares who is the first to call it?....Heck I don't care if 
Hammerman is in our group. I want everyone to get a fair shake and to be ready 
to get this finished....For many, this is going to be a life shattering event.

[sunsfan] generals64 ...so do you think there is a very good chance of cashing out this week

[generals64] sunsfan :...I want to say yes....and I heard last night from an IMF employee that we should have it today...who knows...???

generals64] I have been told that the IMF and the World Bank are in control of it right now...

generals64] Here's my personal Opinion....this and 1.00 (plus tax) will buy you a cup of coffee....oh yeah please send toasters....

No, I believe this happened and has taken it's toll on the banks system and is ready to go live....However, the banks have a plan to make sure everything and everyone is in place and ready....I DO KNOW that the logistics part of this is mind boggling....You guys didn't catch what Shasta said to me...did you?...have him repeat it....the numbers are astounding and we are just one group....the numbers of dinar will make you gasp for air ....Right Shasta?.....

now once they have the logistics in place (shortly) then it wil just go "poof" and you'll not see it unless you are looking at a bank screen personally... I would imagine people have been threatened with their jobs over this...Many do NOT have any dinar...Know that for a fact....

[shasta7] generals64 ... YES generals... you are 100% correct... you hit that right on the nail... lol Generals you will have the richest dog (Roscoe) in the world after this... lol

cgmom) It hasnt gotten to the BIS yet
[generals64] cgmom70 ;...been told it did late last night.

[cgmom70] generals64 i respect that but as of this moring it has not so guess that is where the piece of the puzzle is missing respectfully saying

[Capt Ron] generals, these numbers that are populating 'front screens' at various 
banks during last night: are those numbers placeholder numbers that can 
easily/quickly be converted to the real rv rate?

generals64] Capt Ron :...they were from what we were told....however, they come and go OMG ...no, they must come and go to be verified that the systems have accepted them...Told that by a programmer last night who says he was working with it.

[tgwspoon] generals64 just curious...how many dinar holders do you think there is in this country...individuals? thanks :)
[generals64] 2.5 million. Total

capt Ron] That stat means that this rv must indeed be an overall game changer for the USA economy. One percent of us are about to become quite wealthy.

shasta7] cgmom70 ... there isn't one person who has been right 100%... & NO ONE knows the time or the rate... most pass on what they been told from sources they trust... here is where the problem comes in... most sources are either from 
bankers, politicans, Gov't's or PTB.... & we all know from the past how much 
they tell the general public the truth & how honest they are right... point 
is this... take everything ANYONE says with a grain of salt, sometimes we need a 
bucket of salt... lol

Laura] cgmom70 Obviously you are informed and read a lot of the articles... now I have a question... do you believe the stuff about "its in the system" whatever... 
that doesn't make sense to me... the CBI will release the rate and when they do 
it will be done... I'd like to know your opinion..

[cgmom70] Laura no i really do not cause the bis is the last stop before the system now as we have not seen an rv in several weeks or months we are close i can say that are we there yet nope we are not as of now but that is imo

generals64] Laura :...you are wrong....the CBI has nothing to do with it now....We have a contact there as we speak and he has told us that...and yes, he speaks fluent English...No one is holding this up right now...It is logistical...If you know 
someone else in the CBI get hold of them and let us know

[shasta7] Laura ... normally you are right... BUT this is too BIG & nothing about this RV is NORMAL... throw out the rule book... this is once and a lifetime event!!!

shasta7] cgmom70 ... they need to pass on what can be verified... if it is NOT 100% verified then they should say it is THEIR opinion... & NOT verified... the 
intel people also need to go back to their sources & hold their feet to the fire if something did not happen as they told the intel person... just my opinion!!! :-)

shasta7] Laura ... I understand... I try to stay low keyed... I listen to EVERYTHING... take what makes sense & leave the rest... YOU also have to understand... many of the intel people are frustrated too... they have the same feelings & thoughts as the average person... most in my opinion are only wanting to help... I do believe generals64 is one of them... so what I am trying to say... is try looking at it from his point of view... in turn he too needs to understand that 
others may or may not agree with him... we are ALL in this together... & 
need to remember that!!! Hope that helped!!! :-)

[bookings] shasta7 shasta7 great post, we all are in this together, at the end god will bless us all. So many as worked so hard for us all. God bless all who's worked 
so hard on this rv. I know i sure do not want to hurt anyone over this rv. We 
all pay for our wrong doings. And i do not want to e one of them. God is always 
in control. No matter what anyone thinks.