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Monday, December 31, 2012

OPINIONS FROM DINARDETECTIVE, 31 DEC


12-31-12 Dojiman: As a matter of fact, the only economic reason they would 'need' to RV is to make their imports cheaper. Any country contemplating rebuilding would need a lot of infrastructure machinery/equipment which are typically very big ticket items. But Iraq does not seem to be in a rush here and is still a net exporter. No one knows what they are doing with the income.

Typically, an exporting country benefits from a weak currency since their good are cheaper in the international marketplace. Iraq does not have to worry about that because there is basically no competition pressure on their main (possibly only) export, oil, which has a market set price for the cartel, where countries are not competing against each other on pricing.

Our only hope is that there is some political agreements to RV and that those agreements have firm dates attached. If not, its like watching sand pass through an hourglass.  
DOCDINAR  SAID:  12-31-12 Maliki: Student cleric Ahmad Kubaisi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to enter the broader history of the doors by offering his resignation.

Kubaisi said during a program hosted in "the ninth studio" in Al Baghdadi said the "occupation that has plagued Iraq came and tribulations, It Alaaty and tougher sweeps through which countries throughout history."

He added that "what happened to Iraq is a historic catastrophe, but Iraq and its people most of this calamity much and became Iraqis trained to withstand adversity, noting that" one united people of all sects and creeds, but the occupation is to sow division in their ranks. "

He pointed out that "The Washington Post said the U.S. Kubaisi was able to build bridges of love between the Shiites and Sunnis, a danger to the planned U.S. and must take him out of Iraq."

Addressing Kubaisi Maliki, saying that "the Maliki historic opportunity can invest and go down in history of the wider doors which appear on the screen in this night and apologized to the Iraqis for not being able to repair the internal situation of the country and announced his resignation from his position as head of the Iraqi government," noting that "thus becomes the greatest leader Iraqi history.  ARTICLE LINK  

LILBIT SAID:
  If I'm interpreting this correctly, this is one person stating Maliki should resign? I'm the first to admit my inability to interpret these articles without flaw. To me this looks like one person saying Maliki should just come and and apologize to the Iraq people for not being able to bring the groups together and should then resign. Nice thought but I do not think this will happen.

WEARYWITHWAITING SAID:
  lilbit: I think you have it right. . . .that this talking head wants PM to apologize and t-h-e-n resign rather than (past tense) the PM h-a-s resigned

FRENCHY SAID:
  completely agree lilbit

12-31-12 Stryker: A MUST WATCH, IT TELLS THREE POINTS OF VIEWS. In central Iraq, a number of arrests have provoked mass protests in two major cities. Will these latest protests lead to renewed sectarian violence?

Inside Story - What is stoking Iraqi rage?   Video Link   

After watching this it looks just like our politics, no one wants to take the blame for anything and when someone gets put in the corner he starts coming out with insults.

Maliki's guy Saad al-Muttalibi says its the corrupt Kurdish Ministers causing all the problems, which I have a big problem with and he calls them worse than crooks. The CEO Anas al-Tikriti and the Kurdish journalist Hiwa Osman are much more believable if you ask me.

 Please take some time and watch this, I sure would like your input and thoughts on this. At first watch I said to myself that there is no way they are ready for a revaluation of their currency but after watching it again, on the other hand this crap obviously goes on on all levels of all types of government no matter what their currency is worth. But I would like to know everyone's thoughts on this one!

LILBIT SAID:
 I watched the video twice too. I wanted to hear both sides during the argument.

Please keep in mind this is my personal opinion. I am not involved in politics nor do I know as much as others on the RV.

I believe the shock on the face of al-Tikriti when being accused of being part of Saddam’s regime says it all. Although some may question his background, his involvement in any movements and his own organization are out in the open with nothing hidden.

I believe it was al-Muttalibi’s way of steering away from the true problem. Although al-Tikriti appears to be the one who doesn’t hesitate to speak over others and say what he is thinking, he was probably the most honest individual there.

Notice he said the whole world is watching and observing the behavior of Maliki.

Osman seemed a bit too cautious. He did state the govt. has not provided for the people but really didn’t go any further. Remaining cautious since they are currently coming to an agreement is probably a smart move on his part.

However, I did like his comment on the Kurds being more advanced than Baghdad and being asked to wait for Baghdad to catch up (I think that’s what I heard). Personally, I believe the Kurds are just protecting their region and taking care of their people. Maliki could learn a lesson or two from them.

This group reminded me of U.S. politicians right before elections, except discussing different topics. For the most, I still believe the RV can happen. However, if Maliki continues on his current path, I believe he will be forcefully removed. Not a single individual is buying into the lies coming out of the govt.

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!, 31 DEC

HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM  DINARESGURUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TONIGHT IS OUR NIGHT, 31 DEC

TERRYK 4:02 pm cdt  12/31/2012
[4:04:27 PM] toni  (TONI1960): [TERRYK] HELLO ALL
[TERRYK] HAPPY NEW YEAR
[TERRYK] GUESS WHAT
[TERRYK] TONIGHT IS OUR NIGHT

[TERRYK] WHOO HOO
[TERRYK] WOW READY4RV
[TERRYK] CONGRADS ERICASMOM
[TERRYK] ON NEW MODS
[TERRYK] SO DID YOU HEAR ME
[garfield] terryk - good evening, thanks for all your help in 2012. Happy New Year to you and your family. Do we still need to see positive results regarding the fiscal cliff to have the RV, thanks
[TERRYK] THANKS GARFIELD
[TERRYK] WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S GOING DOWN AT THE STROKE OF MIDNIGHT

[TERRYK] NO KIDDING
[TERRYK] 3 SOUCRES
[TERRYK] TODAYD
[TERRYK] TODAY

[BigEngine]    I know... Treat as rumor. EnoughAlready  
[TERRYK] TREAT WHATEVER I SAY AS RUMOR
[TERRYK] THANKS TUBLEWEED
[bhjd1] I would like to wish yall a very very Happy New Year.. as in rich    
[TERRYK] HOPE YOUR DOING WELL
[TERRYK] AND HOW IS YOUR SON 
[TERRYK] AND YOUR FATHER
[TERRYK] HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL
[TERRYK] WE WILL BE SHUTTING THIS DOWN THE SITE IN A FEW MINUTES HUH
TERRYK] GREAT TELL HIM I MISS PLAYING GOLF WITH HIM
[TERRYK] WE WILL HAVE TO GET HIM TO FLORIDA
[pianogirl] Will the room reopen if RV?
[TERRYK] NO
[TERRYK] NOT UNTIL THE NEXT MORNING
[TERRYK] WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF DRUNKS IN HERE
[TERRYK] WAIT MAYBE WE DO
[TERRYK] 5 PM
[TERRYK] EST
[TERRYK] JUST SO YOU ALL CAN GO WOW

[TERRYK] TINA BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A CALL 
[TERRYK] FROM ME IF WE RV
[TERRYK] TO OPEN BACK UP
[TERRYK] YOU JUST MAY EXPLODE 
[TERRYK] YOU HAVE A DATE TONIGHT
[BigEngine]    Thanks 4 being there/here in 2012.
[TERRYK] THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR MAKING THIS THE BEST SITE EVER
[TERRYK] DINAR WEB SITE IN THE WORLD

DINAR GURUS UPDATE, 31 DEC


12-31-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17  THE PWTB HAD TO LET THIS PLAY OUT BUT I AM SURE THEY ALSO KNEW MALIKI WOULD EVENTUALLY HANG HIMSELF...IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.  THIS JUST MAY PUT A HAMPER ON MY JAN 1 PREDICTION ESPECIALLY SEEING AS THE BUDGET HAS NOT YET BEEN DONE AND RATIFIED BUT I DON'T THINK I AM THAT TOO WAY OFF THE TIMELINE, JAN NOT MAR, IMO.  THE NEWS IS OUTSTANDING, JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONGER. 

12-31-2012  Newshound Guru Mailman17   THE DINAR WAS BUILT TO SUCCEED JUST TAKING A BIT LONGER THAN PLANNED.   MALIKI ON THE OTHER HAND,  I REALLY DON'T SEE HIM BEING IN POWER MUCH LONGER. THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ HAD HAD ENOUGH AND THEY NOW KNOW THERE IS POWER IN NUMBERS AND THEIR VOICE WILL FINALLY BE HEARD. 

12-31-2012  Intel Guru TerryK   i know of a group that placed a 1,000,000 usd for dinar order yesterday that's over 1 billion in dinar, so what does that tell u.   these investment guys must know something.   i guess  treat that as rumor as always but hearing gotta happen before the 1st 

12-31-2012  Intel Guru TerryK    i don't think i will be back in houston.  getting word that the dinar is active in europe right now at .30 being traded - have gotten 2 calls about this tonight - i dont have any legs on this other than calls coming in...so we sit here an wait  for the word again. [does that mean we have a float coming in so low?  .30 sounds like it might be speculators]   if it does come out low...speculators will eat it up driving the value thru the roof...this will go thru the roof within 24 hours.  I THINK THIS IS PRIVATE INVESTORS SUCKING IT UP.  still hearing it's at .478  just not on forex

THEORY & THOUGHTS OF ADAM MONTANA, 31 DEC


There’s a lot of speculation on the Iraqi Dinar, and one of the most confusing and uncertain aspects of the final outcome is: The Rate. We constantly hear people making predictions and taking guesses… but what is the Iraqi Dinar rate actually going to be?!

Hi Everyone. I’m Adam Montana, and I’m going to do something I have largely avoided for the past few years… I’m going to give you my analysis of a potential rate on the future (and pending!) ReValuation of the Iraqi Dinar.

There are plenty of theories on what the rate of the revalued Iraqi Dinar will be, and they honestly range from pennies to dollars… my friends, that is a HUGE difference in ROI if you hold several million Dinar!

Why, if the rate is several dollars, then your holdings could equal several million USD! If the rate is in the pennies, then your investment is potentially worth several tens of thousands of dollars… BIG swing there, right?

I’m going to list a couple of speculated rates and the reasons behind them, then I’ll tell you what I think is most likely.
Based on Kuwaiti Dinar.

It’s been said that the rate must equal their neighboring Kuwaiti Dinar rate, which would put the Dinar at $3+. Many people speculate that the Iraqi’s are a prideful people, and it would be a slap in the face to have a revalued currency be less than Kuwaits.

Based on dropping the 0′s

It’s mentioned many times in the news that the 0′s could be dropped, which would mean one of two things:

1. The 0′s are dropped from the bills, which essentially puts most investors at a break even return. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

2. The 0′s are dropped from the exchange rate, which is currently .00086 (Dinars are worth about 1170 IQD per 1USD, or an exchange of .00086). This means your dinars are worth .86USD per Dinar – in other words, a 10,000 IQD note is exchanged for $8,600 minus spread and bank fees.

Based on “equal to the USD”

We see articles all the time that reference the US Dollar, stating that the CBI wants the IQD to be equal to the USD. An easy assumption is to simply RV at 1:1, making a 10,000IQD note worth $10,000.

Based on “they can’t RV low or investors will buy too much!”

Some people state they will not cash in for anything less than $1. They state that Iraq would be foolish to RV at a low rate, because then big money will come in and buy up a ton of Dinar before it can go higher. (I intend to prove this theory wrong, FYI.)

 My Thoughts:

 Keep in mind that I’m trying to keep this as simple as possible. I am going to use hypothetical figures, and I’m going to make my point as quickly as possible… we all have better things to do than listen to an old guy like me ramble on for days, right? ;)

I agree with a few of the speculations above. I think the Iraqi Dinar should have a higher value, and I think we are simply waiting on the HCL or Chapter 7 to be finalized… then it will be “GO” time! But my opinion of the rate goes a little deeper… it includes a “business sense analysis” that I think everyone should be prepared to accept.

Iraq is a business – and the business is natural reserves. Iraq holds a majority of the worlds natural gas and also black gold, also known as “oil”. When Iraq is released from Chapter 7 and the HCL has been settled, they will begin operating their business using the same principals any other successful company uses – the goals being profit, sustainability, and success!

Did I mention profit?    Yes indeed, friends!

PROFIT.

The most important concept to understand today is this: The CBI makes money on every auction, and they will continue to do so forever. When the Dinar changes value, the CBI buys it at a lower rate, and then sells it at a higher rate.

The CBI will ALWAYS choose the path that makes them the most money. Keep that in mind as we continue with this paper!

Let’s move forward a few steps and talk about a ReValued dinar. I agree that a lower rate than Kuwait will be a blow to the ego’s of the Iraqis. I agree that it should be on par with the USD, or even higher. I agree that the rate WILL get there… eventually.

When the Iraqi Dinar is ReValued to a higher rate, it will become more desirable to do business in Iraq. Many people will be less hesitant to sign contracts and invest in Iraq. The current Iraqi Stock Exchange (ISX) should see some major movement… and the CBI (Central Bank of Iraq) is going to make tons of money on the exchanges!

I believe that Iraq can sustain a very stable currency at a rate of $3 or higher, but I don’t think they will immediately jump to that rate even if they ultimately desire it to be so.

Here’s why:

An instantaneous RV to $3.00 will create a ton of wealth – coincidentally, probably about the same amount of wealth that they lost when Saddam Hussein was taken out of power and the value of the Iraqi Dinar plummeted to mere pennies! What’s done is done, though, and we have to look at the situation for what it is today – not what it could have been or should have been.

When the Dinar rises in value and people are ready to “Cash In”, there is only one place that will ultimately buy the Dinar: The CBI.

Since they control the rate and they are the top of the chain, they can set their spread (the fees they charge for cashing in your Dinar) to any rate they want. I’m of the opinion that they will jack that rate up as high as possible in the beginning… and who’s going to say no? The CBI has a monopoly on this market and it is theirs to do with as they please.

A normal foreign currency exchange carries a “spread” of 2-6%. This means if you exchange $1000 worth of a foreign currency, you can expect to receive approximately $940 after the spread is taken out. Those numbers in the middle aren’t important; the only important thing is what you walk away with.

Since the CBI has complete control on the spread, which trickles down through every single banking institution that handles the Dinar, we are at their mercy. Don’t miss this next line:

If the CBI won’t buy your dinar, then you will not be able to cash in.

Take a hypothetical rate of $3.

The CBI can (and probably will) put a hefty spread their buy price – I’ve heard it will be at least 25% if they RV high. This means they will sell the Dinar for $3, but they will buy it for $2.25

Personally, I’d be grateful and overjoyed to see a 25% spread on a $3 RV! Most likely, we will only see about $2.00 per Dinar at a $3 RV by the time it gets in our hands (every party involved will take a little chunk, unless you are physically able to go to the CBI. And you can’t do that. So, just accept it – you’re going to pay a spread.)

Once again, the extra numbers aren’t important right now – the only number that’s important is the $3 and the $2.25, because that’s what the CBI is worried about.

Let’s say there is a billion USD worth of Dinar out there right now, or 1 trillion IQD. The CBI pays $2.25 for every $3 worth of Dinar, then resells it the next day for $3. That’s a profit of $75 billion just on the spread. Not bad, right?

The problem is it cost them 225 billion to do that… and that 225 billion goes right into the “debt” column.

My friends, Iraq isn’t about to go into debt so we can get rich. Therefore, a $3 RV isn’t the answer, and we must look at another possibility.

Take a hypothetical rate of $0.10 (ten cents)


Again,  using the same numbers we have 1 Trillion IQD that needs to be changed out to smaller denominations. The CBI announces the rate at ten cents and also announces that your large notes will be worthless in 90 days.

Every investor would love to hold out for a higher rate, but in this situation you have no choice… you cash out. The CBI will likely use the same spread, so they will buy 1 trillion Dinar at a rate of .10, minus 25% spread, which gives us about $750 for every 10,000IQD note we have… and the CBI makes 250 million in the first 90 days at an expense of only 1 billion. This puts their debt on this transaction at only 750 million… a far cry from the 225 billion in the $3 RV!!!

However, this is only the first step. Now I’ll show you how Iraq can easily wipe that debt out by ReValuing the Dinar at a lower rate initially, then making money as the Dinar increases in value over a relatively short period of time.

What about all the other investors that will now come in to buy up the lower denomination notes, speculating that the Dinar will continue to rise?

I completely agree that this will happen! And the CBI will continue to make money on it. In the above situation, the Dinar is being sold by the CBI at .10USD per 1IQD. After all of the large notes are brought in, it is reasonable to assume twice as much money will be poured back into Dinar by speculators, at .10.

Now the CBI is able to sell 2 billion at 10 cents, and they can move the peg on the Dinar up a bit – say, to 15 cents. Investors will cash in for a profit, allowing the CBI to resell at the higher rate and once again make profit.

Of course, not all investors will cash in at 15 cents. For the sake of argument, let’s say half of the investors sell out at that point. The CBI pays 0.1125USD per dinar (A profit of 12.5% for the investors!!!) and resells that billion for 15 cents – securing a profit of 375 million.

The CBI’s “debt” on the original RV is now down to 375 million… do you see how this is working? The CBI is able to make up the “loss” on the original RV simply by continuing to hold auctions and allowing more and more people to profit on the increasing value.

At this point, in our hypothetical situation of a 10 cent RV, the CBI has covered half of it’s loss with only one “repeg”. They can continue to profit all the way up to the final rate of $1, $2, $3, or higher – as long as investors are willing to buy the Dinar, they can keep moving it up.

And the way things are going over there… why wouldn’t we keep buying? I know I plan on doing so!

In conclusion, I want to caution everyone to be careful with this investment. As good as things look, we never know when some hairbrained Arab is going to pull the pin on a grenade or something silly like that. Only buy what you can afford to lose, and always consult a professional before making investment decisions.  I hope you found this article to be helpful!

Best regards and WARMEST RV wishes,  -  Adam Montana

OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE ANNOUNCED THE RV OF THEIR CURRENCIES FOR JAN 3RD, EXPECTS IT TO BE ANNOUNCES ANYTIME FROM NOW TO WEDNESDAY, 31 DEC

 [duffy2] From PTR call: Tony said other countries have announced the RV of their currencies for Jan 3rd. Said everything in Iraq done and no hold ups there. Expects it to be announced anytime from now to Wednesday. Could be later, but really expects it this week. Nothing negative out there he says.

duffy2 - Tony more or less agreeing with TK in hearing it is done and just waiting to be announced or just show up at banks. On the msn site, VND is showing 48 cents as of 12/31, so that is very positive. Just needs to show at the banks next.

 duffy2 - Tony just a while ago on PTR call said nothing in Iraq's hands and hasn't been for some time and Erbil is finished and waiting for publish in Gazette.

[Moonchild] duffy2 my sources agree with the first part of what Tony said but they have said nothing about Erbil, one way or the other.

THE LAST EFFORT TO COLLECT ALL 3 ZERO DINAR, HOPING THEY MOVE TO PHASE 3 IN EARLY 2013, 31 DEC

[michigander0131] Central Bank calls for banks to get the right to sell the U.S. dollar Posted on Monday, December 31 2012 BAGHDAD / obelisk: stressed the Central Bank of Iraq, Monday, he was in the process of opening the door to get the right to sell the dollar for all Iraqi banks. The governor of the Central Bank and Abdul Basit Turki Agency for "obelisk", "The bank has decided to open the door to all banks for window sell the currency from the beginning of next year." http://www.faceiraq.com/ ··· =1265904 -- 
[michigander0131] last effort to collect all 3 zero dinar

[BamaSteve] michigander0131 What is your take on Dinar Detectives saying Maliki had resigned?
[michigander0131] BamaSteve theres no way he re-signed
[michigander0131] and that is fact /not rumor
[mimirose] michigander0131 Maybe they kicked him out and said he resigned to save face?    
[michigander0131] mimirose nope he is there just like always
[BamaSteve] michigander0131 I thought you went by articles.
[michigander0131] BamaSteve i do but i also know witch ones are junk and witch are real //been in this too long
[michigander0131] mimirose they may try a no-confidence vote again we will have to see
[BamaSteve] michigander0131 So enlighten me, how is this one not real?
[michigander0131] BamaSteve well for one he is still there //
[michigander0131] and will be tomorrow and the next day and so on and so on
[BamaSteve] michigander0131 How do you know he is there today? Not being sarcastic.
[michigander0131] BamaSteve ive seen there news for today he is all over in it also on the blog sites they are talking about him and the way he is handling the protesters
[michigander0131] if he was out they would be dancing in the streets
[michigander0131] BamaSteve i follow half a dozen blog sites out of different parts of the country 
[michigander0131] iraq that is
[michigander0131] they are all free sites run by ordinary citezens like us
[michigander0131] if he was out it would be there
[michigander0131] just like if new money was there and also rv
[michigander0131] tumbleweed just a little of where i get my news
[michigander0131] most of the time from kuwaait jordan and turkey
[BamaSteve] michigander0131 Since it is about 11:00PM there who knows.
[michigander0131] BamaSteve right im sure dinar detectives are right lol

[michigander0131] cant give that //from what i see they are moving along with there plan they laid out back in dec 2011 of a three phase currency reform and as per the article i put in here earlier they are now in phase 2 so hoping they move to phase 3 in early 2013

[michigander0131] and that is where i stand hoping in the first 3 months of new year we see some movement
[michigander0131] there is still some work to be done over there
ichigander0131] but i know peeps dont agree with what i say but i have been saying it for a year now/and untill i see something that tells me im on wrong track ill stick with it
[swampyjackpot] michigander0131 So are you thinkn that it will be another 3 months before it pops??
[duffy2] From PTR call: Tony said other countries have announced the RV of their currencies for Jan 3rd. Said everything in Iraq done and no hold ups there. Expects it to be announced anytime from now to Wednesday. Could be later, but really expects it this week. Nothing negative out there he says.
[michigander0131] swampyjackpot did not say that hoping that it is before /but who knows could be that long
[michigander0131] duffy2 well the nothing negative part is right //it is moving in right diresction
[michigander0131] everyone have a wonderfull new year and will see you all in the new year

A CHART THAT SURE SHOW A RV OF $2.08 FOR DE DONG CURRENCY, 31 DEC


[Shining] gm Happy New Years Eve :

[flashing] GJHHonor lot of people waiting for the train tonight rv. they expect to have a big party in 2013 and hosting rv

[cashinqueen] Shining whats your thought on Tom Heneghan on your blog. he seems to think that the dark side is still in control ..As the year 2012 comes to an end, forces close to the U.S. military are reporting that U.S. President Barack Obama continues to be blackmailed by the Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate

[Shining] cashinqueen it is quickly being brought to a close as indicated

 [spiritfilled] Here is another "imminent" settlement regarding banks abd the bad foreclosures...interesting http://www.cnbc.com/id/100345785

[Jester] got something for you guys... http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/charts?symbol=usd/vnd#symbol=USD/VND&event=&BB=off&CCI=off&EMA=off&FSO=off&MACD=off&MFI=off&PSAR=off&RSI=off&SMA=off&SSO=off&Volume=off&period=1m&line&scale=Auto&comparelist=$indu,$compx,$inx

 [Jester] chart well all the way down to 2.08

[puppylove] Jester at zero??

[Jester] puppylove nope - looks like 0 since the scale is small but settled at 2.08

 [Jester] burk50 VND went from 20,800 to 2.08 on this chart

 [burk50] Does this mean VND T 2 plus?
misskitty05] Jester has the VND rv'd?

[burk50] Jester can you explain

[Jester] misskitty05 cant answer that but the chart sure looks like it... the question is can ya really cash out of not...


[Shining] Jester I see you checked it too, amazing

[misskitty05] Jester so are we somewhere arounnd 48 cents/VND?

[jetjock] Jester wouldn't that equate to about $.48

[burk50] WOW this is Exciting make My day!!

 [Jester] Shining the weird part is if you set to one day the things blows off the history and goes to a straight 2.08

[Jester] jetjock this is true...

[burk50] Even 48cents be fab

[dinar1203] Jester before when it did this the convertor at bottom still stated the original 20,750 and this time it is not!! Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Shining] dinar1203 we are just watching it as there was a strange change in the chart

 [Shining] dinar1203 click 5D and look at it, then 1D and look, it's totally different

[dinar1203] Shining correct and last time the chart did not change last time either! this time it has

[Shining] dinar1203 yes

[burk50] Shining what does this mean,?

[dinar1203] Shining netdania is still old rate tho!

[Shining] burk50 we don't know for sure, just watching it, but appears some changes are being made

[citizenbob] There are three and possibly four distribution releases. The present 336,000+/- package releases from numerous programs. THIS IS HOT NOW - ANY MOMENT! This is to jump start the New Treaury Banks with the new Gold Backed Currency.http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/urgent-notice-to-people-of-united-states.html
[citizenbob] thats what it says

[sng4him] Shining Jester what are you guys looking at?

[Shining] yes rates have not changed but charting did, we just watch and see what it means

 [dinar1203] Shining agreed

The IMF confirmed a value of somewhere around eight cents a long time ago, 31 DEC

The IMF confirmed a value of somewhere around eight cents a long time ago
12-30-12 Rebel: Finally, someone with a little sense and helpful info shows up in a post! Kap, I really appreciate you info and thoughts. I think you are spot on with the two most likely options that are on the table. I agree with BlueDog on Shabs having reduced the dinar on the streets, but cannot get a handle on how much dinar is still out there floating around.
It is my understanding that the IMF confirmed a value of somewhere around eight cents a long time ago when there was supposed to be around 30 trillion dinar. A lot of things have happened since then, including but not limited to, significant O & G development and production, apparently significant gold reserves, infrastructure development, and much more.
It seems to me that IF the supply of dinar has been significantly reduced that something around a 1 to 1 could easily be justified and supported without creating major inflationary problems internally. It’s obvious they could save a load of money with a float, because at any price of a few cents and up to a dollar there are going to be a lot of cash-ins.
Anyway, it beats talking about bigfoot and other nonsense. Hope you and BlueDog keep on sharing your info and thoughts. Obviously, a lot of dinarians need to get a dose of reality on a regular basis.

DISCUSSION OF MAILMAN, 31 DEC


  mailman17 (09:24:28):    MORNING...I MISSED ST LOU'S VULCAN MIND MELD...PLEASE START OVER    TESTING...1,2,3,    ANYONE HOME?

    FITTER 1: i hear ya mailman, loud and clear

    mailman17: HEY FITTER..LONG TIME

    FITTER 1: i have been here just dont talk much

    mailman17:    ME TOO...THE CHAT IS GONG QUITE SMOOTH...BUT ALWAYS WATCHING...    I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH

    FITTER 1:    yes, i found its more fun to watch sometimes    ok, go

    mailman17:    TRUST ME...I WANTED TO JUMP IN MANY TIMES,,,BUT WE ARE ON TIME    OK..HERE'S THE ?    READY

    FITTER 1: yep

    mailman17:    PUT YOUR THINKING CAP ON FOR THIS ONE    WHY    WOULD IRAQ BUY 32 TONS OF GOLD...NOT KNOWING GOLDS FUTURE?   THE ANSWER IS A 3 PARTER    SHOOT
     FITTER 1: hedging a bet, but with inside knowledge, back dinar value along with oil

    mailman17:  BINGO    AS PER IMF AND WITH THE BLESSING OF THE WTO    WHY THE WTO?    AND WHY SUCH HURRIEDNESS

    FITTER 1: the wto is a backdoor partner in this

    mailman17:    EXACTLY    KNOWING IRAQS ASCENSION    SOON    THEY ALONG WITH THE IMF...KNOW IRAQ HAS TO BACK IT WITH MORE THAN HARD CURRENCY    DOLLAR, YUAN AND EURO

    FITTER 1: as any other country does

    mailman17:    MOST WITH A PROVEN RECORD DON'T...IRAQ DOESN’T FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY    US DOESN’T    AS MOST POWER COUNTRIES    BUT    IF    THEY WERE TO ASSUME AS A LEADING GULF CURRENCY    THEY MUST

    FITTER 1: correct, ever since reagan took us off the gold standard, we have felt no boundaries

    mailman17:    CORRECT    AND...ALL BEHIND THE SCENE    THE WTO PLAUDED IRAQ    AND THAT STATES SOMETHING    NOW    THE POLITICAL TURMOIL IS NOW AT A HEAD

    FITTER 1: same old story, 2 plus 2 is 4 no matter how you play with it

    mailman17:    YEP    IT ALSO TELLS ME THE GOLD STANDARD AND PRICE INT GOING ANYWHERE....MOST LIKELY WILL BE STABLE AT WHERE IT IS

    FITTER 1:    agreed    for now anyway

    mailman17:    HENCE IRAQ BUTING SO MUCH TO BACK THEIR OWN CURRENCY...WHICH IN TURN BACKS A GLOBAL MINDSET    YES..FOR NOW...LOL   THE DINAR WAS BUILT TO SUCCEED    JUST TAKING A BIT LONGER THAN PLANNED    NOW    MALIKI ON THE OTHER HAND    (6)    I REALLY DON'T SEE HIM BEING IN POWER MUCH LONGER

    IRAQS CHOICE IS TO WAIT TILL ELECTIONS....OR NO VOTE NOW    I CAN;T SEE THEM WAITING TILL MARCH    ESPECIALLY WITH THE TURMOIL IN THE STREETS...WHICH IS GREAT BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTED A LONG TIME AGO

    THE PEOPLE HAVE GROWN A PAIR    BOUT TIME    AND THAT WILL BE MALIKIS DEMISE    WHICH    IS WHY THE US AND POWERS TO BE HAVE KEPT OUT OF IT    THEY MUST MAKE IT LOOK AND APPEAR TO BE THE PEOPLES CHOICE    AND NOT OUTSIDE INTERESTS

    AND THERE IS A LOT OF OUTSIDE INTEREST THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME    MONEY    MONEY    MONEY    AND THAT MONEY CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER

    WE ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PEONS IN THIS    BUT NONETHELESS....A BIG PART OF THE SCENARIO

    THIS JUST MAY PUT A HAMPER ON MY JAN 1 PREDICTION...ESPECIALLY SEEING AS THE BUDGET HAS NOT YET BEEN DONE AND RATIFIED    BUT

    russell: mailman window from jan. to march

    mailman17:    I DON'T THINK I AM THAT TOO WAY OFF THE TIMELINE    JAN    NOT MAR    IMO

    russell: great

    mailman17:    DON'T CELEBRATE YET RUSSELL

    WE SHALL SEE

    russell:

    mailman17:   IRAQ HAS PLENTY TO OFFER THE WTO    AND HAS PLENTY TO BACK THE DINAR    NOW    INCLUDING GOLD    BUT SO NOT FORGET THE ARTICLES REFERRING PHOSPHORUS AND GAS ALONG WITH GOLD    AND OIL    THAT IS WHAT THE IMF AND THE WTO LOOK AT

    AND GETTING THE GDP MANAGEABLE    SANCTIONS?    STILL THERE    AND WILL BE    BUT    ART 140 IS ALMOST THERE    AGREEMENT WITH THE KURDS AS FAR AS ART 140 IS DONE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL    THE HCL BEING PART OF IT WAS NEVER IN JEOPARDY    JUST NOT ACTIVATED

    SO CHAP 7 SHOULD BE THE UNS CALL FOR NOW    AND I DON'T SEE THEM GETTING IT AS LONG AS MALIKIS IN POWER    BUT    THE CLOCK IS TICKING    MALIKI WISE    AND YOU GUYS THOUGHT WATERGATE WAS A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK...LOL

    mpw: lol

    SpankyI:

    mailman17:    THE PWTB HAD....TO LET THIS PLAY OUT...BUT I AM SURE THEY ALSO KNEW MALIKI WOULD EVENTUALLY HANG HIMSELF...AS BASED ON THE FILES THEY HAD IN HAND    CORRUPTION WISE   IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME

    I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT MALIKIS FRIENDS ARE EVER SLOWLY DWINDLING DOWN TO JUST HIS LIMO DRIVER AND RESTROOM ATTENDANT    (6)    STAY FOCUSED GUYS....THE NEWS IS OUTSTANDING    JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONGER

    mpw: ty mm17

    mailman17: THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ HAD HAD ENOUGH...AND THEY NOW KNOW...THERE IS POWER IN NUMBERS...AND THEIR VOICE WILL FINALLY BE HEARD...AND THE GOI CANNOT LET IT GO WITHOUT REPERCUSSION

    russell: ty mm17

    DodgerBoy: Thanks MM17, I appreciate your take

    mailman17:    THE PEOPLES VOICE JUST MAY BE THE STRAW WE WERE LOOKING FOR    THE FINAL PIECE    YVW    GOTTA RUN....HAVE A GREAT DAY

    luce1216: Thanks MM17

    lmdinar: (})

    mailman17: (})

    jon: thanks mm17

    mailman17: YW

    FITTER 1: about time they wised up to whats going on, could you imgine this happemning here, wow what a uproar would be made

    boomer: thanks MM

    bulldog23: (lol)

    mailman17: AND AGAIN...I TRULY THANK ALL OUR NEWS HOUNDS IN BRINGING IN WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW...ON A DAILY BASIS....KUDOS

    lmdinar: ditto

    mailman17: HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND A HEALTHY ONE AS WELL

    ranjoesgirl: thank you MM17

    mailman17: AND WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE...I PROMISE TO TAKE A TYPING CLASS....LOL

    FITTER 1:

    you and me both mailman1, then again why, when its over who cares............ LOL

    17    see what i mean. LOL    BBL, gotta run some errands

Sunday, December 30, 2012

AN RV THEORY- DEC 31, 2012


Sunday, October 7, 2012


An RV Theory - Dec 31st, 2012

An RV Theory - Dec 31st, 2012

This is a synopsis by KingDinar

My hopes is this will be a history lesson as well as a detailed theory of the Iraq RV that does nothing more than make you think, maybe bring you to a calm state in your investment.

Iraq plans to remove 3 zero’s. This is not a new plan. Actually, this was a designed plan that began back in 2004. In 2004, Iraq came out with the 25 Dinar and 100 Dinar coins.

Stop and think for a minute. This was a time when the Dinar was well into 3500 Dinars to 1 US Dollar. Why in the world would a country bring out a coin so low in value during this particular time?

Reason is, they were planning to drop the 3 zeros way back in 2004. When it didn’t happened as planned, and they had the coins distributed throughout the country, people were so angry that they were throwing them in the streets.

I have been collecting articles since 2005, and last year my computer crashed and lost it all. I spent the last two weeks digging up as many articles I could before presenting this. Some, the important ones, I will have links to, others I have copied from other sites in their archives. While collecting these articles, I created a timeline for the last 7 years which displays each article, and who was quoted in the article. Then as the time went, and if it was later found to be true, they got a green check ✓, if untrue they got a red X .
The reason I did this was so I could tell over time, who was the ones to listen to and who not to.

Surprising, Saleh and Shabibi, both from CBI, were the only two over 7 years that spoke truths.

Also, please understand when we translate the articles, using whatever source (Google, etc) it never comes out correctly, which is why you see things as watermelon and others pop up. Also the past, present, and future tense gets scrambled in the translations. My two friends, one in Jordan and the other in Turkey assists me in translating many of these articles rather than using the translators so common mistakes are not made. Back to the theory.

Iraq has tried to RV their currency every year from 2005 to 2008
without success as you already know. What started out to be a fix for the US situation, turned out to actually be a global fix as has been stated. Why they did not try to RV their currency from 18 January, 2009 - 16 January 2012, was due to an agreement Iraq had with the IMF to show they could keep inflation down for 3 years without changing their currency rate. Funny thing is, not one person caught this during these 3 years. During this time, the Iraq Dinar was bought like crazy as many stated it was going to RV so many times during this 3 year period.

My thought was this was intentional, not by our gurus, but by our
government. Our government wanted US citizens to buy the Dinars like they were going out of style. Why? Well, one reason, tax dollars on RV time. Secondly, I believe the US wanted a certain amount obtained by us which it turn would be the global currency needed along side of gold for when the global reset occurs. Thirdly, this was needed to assist Iraq in raising their cash on hand. As I am sure many other countries have also done. Now I mentioned global reset for a reason and will back it with articles to prove this. Iraq Dinar will be the global currency that will sit with gold in each country to back each countries currencies.

The reason Iraq was picked (by the world) to be the world financial fix was they are the only country in the world that has a currency that can be backed by cash in hand. Iraq already is a gold backed country (black gold and real gold). Also a snippet taken from this article LINK : http://caribbeanbusinesspr.com/news0...=68200&ct_id=1
“As Iraq — with one of the world’s largest untapped oil
deposits—continues to increase its oil production output for export, the discovery of large quantities of gold changes the economic landscape for the Middle Eastern country.” Another article stated Iraq is pulling more ounces of gold from the ground per day than they are barrels of oil per day.

Now we saw it mentioned probably 6 to 10 times each year from 2005 to 2011 talking about (lifting, removing, deleting, or lower denoms)currency adjustments. During 2006 through 2009 so many referred to this as a LOP when in truth it was the opposite. Some stated it was removing 3 zeros from $0.00085, others thought it was removing the Dinars with 3 zeros on it. The whole time it was referring to bringing in a new set of currencies to go with the currency they already have.


It wasn’t until 2012, that we really started seeing many articles
referencing deleting the zeros. And in 2012, we know parliament
finally agreed and supported this to happen. If any saw the London website where it had the picture of the 25,000 Iraq dinar and the caption above stating Maliki approved and the statement below that said CBI was planning to drop the zeros. Why do you think Iraq felt they needed to add this on this website. So the heavy investors could see, Iraq is ready. Iraq, is a safe and wealthy place to invest. Also remember that every country Central Bank directors were at this meeting in addition to WB, IMF, WTO, and the UN. This little picture of the 25000 Dinar was a huge statement to all of these folks.

Iraq has all along had the plan to add new bills to the currency they already have. You have to remember, Iraq has only one country to mimic a democratic country by, and that’s USA. So they are doing exactly what we have already done. We had the $10,000, $5,000 and $1,000 bills and slowly removed them from circulation. They still exist, just used between banks. Now we have the $100 and lower bills. Iraq is printing (some say its printed already but I can show they are wrong) new bills with lower numbers or values just as we did. Then when they come out, they will draw in the larger notes which will be the global currency used just by Central Banks. They never intended to replace the currency we have.

Now to quickly show they have not completed printing the new currency,I have an article LINK
http://translate.google.com/translat...100192&act=url that is Shabibi telling the people and Parliament in a press release that the new currency will not be ready in time (1 January 2013) and not to worry as Shabibi says we have plenty of coinage in the vaults from 2004 and 2005 to use until the new currency is ready. Here is how it is stated
below:

Quote: “Noted that the central bank has reserves currency so that they can in the process of deletion of zeros and coverage significantly.”

Also in this article, the deputy governor of CBI Mohammed Saleh states that the delete the 3 zeros (RV) needs to be at the beginning of the fiscal year (1 January). As this snippet taken from an article on 23 July 2012.

CBI: Zero’s must drop at beginning of year; Would cause accounting problems


July 23rd, 2012

The deputy governor of the Central Bank of the appearance of Mohammed Saleh (Center Brief for the Iraqi Media Network) that “the project to delete the three zeroes from the Iraqi currency needs a new financial period, because all accounts start the new currency may be registered books accounting currency different from the work recorded the beginning of the year “.

Now, since we have not RV’d at this time. And everything I want to get in here I can’t as to its size, let me hit the point that it is easy to know when it will be. LINK
http://translate.google.com/translat...iew_33268.html In this article we have it too plainly stated, as well as this 2010 article snippet
below:

Central Bank: raise three zeroes from the Iraqi currency will not be two years ago

(correctly translated is “for 2 more years”)
26.05.2010
Hassan Rashed Widened in recent calls to the Central Bank of Iraq need to direct project raise three zeroes from the local currency, in the background of the increased security risks faced by the transfer of banknotes between banks and their branches in Baghdad and the provinces, as well and leading the other caused by the wide circulation of large amounts of Iraqi currency, which suffered from chronic inflation back to almost three decades.


Despite the approval by the Iraqi Finance to draft up zeroes, but the central bank adviser, Dr. appearance of Mohammed Saleh says the issue is not as urgent cases and it is linked to achieving full economic stability in Iraq. He explained the appearance of Mohammed Saleh in a statement to Radio Free Iraq that the process of initiating a zeros will not be two years ago. (remember past, present, future is distorted when using translators)


My interpretation is: Basically saying that the process of dropping the 3 zeros will not be for 2 more years.


So basically we are at the end of our journey. We have maybe less than 90 days to go to never wait for this anymore. Be done, fineto, over with. Hang in there. Your really going to enjoy the rate. No where near what most predict. Definitely higher. Clue: the longer they waited, the more of a fix that is needed, the more valuable your dinars have become.


Bless to all.

GETTING WORD THAT THE DINAR IS ACTIVE IN EUROPE RIGHT NOW AT .30 BEING TRADED, 30 DEC

[TERRYK] HEY ALL
[TERRYK] I DON'T THINK I WILL BE BACK IN HOUSTON
[TERRYK] GETTING WORD THAT THE DINAR IS ACTIVE IN EUROPE RIGHT NOW AT .30 BEING TRADED
[TERRYK] ANYONE HEARING OF THIS
[TERRYK] HAVE GOTTEN 2 CALLS ABOUT THIS TONIGHT
[TERRYK] I DONT HAVE ANY LEGS ON THIS OTHER THAN CALLS COMING IN
[TERRYK] TINA SORRY ABOUT YOUR LOSS
[TERRYK] SO WE SIT HERE AN WAIT
[TERRYK] FOR THE WORD AGAIN
[Mimirose] TK  If this is true, does that mean we have a float coming in so low?IDK 
[TERRYK] DID MISS WAITING 4 RV AGAIN
[rgone]  TK  .30 sounds like it might be speculators though.
[TERRYK] MIMI IF IT DOES COUME OUT LOW
[TERRYK] AND RGONE IS RIGHT
[TERRYK] THAT THIS WILL GO THRU THE ROOF WITHIN 24 HOURS
 [TERRYK] SPECULATORS WILL EAT IT UP DRIVING THE VALUE THRU THE ROOF
[greek1212] TK What about the vnd? 
[mimirose] TK Thanks....feel much better now.
[TERRYK] STILL HEARING IT'S AT .478
[TERRYK] JUST NOT ON FOREX
[TERRYK] I WILL SAY THIS RGONE
[jma857] Hi - it may be 1 divided by .3 X 1.5 GBP which would put it at approx $5 USD!
[TERRYK] I KNOW OF A GROUP THAT PLACED A 1,000,000 DINAR ORDER YESTERDAY
[TERRYK] SORRY 1,000,000 USD FOR DINAR ORDER
[TERRYK] THAT'S OVER 1 BILLION IN DINAR
[tradewind1] Wow
[rgone] TK  Christ! 
[TERRYK] SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL U
[greek1212] did the order get filled?
[TERRYK] NOT YET
[TERRYK] THE WIRE WENT THRU
[kaycee] Good gawd
[TERRYK] THE DINAR IS LOCKED IN
[TERRYK] THE WIRE POSTS IN THE AM
[TERRYK] THIS WAS DONE LATE SATURDAY
[TERRYK] SO THESE INVESTMENT GUYS MUST KNOW SOMETHING
[TERRYK] THEY DONT PLAY LIKE THAT
[rgone] TK You're right...    
[tobydinar] TK you still have a contact saying March?
[TERRYK] I DO TOBY
[TERRYK] MARCH 15TH
[TERRYK] BUT HE SAID THAT TWO MONTHS AGO
[TERRYK] THEN LAST MONTH HE TOLD ME THE DATE CHANGED TO BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR
 [TERRYK] SO HE IS FLIP FLOP
[rgone] TKThe ides of March killed Caesar.    
[TERRYK] I THINK THAT'S AFTER THE ELECTION AGAIN IS IT NOT
[TERRYK] DO THEY NOT HAVE A PM ELECTION COMING UP
[tobydinar] Sounds like most intel sources are flip flop
 [TERRYK] I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYMORE
[TERRYK] MEDS
[TERRYK] TOBY I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE THAT I THINK THAT SO MANY CHANGES OCCUE DAILY THEY GIVE WHAT THEY HAVE AT THE MOMENT THEY GET IT
[TERRYK] AND PASS IT ON
[TERRYK] WANT THE CLAIM THAT THEY PASSED ON THE INFO LATER
[TERRYK] KEEP IN MIND I HAVE A FEW SOURCES THAT I HAVE OFFERED $$$ FOR THE CORRECT INFO ON THE RIGHT RV INFO
[TERRYK] TO GET AS MUCH AS I CAN RIGHT WRONG WHATEVER
 [TERRYK] TO PASS ONTO YOU ALL
[DISHMAN] If gurus didn't pass on what they hear nobody would be here asking what's going on...
[rgone]  TK December / January / March / who cares as long as it comes in strong...    
[TERRYK] YOU KNOW RGONE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS SO LONG YOU'RE RIGHT
[tooldog48]  TK we very much appreciate all you bring thanks!!
[TERRYK] I KNOW IT'S COMING
[TERRYK] AND SOON
[TERRYK] I KNOW THE GOOD LORD HAS BLESSED ME OVER AND OVER AND OVER
[TERRYK] WHAT MORE CAN I ASK FOR
[TERRYK] THIS IS ON HIS TIME
[TERRYK] NOT OURS
[greek1212] if it's showing in Europe when do you think we will see it? or can see it?
[TERRYK] GREEK I HAVE LOOKED I DON'T SEE IT
[TERRYK] BUT I HAVE GOTTEN TWO CALLS FROM PEEPS THAT HAVE CONTACTS OVER IN EUROPE TELLING ME THIS
[kellee] Hi, I am a newbee. Are you saying the dinar is in the trade market in Europe. How does this affect us, our markets are closed til Wednesday.
[TERRYK] I THINK RGONE WAS RIGHT 
[TERRYK] I THINK THIS IS PRIVATE INVESTORS SUCKING IT UP
[kellee] Hi, I am a newbee. Are you saying the dinar is in the trade market in Europe. How does this affect us, our markets are closed til Wednesday.
[firecarl] I'm as stupid as stupid is ....come on you stinkin' IQD Rv
[TERRYK] I DONT KNOW KELLEE, IF THIS IS TRUE ABOUT OUR MARKETS THIS WOULD BE THE PERFECT TIME FOR THIS TO HAPPEN
[firecarl] TK make it happen and I'll buy you a trip to Tastee Treat for a free ice cream with all da fixin's
[TERRYK] WOW FIRECARL
[TERRYK] THANKS
[TERRYK] AND TO THINK I HAVE SOME OFFERING ME CARS, CAMPERS (RV'S) FINALLY SOMETHING I CAN SINK MY TEETH INTO
[TERRYK]  lol
[msjeta1] TK but the question is are you feeling better tonight??
[tina] kellee He didn't say it was fact, he said he heard. We will just have to wait and see ..
[TERRYK] NOT MUCH MSJ THE MRS IS DOWN WITH THE CRUD NOW AS WELL
[firecarl] TK - just for you ole buddy
[Midnight Blue] We have heard bthis before. What happened last time? Do you remember/
[msjeta1] TKtell me my hubby, my daughter and her hubby all have it
[firecarl] makes me wanna cry that this to be true sometimes
[noah]  TK Alka seltzer cold and flu work good
[TERRYK] I'M ABOUT TO TAKE THE OLD CURE
[TERRYK] WHISKEY AND HONEY
[lynnieq100] There ya go TK, that works every time! Thanks and goodnight!
[cjswest] sounds good TK
[noah]  TK that works good too
[greek1212]  TK that always works best
[firecarl] gotta a call today from a old buddy that havne't heard from for awhile today ... felt good to hear from him and we still hold on to "one day"
[rgone] Whisky and honey; now you're talking. - And if you run out of honey it's no big deal.    
[jymshus] TK   when i get the flu i have to sweat it out. eat some chicken noodle soup, drink 7up and get under the blankets and break a sweat.
[msjeta1]  TK just had a friend check and they say both UK and France at 1160 to 1165
[TERRYK] THANKS MSJ LIKE I SAID I THINK IT'S PRIVATE PEEPS SUCKING UP DINAR
[TERRYK] AND AGAIN RUMOR
[DISHMAN] Firecarl very soon I believe
[rgone]  TK If speculators are actually paying .30 which is a high price in comparison to what we're paying, they've GOT to know something.
[firecarl] pinch ( 15 year old scotch ) does the trick every time
[DISHMAN] There is no better timing than now
[firecarl] DISHMAN - ya think so , but ... i've been throusgh so many of these runs
[bamatom] TK Just drink some Jack Daniels Honey Whiskey :))
[TERRYK] AGAIN PLEASE TREAT THAT AS RUMOR AS I HAD GOTTEN TWO CALLS TODAY FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES TELLING ME THIS
[holistichealth] TK - this is a remedy that has been passed along --- rub VICKS on the soles of both your feet (make sure they are clean) and then put on white socks; you should be feeling so much better in the morn (for your wife as well); Try it, its easy enough : )
[tradewind1]  TK why would they pay that if the dinars dealers still selling?
[rgone] tradewind1 Not all countries allow selling like we do.
[TERRYK] THANKS RGONE WAS ON A PM
[Midnight Blue]  TK is there a relationship between the fiscal cliff and the rv that you know of? If so, what? 
[TERRYK] THATS CORRECT SOME COUNTIES DONT HAVE ACCESS TO THE DINAR
[TERRYK] LIKE US NOT HAVING ACCESS TO DONG
[TERRYK] OR DINAR FOR HOW THAT GOES
[TERRYK] WE JUST KNOW DEALERS THAT HAVE IT HERE IN THE STATES
[kellee] so "if" it is in the European market, does that guarantee it will be in our market?
[TERRYK] WHEN I SAY MARKET I'M TALKING ABOUT IN EUROPE NOT IN THE STOCK MARKET
[TERRYK] SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING
[kellee] So does that mean the dealers are selling the dinars at a higher price in Europe? Sorry for the ignorance.
[TERRYK] THIS IS NOT THRU A DEALER IN EUROPE
[kellee] ok. I am soooo lost
[TERRYK] IN FACT I WOULD SAY THERE IS NOT A DEALER IN EUROPE
[TERRYK] THAT I KNOW OF SELLING DINAR 
[TERRYK] OR DONG
[TERRYK] THEY ARE NOT LIKE IT IS HERE IN USA
[TERRYK] MOST PLACES YOU HAVE TO GO THRU A CURRENCY EXCHANGE LOCATION
[TERRYK] OVER THERE
[TERRYK] PERIOD
[TERRYK] OK ALL I'M OFF TO TAKE SOME MEDS AGAIN
[TERRYK] GOD BLESS YOU ALL 
[Kennypth] gwattbp ...yes, please....for me too.
[TERRYK] AND KEEP IN MIND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO STILL HAPPEN LATE TONIGHT
[TERRYK] WHAT I'M BEING TOLD
[TERRYK] SO WATCH FOR IT
[TERRYK] I GUESS
[TERRYK] TREAT THAT AS RUMOR AS ALWAYS
[TERRYK] BUT HEARING GOTTA HAPPEN BEFORE THE 1ST
[TERRYK] NIGHT ALL

THERE WAS A BIG MEETING IN IRAQ TODAY, IT ALL APPEARS TO BE GOOD, 30 DEC

[BOBGETZ6] Per my frozen friend....There was a big meeting in Iraq today with a lot of key people. There was a lot of hugging, smiling and back slapping. It all appears to be good. I have nothing more.  It appears to be very encouraging.

[book2] BOBGETZ6 What is a frozen friend?

[BOBGETZ6] book2 That which is not thawed out. Just trust me.

[SWFloridaGuy] BOBGETZ6 You said key people, which key people?

[SWFloridaGuy] BOBGETZ6 Good to see you by the way and happy new years eve. :)

[BOBGETZ6] SWFloridaGuy Just repeating what I heard, was not informed of the names. Not going to get in a contest. This came from Iraq conatcts of frozen friend.

[SWFloridaGuy] BOBGETZ6 Ok I appreciate you passing it on thanks.

[BOBGETZ6] It  will be in the news tomorrow, per frozen friend.

[SWFloridaGuy] BOBGETZ6 Well, we'll keep our eyes open tomorrow then.

SWFloridaGuy] BOBGETZ6 Now we just need them to start dancing in the streets and we'll be ready to have new years party. :)

[BOBGETZ6] SWFloridaGuy They do that for hangings and weddings as well, so who knows