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Tuesday, December 13, 2011

JONNY POST tonight 13 DEC


jonnywg] My Friends, I hope we wake up with a pleasant surprise tomorrow. However it appears the Delay of game penalties are over and we should see the results by Thursday. FYI Maliki is back toi IRAQ. Has a meeting with Shabibi and alawi and Talibani. A wake up call I believe.
Erbil is done and will release, Chapter 7 SB released within a day. All Bank screens are still showing 00.0000 and the banks are tanking profits daily. Rumour is delay was caused by some currencies being overvalued …..but the are going trough. ALL TECHNICIANS are on alert tonight. The EURO is ready to collapsse and Rome Burns,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, WE ARE ROME. and we hope this silliness is finished before Friday…….. I look to tomorrow

BONDLADY & PROTEUS CHAT 13 DEC

BondLady] hi there proteus
[BondLady] every one
[Proteus] Hello all... afternoon... to everyone
[BondLady] id like u to meet proteus
[BondLady] he owns the revalue.us site now
[BondLady] he took it over from david when david left to become a broker
[grashopa] Proteus ....hello, and welcome to BLC
[BondLady] say hi ev 1
[Proteus] so how is everyone today..
[BondLady] great
[BondLady] i been ribbin ev 1 up on u
[Proteus] thanks greash
[BondLady] theve got a lot of questions
[dianna] Hi there Proteus
[BondLady] but kick back a few an get to know us 1st
[BondLady] were a good group
[Proteus] whoa... lot of questions...
[Proteus] OK... all right
[TheRock] Proteus turn the air conditioner on
[Proteus] so i don't know many here... but if I can answer any of your questions about ReValue, and "The Community HUB" and the way or direwction it is going... ask away
[TheRock] Proteus I have a few questions and when we are ready I will ask..
[Proteus] hey to start out with... if my fingers type faster than my mind can tell them which keys to hit... please excuse me!
[BondLady] if u dont mind proteus im gonna copy us all and put it in my chat section
[Proteus] copy away...
[grashopa] Proteus ......what a cool name you have. Where did ya get that from??
[Proteus] well thats a good question... My name Proteus comes from the most basic element of a PROTEIN... a proteus, but it also come from a myth of a sea god that had the ability to change form anyway he needed to relate to the different creatures in the sea
[Proteus] I 1st found about this name in HG wells "War of the Worlds" [grashopa] Proteus .....very cool
[priscilla927] Proteus Isn't that a character in The Matrix, too? I could be wrong....
[Proteus] well I can read ok... as long as I can keep up with the question... I'll be ok... unless you want me to change color for your members benefit
[Proteus] I must say I have seen all of the matrix triligy and i have never heard of it there, but I might have overlooked it
[TheRock] Proteus we are glad you came here to visit and have us ask you questions
[TheRock] Proteus How long have you been invested in the Iraq Dinar?
[Proteus] perfect... I just hope I can answer your questions with something you want to hear
[BondLady] just be honest
[BondLady] and give us your true opinons
[BondLady] we use our own brains here
[TheRock] Proteus How long have you been invested in the Iraq Dinar?
[BondLady] we dont have to be spoon fed even tho we like it
[Proteus] I have been in the dinar for over 3 1/2 years, and vested in it for 2 years... I am not a longtimer as many are, but a very fast learner
[Proteus] I started out with the buy right away, it's happening now or tomorrow, and found out that it is a different story... it is an investment like many other in life
[BondLady] when i talked to proteus on the phone earlier
[TheRock] Proteus thank you fro being honest.. thats important.. many here have been in this since the very beginning
[BondLady] we talked about iraq culture
[BondLady] an how they like to argue and barter on ev thing
[BondLady] so he does know there culture
[TheRock] Proteus It was stated that Shabibi said he would revalue the currency after there is a complete GOI. Has the GOI been completed or is the GOI complete by proxy of the remaining seats like the security minister?
[BondLady] makein it a lot easier to understand the articles
[Proteus] well i think there is more than a complete GOI to be accomplished...
[grashopa] ...hey you all just coming in....we are doing a Q & A with Proteus ...the new owner of Revalue.US....
[TheRock] Proteus does teh GOI need to be complete for a RV?
[Proteus] the ministerys that are proxied are there, they can fill in, this is not the main stopping point in my mind
[Proteus] the situation is that there are things that need to happen 1st
[BondLady] ok 1 question at a time plz
[BondLady] rocks 1st
[BondLady] [TheRock] Proteus It was stated that Shabibi said he would revalue the currency after there is a complete GOI. Has the GOI been completed or is the GOI complete by proxy of the remaining seats like the security minister?
[BondLady] we will try to get them all
[Proteus] shabibi today was in from of the parliamentary ministry for economy and investments...
[Proteus] this is a prelude to having PARLIAMENT vote on a law to change the currency
[Proteus] shabibi can not just pull the trigger and make things happen
[Proteus] he is the governer of the CBi
[dianna] Proteus.... Do u think Iraq has to rv there curruancy first before Chap 7 will b lifted or could it b the other way around?
[Proteus] and he is an ADVISOR to the parliament in matter of banking
[Proteus] but he can not do this on his own
[Proteus] he needs parliament ot vote it into happening
[TheRock] Proteus There have been many articles out saying Iraq has its full sovereignty or will have after all our troops leave. In your opinion does Iraq have that status now and if not what is needed to obtain it?
[Proteus] and then Parliament will instruct the Finance Ministry to comply with shabibi
[BondLady] any 1 so as not to miss any 1 plz im grashopa an let him copy each question an he will ask them for u
[Proteus] as shabibi has said in the past he needs the help of the finance minisrty for the mechanism to be successful
[Proteus] and this is relative to getting the money for the monetary sytem to be converted
[Proteus] should i continue... or did i answer your question
[TheRock] Proteus yes you answered it ty
[Proteus] perfect
[TheRock] There have been many articles out saying Iraq has its full sovereignty or will have after all our troops leave. In your opinion does Iraq have that status now and if not what is needed to obtain it? Do they need full sovereignty to revalue its currency?
[Proteus] ROCK, regardless what articles say... as most articles are the opinion or relaied statement inturpretated by the editor...
[Proteus] Iraq will not be fuly sovereign until they are ANNOUNCED out of chaptor 7
[Proteus] and news agencies can't do that, the UNSC is whom will declare that
[Proteus] is that what ya wanted?
[TheRock] Proteus just your thoughts is what I am looking for ty
[Proteus] oh a 2nd part of the question... that'll teach me to read the whole question before I start typing
[TheRock] Stressing that "the world view to the Iraqi dinar because of the loss of sovereignty would be a diminution of the dinar and the evacuation of troops will raise the value of Iraqi dinar What do you make of this art?http://translate.google. ··· 269.html
[Proteus] the article... well I fully believe that Iraq wants to declare that they are on their own feet, and that is is not up to the sactioners to allow them to Rv the currency
[Proteus] so I believe that they will not do anything this important to their global image until after the occupier have left
[Proteus] mainly into next year
[TheRock] Proteus but sovereignty plays a big part in the revaluation?
[Proteus] we will leave some trainers and support personnel there... but i think those troops will not matter
[Proteus] Well ofcourse... it does
[TheRock] What part does UN Sanctions Chapter 7 play in the Sovereignty of Iraq and can Iraq revalue its currency while under Chapter 7?
[Proteus] to be on your own feet, is important to any child or new situation... iraq wants to say they did it by themselves...
[TheRock] and with that question ... http://www.un.org/en/doc ··· r7.shtml Chapter 7 Article 41 clearly states that the UN may include partial or complete interruptions of economic relations AND of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance ot diplomatic realtions. It seems to me as long as Iraq is under such a powerful article they are hindered very strongly as to what they can or can not do economically. What are your thoughts on this??
[Proteus] I think the sanctions and chaptor 7 are a big thing for the image of iraq... now do they physically prevent iraq from changing their currency... maybe not... but the other processes that i did not mention from above also need to be accomplished before Iraq will RV
[Proteus] "UN may include partial or complete interruptions of economic relations..." i said that they maybe would not prevent them... it is up to the unsc to make that final decision as long as sanctions are in place
[TheRock] Proteus ty.. one last question that many think the revalue is needed..
[TheRock] With respect to the world economic situation how is Iraq a player in the scheme of things, that is, how is Iraq revaluation going to help solve the worlds economic problems?
[Proteus] well here is the deal... that is a double sided sword...
[TheRock] Proteus yes that was my thoughts also.. the UNSC has much power
[Proteus] Iraq has the largest oil reserves in the world, they just can not get to them fully yet
[Proteus] and so the US, as many other countries have made prior deals with Iraq to purchase oil at a rate far below the going price
[Proteus] and this is what will help the world when Iraq starts rendering the loans and oil back to the countries that they are indebted to for assistance
[Proteus] this is why many countries thru the paris club
[Proteus] have released their debts
[Proteus] because they have plan B's to get their value back
[Proteus] back to the question
[Proteus] ok, now many countries [Proteus] have foreign reserves also, and when the value of the Dinar raises, they stand to make a pretty penny and reduce their own debts
[Proteus] next question...
[grashopa] [RickeyT] it has been stated that Allawi retired and gave up his position, what are your feeling on that, is Allawi done?
[TheRock] Proteus ty
[Proteus] hey ROCK... no worries I'm glad to have expressed my opinion
[Proteus] NOW allawi... he's a different dude
[Proteus] he is a cry baby, and a trouble inciter... not he has no reason to be the squeeky wheel or anything
[Proteus] but he lost the election, maybe honestly or maybe it was stolden [Proteus] but either way he lost and he is the reason why this thing has drug on for over a year... inciting the blocs to not get along
[Proteus] and arguing about how he got cheated... just stand up and realize... you lost, and make the best of what remains... don't ruin the whole situation for the rest of the country
[Proteus] I think that allawi could have done some good by uniteing the different groups instead of just pulling everything apart because he thought he was going to take over if he could get Malaki out of office
[Proteus] did that answer your question?
[BondLady] rickey?
[BondLady] did that do it for u buddy
[RickeyT] Proteus no, is he going to share power w/Maliki?.
[Proteus] At this time... allawi share no prower with anyone... he turned down positions that Malaki offered to him and refused to be 2nd dog in the show... whether or not he ends up sharing power in the grand scheme of things is still to be decided... but as of now... I do not know of him having any official power in the GOI
[BondLady] if any 1 has questions plz im grashoppa and give them to him and he will ask in your name this chat is being copied so ev 1 plz sit on hands ty
[RickeyT] Proteus Thanks...
[BondLady] next
[grashopa] [vested] what are the chances that everything has been completed and just not announced ?
[Proteus] hey good question... but i do think he still has some pull with his party or bloc still...
[Proteus] ok... lets see..
[Proteus] I do believe that like with any government the GOI has a time to announce their laws and decisions, and I think it is 90 days or they have to vote again..
[Proteus] and what I mean by this is
[Proteus] that most governments have a built in delay in process for announcement to the media, this allow classified and confidential things to begin process before scalpers and weirdos take advantage of the situation
[Proteus] so if a law is voted on, then they have a set amount of time to publize it or it needs to be revoted on... but until the deadline comes about... they can withhold the announcement
[Proteus] if they do not announce the new law or ammendmant, than they go back to square one... and this was built into the situation so they could not hide laws forever and just inform you that years ago we passed something
[Proteus] ... but classifed and confidential matters can be withheld from public announce for a duration of time... which i always thought was 90 days
[Proteus] hope thats what you asked?
[vested] ok ty
[Proteus] whether or not they have done this is another matter
[Proteus] there are the steps that i was saying when I 1st got here that need to be accomplished
[Proteus] ...here is a quick list of my thoughts
[Proteus] 1st shabibi confornts the commissions
[Proteus] the commissions go to p[arliament
[Proteus] parliament votes & nbsp; [Proteus] parliament instructs the finance ministry to comply
[Proteus] the financne ministry provisions shabib with what he needs
[Proteus] shabibi orders the new currencies
[Proteus] while the new currencies are being prepared the educational program in instituted
[Proteus] then the citizens become aware of the change officially... not just rumoprs thru new paper articles of opinion or editorial
[Proteus] then the lower new denoms are released so change can be made from the big bills
[Proteus] the big bills are retained in the CBI and eventually there are now only new lower denoms in use
[Proteus] but for the monitary system to be totally converted... many things all have to happen... and many of them simultainiously
[Proteus] these are my systematic opionions of what needs to happen... step by step
[Proteus] and like
[Proteus] when i was talking to BondLady
[Proteus] I mentioned to her that HISTORY has alot to do with IRAQ
[Proteus] from before itme began they have been a bartering society, infact the whole middle east is and has been
[Proteus] so when you go shoppingin a store in the market they have something that the price is 10, they expect you to barter for it
[Proteus] so you say 2, they say 8, you say 4, they say 5 and ... that is all they ever wanted was 5 to start out with
[Proteus] but their way of life is that they love to argue or barter their way through life
[Proteus] so when you read many articles in the news
[Proteus] and you say well that has been written before... it is just a little difert twist on the same story, well this is really the news agencies bartering back and forth in their own way for the best story
[Proteus] and when
[Proteus] you read that shabibi says 000's all go away, and the ministers of the GOI say no zeros' go away
[Proteus] and back and forth, and they present so called experts... to argue their side of the deal... well this is back to that bartering nature they have instilled within them since time has began
[Proteus] so we will never know how far this goes or what the outcome will be ahead of the result... as these facts carry on...
[Proteus] next question... sorry to get off track with my opinion
[Proteus] hope that helps...
[vested] ty
[Proteus] good question...
[grashopa] SMOOTH] Since iraq has had i think 4 small rvs one would think they could rv at any time ty [Proteus] perfect... they can do anything that they want if the unsc allows them to do it before they are out of sanctions...
[Proteus] shabibi can change the rate minorly, and the interest amount minorly...
[Proteus] but to change the entire monitary system... he needs parliaments approval...
[Proteus] the CBI has kept the rate of 1170 for a long time now, and manipulated the auctions back and forth for years
[Proteus] why
[Proteus] to make the spread... the 13 dinars on the sale and buy of the dinars
[Proteus] they sell dinars and buy dollars, and then turn right around and sell dollars and buy dinars... for the spread, and in doing this so often... the rate has become relatively stable... at 1170, although when the auctions are not happening like on holidays and such, you might see the 1170 go fron 1150 to maybe 1190... as people still need conversions for thier own reasons,
[Proteus] and this process is what aloows the CBI to pay wages, from the spread on the dinar sales at auction and from the interest made on the loans thhhey have given
[Proteus] hope thats the answer you wanted... as it is what you recieved...
[SMOOTH] Proteus TY
[Proteus] thanks for asking
[grashopa] [Fast Eddie] after listen to Randy on currency chatter last night he said they need to RV before they can can out of chapter 7 your opinion on this please
[SMOOTH] Proteus ill send ya my book
[TheRock] Proteus excellent reply ty
[Proteus] perfect and I will sign your book and send it back... ; [Proteus] ok... now for randy and his chatter...
[Proteus] I do believe that this does fall within the they do not have to realloy be out of sanctions to do it, will they get out of sanctions for doing it NO...
[Proteus] the revampment of the monitary system is a requirement for the sanctions to be lifted... but they can stay at the same rate, and simply say that this rate is working to curb inflation, to energize the economy, and to intice forewign investors that way it is
[Proteus] now is this true... well kinda it is
[Proteus] but
[Proteus] they need to have a internationally recognized currency to be a real country... a country with safe guards for investors to see that everyone in the world feels safe about investing in Iraq
[Proteus] and this internationall recognized thing... that is what really needs to happen, and that will not happen until they are out of sanctions... as I see it
[Proteus] so i guess... that still is a double sided sword... yes they need out of sanctions to get internationally recognized... but do they need to change their rate to be internationally recognized... NO
[Proteus] but they have been stockpiling Reserves... as they have more reserves 58 to 60 billion now... more than they have ever had since 1921
[Proteus] and this is a good thing to illlustrate to the international community that they have enough back up funding to handle things, and not to worry about the investments of foreign companies... as investors are safe!
[Proteus] those are my thoughts on Randys chatter... that I did not listen too... but I hope i got to your question... and answered it
[Proteus] did I fart... the room is so quite
[TheRock] I will have to read the rest later,, I have to go now.. ty Proteus .. very very good... ty for your honestly and straight forward answers..
[Fast Eddie] so its yes they can rv under chapter 7 but rving doesn't get them out of 7
[BondLady] ty rock
[SMOOTH] Proteus yer doing great
[Proteus] thanks all
[grashopa] [lightingcslt] question for proteus do yo feel art 140 hcl and security ministers will be all done in one failed swoop
[BondLady] wait
[BondLady] proteus can u give fast eddie a yes or no plz
[BondLady] to finish his question plz
[Proteus] yes eddies, they can change their rate under chaptor 7, but changing their rate does not guarantee them out of chaptor 7
[Fast Eddie] Proteus TY Sir
[BondLady] ty
[BondLady] next
[grashopa] [lightingcslt] question for proteus do yo feel art 140 hcl and security ministers will be all done in one failed swoop
[bubbies] so chapert7 never was or never has been an issue for an rv !
[Proteus] i am not sure on this one
[Proteus] this is a rather hard question to make a statement on
[BondLady] i can help a little on that 1 also
[Proteus] YES, They could all be done in one fair swoop... BUT
[Proteus] NO they will probably not be done that easily
[Proteus] the kurds want theior share of the oil money, and the article 140 people want their properties and land back, and the ministers... well that is probably the easiest part of the equation to happen...
[Proteus] they can be just presented and approved
[Proteus] the other 2 items need interventioona nd negoiation for the final drafts to be approved
[Proteus] I'd like to hear Bond ladys 2 cents onthis one as my fingers COOL DOWN...
[Proteus] heheheh
[BondLady] article 140 was agreed upon and passed into law back in i think april of this year and they have emplemented a lot of it but they dont like it as it makes them give up some of the land saddam stole and they are working on the ministers whether or not they set them in this governments time is any ones guess but they are really workin on them tho this time so imo it all could go down at once but thats my opinon tho both are part of the erbril agreements which maliki did proomise the kurds he would do if they gave him the vote for pm back in the elections
[BondLady] i do still have the art 140 article where it was agreed up never to be changed
[BondLady] its just they have a hard time letting go of the land after its been theres for a while
[BondLady] an they have to pay money to move these people
[BondLady] buy there farms an move them
[BondLady] they dont like to let go of the dolla
[Proteus] I think that it will be hard to the 3 things to all happen in 1 fair swoop, bingo bango bongo.... done!
[BondLady] er dinar
[Proteus] yup exactly...
[BondLady] an articles have also shown latly
[BondLady] see how allawis tryin to kiss up to maliki lately
[Proteus] i guess it could be done... will the GOI give in and let it be done... thats another question
[BondLady] sayin im ready to reconcile if u are
[BondLady] lets kiss an make up
[BondLady] just admit yada yada yada
[BondLady] an maliki comes back an says
[rileyjones] BondLady Does Maliki have to give up 2/3 of his power?
[BondLady] there nothin to reconcile
[BondLady] what allawi didnt understand is i didnt take it personal he did
[BondLady] so he says nothin to reconcile about
[Proteus] yuo thats the truth
[BondLady] then allawi comes bk an says
[BondLady] i dont want a postion any more
[BondLady] just empliment the rest of erbril agreements
[BondLady] so then now this week or next they name the presidency of the iraqi list
[BondLady] we know that should or will be allawi
[BondLady] hes suckin up as maliki said to get close to the government
[BondLady] after he stalled and slow played for a yr
[BondLady] got every 1 and there dog hacked off at every one
[BondLady] hes ready to play now
[BondLady] he was never gonna get supreme council
[BondLady] and have power over every one
[BondLady] all he saw was i have power over every decision maliki makes
[BondLady] non of the blocks wanna give up any of there power just so allawi can have a title
[BondLady] and it was unconstitutional anyways
[Proteus] yup
[BondLady] if allawi had done his home work in the beginnin an knew what the constition said like maliki did since he helped write it
[BondLady] if hed done his home work we be sittin in tall cotton right now
[BondLady] ok im thru
[BondLady] hit it proteus
[BondLady] sorry all
[BondLady] did that all answer your question lighters
[Proteus] I love it... I like Bondladys comments
[BondLady] tyvm
[Proteus] sweet and to the point
[BondLady] ill butt in again in a bit
[Proteus] I agree wholeheartedly
[BondLady] tyvm
[Antar7] you hit already bl
[BondLady] next question plz gh
[grashopa] [RickeyT] from what I have read, we could be sitting here next Christmas going "are we any closer?"
[Proteus] here is my thoughts
[Proteus] once the steps I outlined eariler happen, then the longest part of the happening is the education program, and the intorduction of the new looing notes with 3 languages on them
[Proteus] i think that things will get good and going in the 1st quarter of 2012 and the situation will be drawn out for many another year, doing education, conversions, and harvesting the big notes
[Proteus] these people still walk hunderds of miles to go to church
[Proteus] nothing is going to happen instantly &nb sp; [grashopa] and from our local comedian....[SMOOTH] Is it true it takes 3- licks to get to the center of a blow pop ?
[lightingcslt] Proteus sorry to interupt ty you have answer my question
[Proteus] Paul bremmer when the situation happend in 2003 and 2004... when the curreency was devalued he gave the citizens i think it was 6 months if I remember
[Proteus] to change in their notes for the new ones... and there was still people that did not get it dome in time
[BondLady] 3 months
[Proteus] so the CBI said that this would not happen over nite, and that the value of the notes would not be lessened... the VALUE would remain....
[BondLady] oct 15th to jan 15th
[Proteus] so I see this starting this year and going into next year prior to a climax
[BondLady] i have that link too
[RickeyT] Proteus so you are saying the summer of 2013 at the earliest?
[Proteus] 90 days... Ok ya... perfect... thanks for the correction... I am humbled...
[BondLady] i dont think thats what hes sayin
[Fast Eddie] Proteus sorry to interuped but you can't hand out smaller notes with out the RV having taken place the Iraqi's will not give up the large notes if the small one don't get them anything
[BondLady] u arent sayin u think it wont happen till 2013 are u pro?
[Proteus] no... I did not say it would start in a year....
[Proteus] I said i think it will start in the 1st quarter of 2011... and last for a year or son the the conversion... prior to completing the process of complete change in the monetary system
[Proteus] did that answer the question... about when..?
[grashopa] 1 more
[BondLady] ok did that ans the last question ?
[grashopa] [bubbies] if it'going to takev 3 months or longer what will inflation be at that time 10% 20% 30%? shabibi will not wait !
[BondLady] 1 last question proteus and then we will let u tell us about ur cc tomorrow nite and your forum
[Proteus] inflation now is less than 7 percent... actually i think they say 6.9%
[Proteus] and if it were to rise into the double digits then shabibi might get a little antsy.... [bubbies] Proteus ty !
[Proteus] but I think the rate of inflation is kinda stable and for the next few month we'll probably see it slightly drop even more... unless the marketteers get greedy and bump up prices for the end of the year!
[Proteus] ok... last question...
[BondLady] plus
[BondLady] the imports of all the building supplies every thing imaginable to build is almost 99% imported
[BondLady] the imports is whats causeing there inflation so bad
[BondLady] theve adjusted about all they can with out raising interest rates
[BondLady] food clothes an building supplies an electricity is our friends causeing higher inflation its not there friend tho &nb sp; [Proteus] the inflation rate has to do with the cost of goods, either at the market, or at the border.... bu the TAXES and TARRIFS law is going to affect this
[BondLady] did that ans your question bubbies
[Proteus] but I think things are good for the moment
[bubbies] BondLady BondLady yep inflation is our friend !
[BondLady] yep
[Proteus] bubbles... are ya good, did i answer your question???
[Proteus] ok... well
[bubbies] Proteus yes ty like i said inflation is our friend ty ty !
[BondLady] ok proteus that was a great Q&A u was gracious enough to do for us now could u please tell us a little about yourself the cc tomorrow night and your site revalue.us please
[SMOOTH] Proteus TY
[.PastorDoug] Proteus Thank you
[bubbies] Proteus ty !
[Proteus] tomorrow nite we are gong to have another CC and this time there will be no sponsors(that pay our bills), so we can have some real fun...
[Cutter1] Proteus ty!
[Proteus] we willhave more 50 dinar NOTE give-aways
[Proteus] and we will have double and triple note rewards for correctly answered questions to the listeners
[Antar7] Proteus Thanks
[Antar7] BondLady Thanks
[Proteus] and we'll have PATRIOT there with us... he has not been on a CC for about 14 weeks or so he told me
[BondLady] yqw
[Proteus] it should be a great show
[Proteus] and as usual anyone that would like to participate in the DINAR GIVE-AWAYS... well you need to download the Community Hub from our ReValue website as it is our winner notification system
[Proteus] I put a link to it in the OTHER Conference Calls channnel here on BondyLadys website...
[.PastorDoug] Proteus is the chat tomorrow night a telephone chat or is it though your hub.
[Proteus] and we'll discuss some artiles and tell about future events and happenings
[Proteus] aYES, Pastor... it is
[.PastorDoug] ok TY
[Proteus] 760-569-7676
[.PastorDoug] what time is the chat
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GURU POPPY 13 DEC

12-13-2011 Guru Poppy3 i still stand on the rv anytime now and should fall by thursday at the latest according to information. I still say if they don't do it by then the next date of any significants towards announcing a rv is jan 1. It is my understanding at this time that they announced yesterday that their budget is complete and will be activated on jan 1 and i can't see how they can activate it without showing the new value of the currency. 

STRIPERFISH POST 13 DEC

All,

I was thinking about something.... Remember when Shabib was in the US back in the spring. He was interviewed by "Bluestar" from Frank's site. 

Here is an excerpt: 

"John says face to face afterward he spoke alone for a few min and he asked Shabibi what do you believe is the factor if the revaluation and will it occur sooner or later…
would it be the forming of the GOI or something else ??– Shabibi said NO we do not need a GOI – and 5 factors and the chief among them is inflation factor –
Shabibi also said their RE development and their commerce …..which again is tied into inflation

Five Factors Shabibi spoke of:

1.Sanctions

2.Depreciate currency – potential problem with inflation

3.Unemployment

4.A weak infrastructure – linked with development

5. Security which is out of his hands

Read More Link on Right


_Frank states by revaluing their currency
would cause:


1.Sanctions to be complete – no more banana peels and Chapter 7

2.The currency would be of higher value – worth more

3.Jobs added – people working – unemployment will be wiped out

4.People will now be investing in building and all are working with a strong currency

5.Security problems are gone as they won’t need to fight with each other

Inflation is a big driver and John sensed a lot more going on here…."


Several weeks ago we had the US Govt. tell US oil companies to stay out of Iraq until the oil law is complete. Today we see an article stating - Government in Baghdad: 22 U.S. company decides to enter the Iraqi market.LINK

The US troops are almost completely out of Iraq. Based on the current economic conditions security will most assuredly worsen within Iraq. The GOI is now on the hook to improve security, public sentiment, and economic conditions. How can improvement in these 3 areas be accomplished?????? RV....... 

When people are employed, their buying power increases and overall infrastructure conditions improve, history teaches us that public sentiment and security conditions will also improve.... People are less likely to blow themselves up when conditions are good.....

Shabibi has said that the Iraqi economy will begin when the troops are gone..... Hang in there gang.... We are on the precipice .....


As for the extra Merry... I am expecting it to be...but can't confirm at this point.... If not...it will be VERY...VERY soon after....

Striperfish

BEAR POST TONIGHT 13 DEC


BEAR5642: HEAR READ MY LIPS IM NOT GETTING ON THIS CALL I WAS INVITED AND I TURNED IT DOWN FOR MY OWN PERSONAL REASONS.


BEAR5642: \I JUST GOT THE TEXT WHOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO


BEAR5642: GET READY GET READY GET RAEDY


BEAR5642: I WAS BUSY GETTINGT THE LATEST AND THE GREATEST


BEAR5642: WE ARE THERE MY FAMILY AND WE WILL SEE THIS VERY SOON PLEASE BE PATIENT


BEAR5642: I CANNOT BURN THIS SOURCE AND I WILL NOT IM TOTALLY SORRY BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND


BEAR5642: PRAISE THE GOOD LORD HALELUJAH


BEAR5642: \ALL IS WELL WE ARE OKKING GREAT


BEAR5642: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO SHARE AND KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE SCREENS IN THE NEXT 48 HOIURS


BEAR5642: WHAT A WEEK


BEAR5642: YES THIS WEEK


BEAR5642: I WOULDNT SAY IT IF I DIDNT BELIEVE IT


BEAR5642: OK I GOTTA MAKE SOME IMPORTANT PHONE CALLS GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP AND MAY HE CAUSE HIS FACE TO SHINE UPON.


BEAR5642: SHAME ON ANYONE THAT EVEN THOUGHT I WOULD BETRAY THIS SITE




BEAR5642: OK I JUST SPOKE WITH OKIE AND ALL IS GRTEAT KEEP THE FAITH AND GET READY FAMILY I HAVE TO GO AND MAKE SOME MORE CALLS HAVE A GREAT NIGHT



BEAR5642: OKIE IS FINE AND DOING WELL

DINAR GURUS 13 DEC


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12-13-2011 Guru Poppy3 i still stand on the rv anytime now and should fall by thursday at the latest according to information. I still say if they don’t do it by then the next date of any significants towards announcing a rv is jan 1. It is my understanding at this time that they announced yesterday that their budget is complete and will be activated on jan 1 and i can’t see how they can activate it without showing the new value of the currency.
12-13-2011 Guru Mailman17 I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHATS GOING DOWN. LITTLE BY LITTLE…THEIR HAND IS FINALLY BEING SHOWN. THE WORD SOVEREIGN USED REPEATEDLY. MALIKIS AND OBAMAS PRESS STATEMENT WAS PRETTY BORING TO THE AVERAGE JOE BUT ITS WHAT WORDS WERE USED IN IT THAT GAVE US VERY GOOD INSIGHT. LETS FACE IT…RV WASNT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION BUT EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO IT WAS, JUST GOTTA ADD IT UP. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THERES A TON OF CRAP DONE ALREADY THAT JUST HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR VIEW, BUT REMEMBER…IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY, THEY CANT RELEASE ALL THE GOOD STUFF WITHOUT ACTUALLY RVING…TICK TOCK
12-13-2011 Guru Med ONE MAJOR PLUS ALSO HAPPENED TODAY THAT FOR THE LONGEST TIME WAS APPREHENSION ON THE PART OF US COMPANIES. 22 US COMPANIES ARE GOING INTO IRAQ. THIS WAS GREAT NEWS. THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF INFO THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN OUT THAT HAS CHANGED THEIR MINDS. WE ALSO THINK THAT THERE WAS A DEAL BROKERED WHEN BIDEN AND HILLARY WENT TO IRAQ. WE ALSO SEE THAT WE ARE SELLING IRAQ ANOTHER GROUP OF F16′S. THIS ALSO IS NEWS. ONE ISSUE THAT I AM STILL MIFFED ON IS WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY WAITING FOR THE VOTE, BUT IN THE ARTICLES OUT TODAY BY THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OF PARLIAMENT THE RV IS NOW IRREVERSIBLE, SEEMS LIKE A FINITE STATEMENT WHEN THERE IS NOT A VOTE YET OR WAS THERE?
12-12-2011 Guru BGG The only things left on the Erbil – really in question is the “power sharing” stuff….NCSP and the division of power between the NCSP, PM and Pres of Republic. That’s it – the rest is pretty much done with…If those knukleheads implemented the Erbil today (or at least some “iron clad” guarantee of it) we would see an RV tomorrow. End of story.
12-13-2011 Guru Bear5642 HONESTLY I DONT THINK ANYONE WILL AHVE ANY INFORMATION BECAUSE IT IS DONE…SILENCE IS AWESOME FOR NOW…REMEMBER WHEN THEY SAY THINGS LIKE IRAQ WILL BE A STRONGER ECONOMIC THAN CHINA IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING “RV”

12-13-2011 Guru BWM There really is nothing more to say in regards to intel… I think the general concensus is that everything that NEEDED to be done is done… At this point I believe we’re down to political negotiations sadly… Those that tell you this is all part of the plan and this is the date they’ve planned on all along don’t realize all the complications and planning that has gone into this process… We are there and just waiting for the end to this ride…between now and thursday is where I’m looking for things at this time.. and we’ll go from there…again, don’t expect to hear some big announcement for the RV.
12-13-2011 Guru Doc [new guru] the news…is finally in print. It is time to totally ignore any speculation….the Minister of Finance indicated the date and rate! The rate was clear – 1 dinar to $1. The statement was the dinar will be equal to the dollar. Anyone who continues to support $3+ theory is just WRONG and/or lying. As for date…The statement by the Minister was the beginning of 2012. We…believe this will be very early in January possibly the 5th but again we are speculating here. Many are…saying the 15th of this month or no later than Christmas. Again the facts do not support this…we are converging on very early January 2012. Again any timeline before this is just WRONG! Iraq…wants to be released from chapter 7 and we believe is using the RV and oil deals to get release…it is coming just a little slowly. January is not that far away.
12-13-2011 Guru Bulldog75 EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER, AS GOOD AS IT GETS WITH THE PROCEDURAL UNITED NATIONS PROTOCOL…ACTIVATION IS REQUIRED AS PART OF CH 7 RELEASE. RATES SHOULD DROP ANY HOUR, ANY DAY, IN OUR HUMBLE OPINION. WHAT’S EXTRA GOOD IS THAT THERE IS NOTHING NEGATIVE STANDING IN THE WAY. WE SIMPLY STILL WAIT.
12-13-2011 Guru Freeway Bill Everything is fine, ready to go and we are just waiting for the magic moment and regadless of what RK [Randy Koonce] says, we are not waiting on anything other than the activationwhich is scheduled and will go off.

FREEWAY BILL: MISINFORMATION!! 13 DEC


There is a wealth of misinformation out there right now. We have people calling it to hold off until 2012. We have people saying that if it does not happen today or tomorrow, we are finished until January. We have key players in a battle over little things and we have things being said that are just not true period.
If you are on this ride and paying attention and the speech told you nothing else except for the fact that these meetings in Washington with Maliki was not about was NOT about anything except figuring out where Iraq is going and how they are going to get there AND what is going to be done for the World so that they will get the support they need to accomplish what they need …. well you were listening to a different speech than I was.
Strong intel came in yesterday afternoon that leads us to believe that a lot of what you have heard in the past week has been smoke to lead you to believe that this RV is not going to happen for some time. FALSE! Even the simplest explanation will tell you that’
 1. We CANNOT have the currency screens showing ZERO. It just cost too much. Tens of billions of dollars is being lost while this is the case. 2. This “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today” situation that Iraq is in cannot work any longer. People have to be paid. 3. Maliki is under extreme pressure to get this done by the WORLD! 4. Money is coming out of publicly held bank accounts that is more than there reported balances. 5. In order for Iraq to do the things that they are doing now, they have to RV and do it soon. 6. Obama says that he does not want to interfere in another countries affairs. What? He has been doing just that for three years and isn’t going to change his ways at this point. His influence could make this baby pop out anytime he would use it for that reason.
Everyone is ready for this RV to happen and Everyone is going to benefit from it. But mainly, the people of Iraq! Why would you hold off something that was going to literally stabilize the economic situation worldwide over a little tiff between two men in one country? This is, in my opinion, all smoke.
The HCL is all done and filed. The Chapter 7 is ready to be lifted once the RV is done. So, what are we waiting for? We are simply waiting for Maliki to announce the GOI and then Shabibi will RV the IQD and off we go into the wild blue yonder. Simple as that…
Don’t get caught up in 100 different viewpoints and do not Take my word for all of this …. do your own due diligence and tell me where I am missing something. I welcome it. I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING, SO I would be glad to hear what of what I have stated is incorrect, but it cannot be because so and so said so. Let’s really work together and figure this out together….. I will not be the one to call the RV. If Shabibi called me personally and told me it was going to happen, I would hand it off to the people that know more than me to confirm that it was indeed taking place and let them call it or debunk it. That is just how we need to roll right now.
Peace be with all of us these last days and May GOD get the GLORY! PRAY! For many things, but the main thing is pure clarity of where we are in your heart and mind regarding this RV situation.
GOD BLESS THE USA

Q&A WITH JIMBO POST 13 DEC

BNM: Jimbo when
wrote the Business Trust document that you use?


Jimbo: A TOP ATTY THAT WE FORMERLY HIRED TO BE ON OUR
STAFF. WE THREW EVERYTHING ON THIS TOPIC WE COULD FINE & THIS DOC. WAS THE
END PRODUCT. HE HAS SINCE RETIRED BUT I
WOULD NOT CHANGE ONE WORD


vickyvtx: Jimbo - planning on contacting Nevada for a
LLC, when the RV takes place - cannot afford the cost right now - What can I do
with out money now


imbo: VICKYVTX...BEST TO WAIT & CASH IN A CPL IQD
NOTES. THEN SET UP BUS. TRUST


woodron1: What are the advantage of a Business Trust?


Jimbo: WOODRON1...ADVANTAGES TOO NUMEROUS TO COVER HERE.


12345mom: my son gifted me 15-250000 dinar i have a copy
of his buying paper do i need more then this


Jimbo: SEND U'R EMAIL TO ME JIM@JIMJENKINSMUSIC.COM &
I'LL SEND FREE BUS. TRUST INFO.


rcsugar: Keerthi: Is the taxable event when the dinar
revalue or when we cash them in?


Jimbo: WHEN U CASH IN


BNM: Jimbo I understand that you are confident that the
business trust document that you use is superior to other LLC type docs...can
you summarize? I want to believe that you are correct because of Okie but my
logical side says "show me"


Jimbo: BIGGEST ADVANTAGE IS PROB. THAT U CAN BE THE
TRUSTEE, AND IN TOTAL CONTROL, NOT SOMEONE ELSE, LIKE AN ATTY OR BANK


mark64: So with all the very knowledgable people here can
any one tell us who is the man that says ok RV,I dont mean UST oR CBI ext I
mean the person ??? this is not the first time someone has ajusted currency, I
know this is much bigger than the past


Jimbo: AN LLC OR CORP. IS A CREATURE OF THE STATE,
WHEREAS THE BUS. TRUST IS A PVT CONTRACT, GUARANTEED TO US ALL UNDER ARTICLE 1
SEC. 10 OF THE CONSTITUTION. NO GOV. CAN
PASS ANY LAW TO IMPINGE UPON IT


Jimbo: THIS IS A SUPREME CT RULING, NO MY MERE WORDS


woodron1: Jimbo, I predict you are going to be very busy
after the RV!


Jimbo: THAT'S QUITE OK. 
I HAVE LOTS OF HELP LINED UP


jansman: I have heard that anything you own or control
can be taken from you, is this not true?


Jimbo: JANSMAN...NOT IF U DON'T OWN IT.


Jimbo: CONTROL V. OWNERSHIP IS THE KEY TO WEALTH, RIGHT
PPL?


top_gun: Jim: Is there anything that would be specific to
Texas that would cause problems with a Business Trust?


Jimbo: NO GOV., EVEN TX, CAN PASS ANY LAW TO INFRINGE
UPON OUR RIGHT AS CITIZENS TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS, WHICH IS WHAT THE CONTRACT
BUS. TRUST IS ALL ABOUT. THINK ON IT.


woodron1: Jimbo, does it matter what state we live inwhen
we get a Bus Trsust?


Jimbo: ONLY U AND U'R SPOUSE (IF ANY) WILL BE ACTING AS
CO-TRUSTEES & HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL


plumber: Jimbo, I rec'd your email with all the Bus.
Trust info this afternoon, Thank you. Not to be insulting at all but what are
your credentials in the financial arena. I like the sound of the Bus.
Trust BUT worried. I don't want to
mishandle this Blessing.


Jimbo: I'VE MADE THIS FIELD OF STUDY MY SPECIALTY FOR
NEARLY 30 YRS. THAT'S ALL.


Jimbo: EDUCATED MANY ATTY'S & CPA'S AS WELL AS
BANKERS.


Jimbo: I SIMPLY SAY THIS: DON'T BELIEVE ME...DO U'R OWN
STUDY & RESEARCH, THEN DECIDE. DO U
WANT SOMEONE ELSE BETWEEN U & U'R MONEY? 
iF NOT, BE U'R OWN TRUSTEE USING A CONTRACT BUS. TRUST


woodron1: Will the Bus Trust owe taxes?


Jimbo: OF COURSE THE BUS. TRUST WILL OWE TAXES...IN
FACT...THE SAME CAP. GAINS AS IF WE CASHED IN VIA OUR OWN NAMES. BUT AFTER THAT,THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL TAX
ADVANTAGES, ESP. IN ESTATE TAXES.


Jimbo: READ THE INFO I'LL SEND.


tarheel1: jimbo how can i get that info tks


Jimbo: JIM@JIMJENKINSMUSIC.COM


plumber: Jimbo does the business trust own property cars
house real estate? Do you pay yourself a salary


Jimbo: A BUS. TRUST CAN OWN ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT PROB.
NOT WISE TO DO SO, 'CUZ IT WILL EXPOSE IT'S VERY EXISTENCE. BEST TO USE LLC'S AFTER THE RV. LOAN MONEY TO 'EM ON LONG TERM RENEWABLE
NOTES.


ReadyToBegin: Jimbo... what if we cash in and then setup
the trust and move the money there?


Jimbo: READY TOBEGIN...U CAN DO THAT IF U MUST


Fish For Breakfast: Jimbo.. Any advantage for a Business
Trust to own an LLC.. Would this add a layer of protection..Thanks for your
thoughts on this..


Jimbo: NO NEED FOR MULTIPLE LAYERS...A BUS. TRUST IS MORE
THAN SUFFICIENT.


Jimbo: PPL...OKIE WAS PROB. A TOUGH COOKIE TO SELL ON MY
BUS. TRUST. WHEN HE SAW THE MANY
ADVANTAGES, HE LIT UP LIKE A LIGHT BULB.


Jimbo: DID BULLDOG'S TODAY


Jimbo: AGAIN, DON'T MERELY TAKE MY WORD FOR
ANYTHING. AFTER ALL, I'M NOT AN ATTY NOR
A CPA. JUST KNOW THIS AREA OF LAW
BACKWARDS & FORWARDS.


WWWinewitch: We just had an informative session with
Jimbo on Business Trusts


Jimbo: WITZEND...TKS 4 U'R KIND WORDS.


tarheel1: jimbo sent email


Jimbo: TARHEEL1...TKS...WILL TEND TO SHORTLY


Jimbo: MAY BE DOING CONF. CALL SOON. WILL LET U ALL KNOW.